Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 10100918; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 03:00:40 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #236 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 03:00:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_SBL autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #236 1. Re: molotov by Steven Hood 2. Re: DMX question by "Nigel Worsley" 3. Re: molotov by Bill Sapsis 4. Re: "at LEAST an ATF permit" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 5. Re: molotov by Stuart Wheaton 6. Re: molotov by "Jon Ares" 7. Re: Broadband over waterpipes by Loren Schreiber 8. Re: molotov by Mark O'Brien 9. Barnum tightrope by "LES LIND" 10. Re: another plexi floor ? by " joe" 11. Re: another plexi floor ? by "Michael S. Eddy" 12. Re: another plexi floor ? by "Michael S. Eddy" 13. Re: another plexi floor ? by Dale Farmer 14. Re: Broadband over waterpipes by Dale Farmer 15. Re: molotov by Adam Fitchett 16. Re: molotov by "Jason" 17. Re: another plexi floor ? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: another plexi floor ? by Greg Bierly 19. Re: molotov by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 20. Re: "at LEAST an ATF permit" by CB 21. Re: "at LEAST an ATF permit" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 22. Re: molotov by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 23. Re: DMX question by CB 24. Re: Diesel (was molotov) by Greg Persinger 25. Re: DMX question by Bruce Purdy 26. Re: molotov by "Tony" 27. Re: "at LEAST an ATF permit" by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 28. Re: DMX question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 29. Re: "at LEAST an ATF permit" by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 30. Re: Diesel (was molotov) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. Re: "at LEAST an ATF permit" by Jerry Durand 32. Dr Dooms dad (Was At least an ATF Permit) by Mike Katz 33. Re: DMX question by Bruce Purdy 34. Re: DMX question by Greg Bierly 35. Re: ATF permits by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 36. Re: Molotov by Fred Fisher 37. Re: Dr Dooms dad (Was At least an ATF Permit) by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 38. Re: Molotov by MissWisc [at] aol.com 39. Re: Molotov by Fred Fisher 40. Re: Diesel (was molotov) by Greg Persinger 41. Re: Molotov by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 42. Re: Broadband over waterpipes by Mark O'Brien 43. Re: molotov by Mark O'Brien 44. Re: molotov by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 45. Re: molotov by Mark O'Brien 46. Re: DMX question by Greg Persinger 47. Re: Molotov by Fred Fisher 48. Re: Molotov by Charlie Richmond 49. Re: Molotov by Greg Persinger 50. Re: Molotov by "Mike Rock" 51. Re: Molotov by Fred Fisher 52. Position: Adjunct &/or shop supervisor, Pace NYC by Scott Parker 53. Re: Molotov by "Mike Rock" 54. Re: DMX question by "will kent" 55. Re: DMX question by Greg Bierly 56. Re: DMX question by Greg Persinger 57. Re: DMX512 Question by Mitch Hefter 58. Snow Machines by "Brandon Slokowski" 59. Re: DMX512 Question by Greg Persinger *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20041222134549.83037.qmail [at] web20826.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:45:49 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Hood Subject: Re: molotov In-Reply-To: Frank, if you're going to do molotov cocktails, most chefs will tell you to save your whisky and use Bacardi 151. Much better effect with that... Works well on fruit salad, too ;) Wouldn't drink the stuff straight. mind you... Cheers, Steven Hood TD/Shop Fore/PM Regent Uni __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <085701c4e82c$bf64b5f0$0c00a8c0 [at] Nigellaptop> From: "Nigel Worsley" References: Subject: Re: DMX question Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:47:14 -0000 Bruce Purdy bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com wrote > I have a question that I'm hoping someone more DMX knowledgeable than I > might answer. > > When I installed our new (used) Dimming system, I installed an XLR-5 > connector on the cabinet, and runs of control cable to the projection / spot > booth and to FOH. I currently plug in whichever cable I need. > > I'm wondering whether they could both be hard wired into the cabinet or > would the unused cable run cause "Termination" problems. The DMX signals know nothing about whether a particular cable run is used or not, as long as the end is terminated. The signal will come from the desk, loop through the UNTERMINATED dimmer rack, and carry on through the other cable and reach the terminator at the end. This is no different from looping through any other DMX receiver. Whenever the desk is unplugged then plug in a terminator, so it will already be in place if you use the other cable next time. > I know that the downstream end of a DMX run needs to be terminated - > what about the Upstream end? Both ends ought to be terminated, but in the usual case of the transmitter being at one end of the link ( it doesn't have to be! ) it isn't essential. Note that in systems using RDM ( Remote Device Management ) that the controller ( ie. lighting board ) isn't always the transmitter, and therefore the link always has to be terminated at both ends. The standard requires the controller to provide this permanently, so it does have to be at one end of the link. Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:06:18 -0500 Subject: Re: molotov From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: on 12/22/04 8:45 AM, Steven Hood at hoodnik77 [at] yahoo.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Frank, if you're going to do molotov cocktails, most > chefs will tell you to save your whisky and use > Bacardi 151. Much better effect with that... > Works well on fruit salad, too ;) Wouldn't drink the > stuff straight. mind you... > Cheers, > Steven Hood > TD/Shop Fore/PM > Regent Uni > Uh, why not? I seem to remember that the only admonition was to not be smoking (cigarettes or otherwise) when drinking the stuff. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "at LEAST an ATF permit" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:32:29 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c4e79c$55c2ca00$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Lots of > peat, dried > organic matter and fertilizer in potting soil makes it rather > flammable. Well, I think they should be required to swallow the things, but almost all you'd find in my flower pots is coffee grounds. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41C98CB3.5070107 [at] fuse.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:03:15 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: molotov References: In-Reply-To: Steven Hood wrote: > save your whisky and use > Bacardi 151. Much better effect with that... A friend of mine lives down in the Caribbean Islands. After one of the hurricanes a few years ago, they discovered that a gallon of 151 was considerably cheaper than the same amount of coleman stove fuel and it worked just as well. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000d01c4e838$6668e6e0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: molotov Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:10:40 -0800 > A friend of mine lives down in the Caribbean Islands. After one of the > hurricanes a few years ago, they discovered that a gallon of 151 was > considerably cheaper than the same amount of coleman stove fuel and it > worked just as well. Speaking of alternate fuel sources... I remember 'back in the day' (I won't say "when I was in high school") a friend used to carry a bottle of Everclear in his car and we used it (primarily*) for wet driftwood fuel for bonfires on the coast, and occasionally as carburetor cleaner. Do they still make Everclear? I've never gone to a liquor store and asked... is it a "back room" stuff? Or banned by Grand Poo-Bah Ashcroft? Inquiring minds..... -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20041222070735.034ab4f0 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:11:25 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Broadband over waterpipes In-Reply-To: References: That would be cool. The way I get spammed these days, my e-mail is circling the drain as it is. >(broadband over cable and telephone lines apparently isn't enough, I'm >waiting for broadband over water pipes). Loren Schreiber, Technical Director San Diego State University School of Theatre, Television and Film ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <6197959C-542D-11D9-9392-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: molotov Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:23:07 -0700 In the late 70's I drove my Triumph Spitfire on 140 proof corn liquor that we made ourselves, rather than wait in line for gasoline that cost OVER A BUCK! Of course we tried to drink it also, but it was a little too nasty for that. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Dec 22, 2004, at 8:03 AM, Stuart Wheaton wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Steven Hood wrote: >> save your whisky and use >> Bacardi 151. Much better effect with that... > > > A friend of mine lives down in the Caribbean Islands. After one of > the hurricanes a few years ago, they discovered that a gallon of 151 > was considerably cheaper than the same amount of coleman stove fuel > and it worked just as well. > ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:48:31 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Barnum tightrope Thank you to all who responded to my inquiry. Sorry, I have a tendency to forget to send a follow up response. To all who celebrate Jesus birth, Blessed Christmas otherwise Happy Holidays Les Lind, TD NHS Dramatics Northeastern High School Manchester, PA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:22:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200412221122.AA418513416 [at] paonline.com> From: " joe" Reply-To: Subject: Re: another plexi floor ? Just a thought here... there are vinyl and plastic carpet covers for various uses (office chairs, runners for high traffic areas, etc.) Perhaps one of these materials could be used for a final covering, and provide a finish that is matt, but relatively easy to clean (or replace). Joe Dunfee ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Cc: joe [at] dunfee.com Subject: RE: another plexi floor ? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:30:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: >Just a thought here... there are vinyl and plastic carpet covers for >various uses (office chairs, runners for high traffic areas, etc.) >Perhaps one of these materials could be used for a final covering, and >provide a finish that is matt, but relatively easy to clean (or replace). What if you covered the Plexi with carpet? That would keep the scratches down to a minimum. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Michael Eddy (with tongue planted firmly into cheek!) ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: another plexi floor ? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:41:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: When dealing with Plexiglas there are a couple of things to keep in mind. If you want to do a Ultra Violet or Black Light effect through Plexi, remember that almost all Plexi and Lexan will inherently block UV. There is one Plexi, "Plexiglas G" (AFAIK) that will pass UV, but it is very brittle and cracks easily. This came up on Will Rogers Follies on Broadway, where Jules Fisher wanted a groundrow uplight in the deck and one circuit was to be UV. It took a lot of testing and research to figure out why we were not getting any light out of the UV circuit. Tony Walton had the answer about Plexi G, but mentioned that he used it for a floor once and the legs on the shows piano kept shattering the Plexi, it was apparently too brittle. Michael Eddy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41C9A4D7.D74A56D0 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:46:15 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: another plexi floor ? References: "Michael S. Eddy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >Just a thought here... there are vinyl and plastic carpet covers for > >various uses (office chairs, runners for high traffic areas, etc.) > > >Perhaps one of these materials could be used for a final covering, and > >provide a finish that is matt, but relatively easy to clean (or replace). > > What if you covered the Plexi with carpet? That would keep the scratches > down to a minimum. > > Sorry, I couldn't resist. > > Michael Eddy (with tongue planted firmly into cheek!) Well, you could use some sort of floor wax type product. It will end up frosting the finish and give you a smooth top finish. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41C9A5EF.99CC2B79 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:50:56 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Broadband over waterpipes References:

Loren Schreiber wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > That would be cool. The way I get spammed these days, my e-mail is circling > the drain as it is. > > >(broadband over cable and telephone lines apparently isn't enough, I'm > >waiting for broadband over water pipes). > > Loren Schreiber, Technical Director > San Diego State University School of Theatre, Television and Film Datacomm over barbed wire does exist. Originally done as a hack by some folks I know, it has caught on in the rural market for getting remote monitoring of pumps and suchlike. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41C9ACB5.4080902 [at] fitchtech.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:19:49 -0800 From: Adam Fitchett Subject: Re: molotov References:

In-Reply-To: It all depends on the state. I know it is illegal in California and Michigan but legal in Indiana (like everything else). When I was in college in Michigan, any time some one went through Indiana their job was to make purchases for the others in the house. Of course, dumb us, we never tried to burn it, that would have been alcohol abuse. -Adam Jon Ares wrote: > Speaking of alternate fuel sources... I remember 'back in the day' (I > won't say "when I was in high school") a friend used to carry a bottle > of Everclear in his car and we used it (primarily*) for wet driftwood > fuel for bonfires on the coast, and occasionally as carburetor > cleaner. Do they still make Everclear? I've never gone to a liquor > store and asked... is it a "back room" stuff? Or banned by Grand > Poo-Bah Ashcroft? > > Inquiring minds..... > > -- Jon Ares > Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts > www.hevanet.com/acreative > www.wlhstheatre.org > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Jason" References:

Subject: Re: molotov Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:41:54 -0800 This should be good! maybe even better with out the water. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Instant Death Ingredients: 3 oz Bacardi 151 proof rum 3 oz Everclear 3 oz J�germeister 5 oz Water 1 dash Salt Mixing instructions: Put in all alcohol first and water last, then salt ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:55:26 EST Subject: Re: another plexi floor ? In a message dated 22/12/04 04:33:05 GMT Standard Time, jea00321 [at] yahoo.com writes: > I agree that if you have the frosted side of the plexi > up, and it has been frosted by sanding it, you will > probably have big problems with keeping it clean. You > might consider frosting the floor with spray on frost, > available at craft stores. It may get a little smeared > with traffic, but won't have the rough texture of a > sanded surface. You also might try Opal Plexi. This has the frosting built in, with smooth surfaces either side. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <027DA05F-5444-11D9-9D95-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: another plexi floor ? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:05:06 -0500 this defeats the purpose of the original poster wanting a matte finish. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:08:31 EST Subject: Re: molotov In a message dated 22/12/04 13:46:25 GMT Standard Time, hoodnik77 [at] yahoo.com writes: > Frank, if you're going to do molotov cocktails, most > chefs will tell you to save your whisky and use > Bacardi 151. Much better effect with that... > Works well on fruit salad, too ;) Wouldn't drink the > stuff straight. mind you... If I really wanted do do one, I should do it in France. My house there is in a big area for prunes. Every other year, in the season, we go to a farm. The farmer's wife stops the drying oven, and sells me a kilo of half-dried prunes. I hand her a litre bottle, and she brings it back full of a clear fluid. I rush home, put the prunes, still warm, in preserving jars with sugar, fill them up with this fluid, and store them for two years or more. The colourless fluid is a distillate from the plums. It is (just) potable, but heaven knows how strong it is. Cask strength whisky can be up to 120 proof, and I should think that it's fully that. A friend of mine has christened it "Rocket Fuel"! Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041222111635.018097d0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:16:35 From: CB Subject: Re: "at LEAST an ATF permit" >Our ATF inspector agrees that rules like >these are based on "you know what we mean" These types of 'rules' are ways that AHJ's get around basic human rights (at least as we see them over here, or should) and gets whatever they want. Welcome to the 'Patriot' act. Its laws like these that give tyrants power. I hate to say it, but it isn't going to be very long til they start telling us what we can and cannot do as a play for public consumption. They've already started editing the textbooks, art is always next on the list. Vague, "you know what we mean" laws about art will mean that they will be able to close any show and arrest any player for anything. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e5.31d0a8b3.2efb13cc [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:15:40 EST Subject: Re: "at LEAST an ATF permit" In a message dated 22/12/04 14:26:22 GMT Standard Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: > > Lots of > > peat, dried > > organic matter and fertilizer in potting soil makes it rather > > flammable. > > Well, I think they should be required to swallow the things, but almost > all you'd find in my flower pots is coffee grounds. Sulphur is a powerful fungicide. Combined with a solution of copper sulphate, it is extensive used in growing grapes, to prevent mould. Charcoal is extensively used for barbecues, and potassium nitrate in preserving meat (saltpetre). Put the three together, and there's your gunpowder. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <80.1d8ff136.2efb1509 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:20:57 EST Subject: Re: molotov In a message dated 22/12/04 15:26:49 GMT Standard Time,=20 marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: > In the late 70's I drove my Triumph Spitfire on 140 proof corn liquor=20 > that we made ourselves, rather than wait in line for gasoline that cost=20 > OVER A BUCK! My heart bleeds for you. I pay about =A30.89 for a litre of diesel. This is=20 more than $1. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041222112931.018097d0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:29:31 From: CB Subject: Re: DMX question >This would eliminate the need for having to plug and unplug at the dimmer, >just make sure you only have one console plugged in at anytime. Yahbut... if you're plugged into the booth, you still have an unterminated antenna running from the booth to the rack and out to FOH. The question was how to have a system that disconnects the extra cable, or incorporates it into one run entirely between the console and the rack. This would solve one issue from FOH, but it would be exactly as multiple cables plugged in at once, from the booth. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:38:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Diesel (was molotov) From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Frank, I paid US $2.25 last week for diesel. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:49:47 -0500 Subject: RE: DMX question From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Will Kent wrote: > Bruce My condolences go out to you - i know what its like to have an ENR > rack (3 of them actually). My school has them and they give me so much > grief. I think they might be replacing them in Febuary (a nice indirect > birthday gift to me :). No condolences needed. After years of working with 24 Analogue dimmers, I now have 96 DMX dimmers! They may not be the "Best brand out there", but I certainly can't complain about the change! An area school upgraded their system, and gave us their old ENR rack. After installing the rack, I re-purposed the analogue dimmers to replace the ancient and ailing resistance board that ran the house lights. With an A/D adapter, I can now run both the stage and the house lights from the same console, and it can be FOH or backstage if I wish. No longer restricted to the booth only! You may not be an ENR fan, but I've had no complaints with them so far, and am not about to look a gift horse in the mouth! 2004 has been a great year for lighting control improvements! Now all I need is a decent control board! Someday, an Express 48/96 would be nice, but even with the Teatronics board we are miles ahead of where we were a year ago! This 19th century Theatre has finally joined the 20th century - now that the rest of the world is in the 21st! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <16cf01c4e856$c2722af0$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Re: molotov Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:47:55 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: molotov For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 22/12/04 15:26:49 GMT Standard Time, marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: > In the late 70's I drove my Triumph Spitfire on 140 proof corn liquor > that we made ourselves, rather than wait in line for gasoline that cost > OVER A BUCK! My heart bleeds for you. I pay about �0.89 for a litre of diesel. This is more than $1. Frank Wood Er, Frank, don't forget that the left-ponders don't know what a litre of fuel is..... They use their US Galls.! Ynot ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1f4.38697ce.2efb1e1a [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:59:38 EST Subject: Re: "at LEAST an ATF permit" In a message dated 22/12/04 18:14:31 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > These types of 'rules' are ways that AHJ's get around basic human rights > (at least as we see them over here, or should) and gets whatever they want. > Welcome to the 'Patriot' act. Its laws like these that give tyrants > power. I hate to say it, but it isn't going to be very long til they start > telling us what we can and cannot do as a play for public consumption. Chris, we're ahead of you. A play, written by a Sikh, has been taken off in Birmingham because of the riots it occasioned, simply because of the topics treated. I haven't seen it, and I don't know whether it's good or bad. But the rioters were also Sikhs. The theatre pulled it on public safety grounds. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.31d55ae3.2efb1e82 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:01:22 EST Subject: Re: DMX question In a message dated 22/12/04 18:27:45 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Yahbut... if you're plugged into the booth, you still have an unterminated > antenna running from the booth to the rack and out to FOH. The question > was how to have a system that disconnects the extra cable, or incorporates > it into one run entirely between the console and the rack. Pull out the plug! Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: "at LEAST an ATF permit" Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:04:16 -0800 Message-ID: <00f901c4e859$09159800$8d90fea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: I have been keeping up with the Sikh theatre piece. Interesting. My family lived in India for four years or so, and the Sikhs were always helpful and watchful. My Dad who was six six and then a pith helment on top always seemed to meet them eye to eye and had excellent relations with them. Just a historic note. doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:00 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: "at LEAST an ATF permit" For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 22/12/04 18:14:31 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > These types of 'rules' are ways that AHJ's get around basic human rights > (at least as we see them over here, or should) and gets whatever they want. > Welcome to the 'Patriot' act. Its laws like these that give tyrants > power. I hate to say it, but it isn't going to be very long til they start > telling us what we can and cannot do as a play for public consumption. Chris, we're ahead of you. A play, written by a Sikh, has been taken off in Birmingham because of the riots it occasioned, simply because of the topics treated. I haven't seen it, and I don't know whether it's good or bad. But the rioters were also Sikhs. The theatre pulled it on public safety grounds. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <66.4d087669.2efb1fab [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:06:19 EST Subject: Re: Diesel (was molotov) In a message dated 22/12/04 18:40:05 GMT Standard Time, gregpersin [at] comcast.net writes: > I paid US $2.25 last week for diesel. For a US gallon, no doubt. I'm talking litres! Rather more than 4 to a gallon. I can't be bothered to convert US gallons to Imperial ones, but an Imperial gallon is 4.55 litres, and a US gallon is 4/5 of an Imperial one. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041222110826.0366d150 [at] localhost> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:10:57 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: "at LEAST an ATF permit" In-Reply-To: References: At 03:16 AM 12/22/2004, you wrote: >I hate to say it, but it isn't going to be very long til they start >telling us what we can and cannot do as a play for public consumption. >They've already started editing the textbooks, art is always next on the >list. Vague, "you know what we mean" laws about art will mean that they >will be able to close any show and arrest any player for anything. I saw on the news today that the rules the Transportation Safety Admin. (airport security) work under are considered secret. People are starting to complain about searches at airports and are surprised that even Congressmen aren't allowed to see the law authorizing the searches. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:15:20 -0500 From: Mike Katz Subject: Dr Dooms dad (Was At least an ATF Permit) Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net (Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson) I read this note from the fine doctor and deleted it, Then did a double take and un-deleted it. Randy is this a typo? Did you really tell us your Dad was 6'6". I had to take a short break to ponder that information (As it were) Mike Snip >I have been keeping up with the Sikh theatre piece. Interesting. My >family lived in India for four years or so, and the Sikhs were always >helpful and watchful. My Dad who was six six and then a pith helment on >top always seemed to meet them eye to eye and had excellent relations >with them. >Just a historic note. doom Snip -- Mike Katz Technical Director MIT Theater Arts Rinaldi Tile Building 77 Mass Ave E33-101 Cambridge MA 02139 617.253.0824 mkatz [at] mit.edu "Lunacy Abounds" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:27:52 -0500 Subject: Re: DMX question From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Greg Persinger wrote: > In ETC's world this is the accepted practice for running DMX input ports. It > works great and with DMX spec cable there are no problems. > > Although you think there is no practical way to get the signal from the > booth to FOH the solution is fairly simple and may be easily doable > depending on the type of cable you have existing in your installation. > > The way you do this is by making what ETC techs call an "out and back". You > do this by using a 2 pair DMX cable. Thank you! I drew up a diagram based on your description, and it makes perfect sense! (Why didn't I think of that??!!) Next question: The control cable runs are actually plugged into an A/D adapter that controls my House lights, an then the DMX OUT jack of that is connected to the jack I installed on the ENR rack. Many such devices have a daisy chain output jack, but the ENR rack of course does not. In order to plug the A/D adapter in *After* the rack, should I run the cable out from the same input terminals that the control board is hooked to? (Essentially hooking the rack and the adapter up in parallel) I don't see any other terminals specified as DMX OUT. I hope that this question makes sense. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <721F0A00-5453-11D9-9D95-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: DMX question Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:55:35 -0500 > >> This would eliminate the need for having to plug and unplug at the >> dimmer, >> just make sure you only have one console plugged in at anytime. > > Yahbut... if you're plugged into the booth, you still have an > unterminated > antenna running from the booth to the rack and out to FOH. The > question > was how to have a system that disconnects the extra cable, or > incorporates > it into one run entirely between the console and the rack. > This would solve one issue from FOH, but it would be exactly as > multiple > cables plugged in at once, from the booth. > I believe if you put a terminator on each outlet (keep it captive to the wall plate so it can't walk) then just unplug the one where you are plugging the console in. When you go to move the console, unplug the cable and plug in the terminator and do the reverse once you reach the second location. > The control cable runs are actually plugged into an A/D adapter > that > controls my House lights, an then the DMX OUT jack of that is > connected to > the jack I installed on the ENR rack. Keep this configuration, I believe the ENR is self terminating. If you parallel the jack going into the A/D then place terminators at the end of both runs you should be good. You don't want to parallel the ENR and the A/D. If you had the A/D last in the chain you should terminate the output if it doesn't have internal termination. Good luck. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ATF permits Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:00:13 -0500 "That figures. Hell, I think I should stand a fair chance of making a Molotov Coctail with a bottle of cooking oil. Certainly with a bottle of whisky, although it would be a waste." Frank Wood Frank: Mightn't that decision depend on the relative qualities of the whisky and the target? Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ********** E-mail messages sent or received by City of Sarasota officials and employees in connection with official City business are public records subject to disclosure under the Florida Public Records Act. ********** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:58:40 -0600 From: Fred Fisher Subject: Re: Molotov In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20041222134805.019ae130 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> >In a message dated 22/12/04 13:46:25 GMT Standard Time, hoodnik77 [at] yahoo.com >writes: > > > Frank, if you're going to do molotov cocktails, most > > chefs will tell you to save your whisky and use > > Bacardi 151. Much better effect with that... > > Works well on fruit salad, too ;) Wouldn't drink the > > stuff straight. mind you... > >If I really wanted do do one, I should do it in France. My house there is in >a big area for prunes. Every other year, in the season, we go to a farm. The >farmer's wife stops the drying oven, and sells me a kilo of half-dried >prunes. >I hand her a litre bottle, and she brings it back full of a clear fluid. I >rush home, put the prunes, still warm, in preserving jars with sugar, fill >them >up with this fluid, and store them for two years or more. The colourless >fluid >is a distillate from the plums. It is (just) potable, but heaven knows how >strong it is. Cask strength whisky can be up to 120 proof, and I should think >that it's fully that. A friend of mine has christened it "Rocket Fuel"! > >Frank Wood Here in the Midwest USA we layer fresh tart Montmorency cherries (grown in Michigan and Wisconsin) with sugar in a jar and cover them with grain alcohol which is something like 180 proof and after a few months we have a wonderful cherry liqueur. Fred Fisher ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: Dr Dooms dad (Was At least an ATF Permit) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:10:07 -0800 Message-ID: <011901c4e86a$9dcd9590$8d90fea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: One has to realize some biographical info which is no one's business: I was adopted. So there. Now at five feet, due to osteoporosis, being seventy five and a new right hip .... well the rest is history. Doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Mike Katz Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:15 AM To: Stagecraft Cc: Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson Subject: Dr Dooms dad (Was At least an ATF Permit) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I read this note from the fine doctor and deleted it, Then did a double take and un-deleted it. Randy is this a typo? Did you really tell us your Dad was 6'6". I had to take a short break to ponder that information (As it were) Mike Snip >I have been keeping up with the Sikh theatre piece. Interesting. My >family lived in India for four years or so, and the Sikhs were always >helpful and watchful. My Dad who was six six and then a pith helment on >top always seemed to meet them eye to eye and had excellent relations >with them. >Just a historic note. doom Snip -- Mike Katz Technical Director MIT Theater Arts Rinaldi Tile Building 77 Mass Ave E33-101 Cambridge MA 02139 617.253.0824 mkatz [at] mit.edu "Lunacy Abounds" ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1c2.21d88426.2efb4190 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:30:56 EST Subject: Re: Molotov Cc: fwfisher [at] wisc.edu In my corner of the state it's called "Cherry Bounce". Take a 5 quart ice cream pail and fill full of stemless cherries from Door County WI. Cover with cheap brandy and put the lid on. Wait a month or so. Drink. BTW.. the cherries "splat" more than bounce. I prefer it mixed with 7-up. Kristi In a message dated 12/22/4 3:01:18 PM, fwfisher [at] wisc.edu writes: << Here in the Midwest USA we layer fresh tart Montmorency cherries (grown in Michigan and Wisconsin) with sugar in a jar and cover them with grain alcohol which is something like 180 proof and after a few months we have a wonderful cherry liqueur. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:39:44 -0600 From: Fred Fisher Subject: Re: Molotov In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20041222153819.019565c0 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> At 04:30 PM 12/22/2004 -0500, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >In my corner of the state it's called "Cherry Bounce". Take a 5 quart ice >cream pail and fill full of stemless cherries from Door County WI. Cover with >cheap brandy and put the lid on. Wait a month or so. Drink. BTW.. the >cherries >"splat" more than bounce. I prefer it mixed with 7-up. > >Kristi > >In a message dated 12/22/4 3:01:18 PM, fwfisher [at] wisc.edu writes: ><< Here in the Midwest USA we layer fresh tart Montmorency cherries (grown in >Michigan and Wisconsin) with sugar in a jar and cover them with grain alcohol >which is something like 180 proof and after a few months we have a wonderful >cherry liqueur. >> And we both forgot to mention that the cherries make a wonderful ice cream topping. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:30:58 -0600 Subject: Re: Diesel (was molotov) From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I paid US $2.25 last week for diesel. >For a US gallon, no doubt. I'm talking litres! Rather more than 4 to a >gallon. I can't be bothered to convert US gallons to Imperial ones, but an Imperial >gallon is 4.55 litres, and a US gallon is 4/5 of an Imperial one. OK Frank you got me I messed up sorry. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <85.1d8158de.2efb55b4 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:56:52 EST Subject: Re: Molotov In a message dated 22/12/04 21:01:18 GMT Standard Time, fwfisher [at] wisc.edu writes: > Here in the Midwest USA we layer fresh tart Montmorency cherries (grown in > Michigan and Wisconsin) > with sugar in a jar and cover them with grain alcohol which is something > like 180 proof and after a few months we have a wonderful > cherry liqueur. Oddly enough, our objective is the prunes, rather than the liqueur.One of our local desserts combines them with stewed apples, and what is effectively filo pastry. Very tasty! I forget it's name. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <9EC53338-546D-11D9-85C4-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Broadband over waterpipes Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:02:57 -0700 Twisted pair with a bite! Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Dec 22, 2004, at 9:50 AM, Dale Farmer wrote: > Datacomm over barbed wire does exist. Originally done as a hack by > some folks I know, it has caught on in the rural market for getting > remote > monitoring of pumps and suchlike. > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3423E546-546E-11D9-85C4-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: molotov Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:07:08 -0700 Look at the date, Frank... Late Seventies, but still more current than your textbooks. Now, gasoline is about $1.75 per gallon, CNG, about $ .90 a gallon=20 equivalent Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Dec 22, 2004, at 11:20 AM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 22/12/04 15:26:49 GMT Standard Time, > marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: > >> In the late 70's I drove my Triumph Spitfire on 140 proof corn liquor >> that we made ourselves, rather than wait in line for gasoline that=20= >> cost >> OVER A BUCK! > > My heart bleeds for you. I pay about =A30.89 for a litre of diesel. = This=20 > is > more than $1. > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <86.1e04456d.2efb5aaa [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:18:02 EST Subject: Re: molotov In a message dated 22/12/04 23:08:07 GMT Standard Time, marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: > Look at the date, Frank... > > Late Seventies, but still more current than your textbooks. To what post does this refer? Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4D13280E-5470-11D9-85C4-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: molotov Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:22:09 -0700 price of diesel... Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Dec 22, 2004, at 4:18 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 22/12/04 23:08:07 GMT Standard Time, > marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: > >> Look at the date, Frank... >> >> Late Seventies, but still more current than your textbooks. > > To what post does this refer? > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:05:15 -0600 Subject: Re: DMX question From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Bruce, You can run to the input of the A/D first and then out of the A/D to your ENR rack. Terminate ONLY at your ENR rack and nowhere else in the line. Bruce wrote: > Many such devices have a daisy chain output jack, but the ENR rack of >course does not. In order to plug the A/D adapter in *After* the rack, >should I run the cable out from the same input terminals that the control >board is hooked to? (Essentially hooking the rack and the adapter up in >parallel) I don't see any other terminals specified as DMX OUT. The way you describe above is the correct way to put the A/D after the rack, but only if you can turn the termination in the ENR rack off. This is still a daisy chain and not considered a star topology. Terminate at the A/D converter. If you wanted to hit the rack first just land the wires as follows. (continuing from my first post) Take pair B (black, white) from the booth and connect it to your dimmer rack along with the wire out to the A/D (black, red). Ground - shield, shield Data minus - black, black Data plus - white, red (typically black, red is your primary DMX pair) For the female 5 pin connector going to the A/D land as follows. Pin 1 - shield Pin 2 - black Pin 3 - red Pin 4- unused Pin 5- unused Make sure the termination is removed from the ENR rack and terminate at the A/D. Bruce I am glad that you understood what I am talking about. A drawing helps make sense of it. To those of you that didn't understand maybe this will help you understand the signal flow better. FOH cable run -> rack splice ->booth run Pair A -> to booth connector ->booth run pair B from booth connector ->A/D ->ENR Rack DMX input -> Terminator Terminate ONLY at the rack or the A/D if you swap the rack and A/D positions. CB wrote: >Yahbut... if you're plugged into the booth, you still have an unterminated >antenna running from the booth to the rack and out to FOH. The question >was how to have a system that disconnects the extra cable, or incorporates >it into one run entirely between the console and the rack. >This would solve one issue from FOH, but it would be exactly as multiple >cables plugged in at once, from the booth. Chris I understood the question and I gave the appropriate answer. This isn't an audio line it's a DMX data line. According to the engineers, who are much smarter than me, DMX data inputs are always in series and it is acceptable not to break them. The way I understand the engineering theory is that the DMX transmitter in the console provides termination on the console end of the line so any reflections back down the line from the unused leg are absorbed by the transmitters terminator and don't travel back down the line to the dimmers, A/D, etc. As far as the cable being an antenna, DMX is not very susceptible to RF interference unlike audio. If the cable shields are properly terminated all RF will drain to ground and not bother the differential data signal. This also addresses Greg Bierly's idea of terminating each input when not in use. DO NOT DO THIS it will cause you a multitude of problems. If you terminate the FOH input while using the booth input you could have problems as you are now double terminating the transmitter as it is terminated at FOH, and at the dimmer end. This will bog the transmitter down and will keep you from getting a strong signal at the dimmer. If you terminate the booth input while using the FOH input no signal will pass by the terminator in the booth. This is what a terminator does, it absorbs all the signal and dissipates the energy as heat via the resistor. This would cause the dimmers to not respond to the console or respond intermittently. Because the cable is daisy chained the signal doesn't even notice there is a connector in the booth when using the FOH input. The signal only sees the cable as one big cable. When in the booth the signal doesn't notice the FOH connector as it's not connected and doesn't give much to reflect from. Anything that does reflect is absorbed by the console transmitters terminator. I want to make it clear that this is not my design or engineering but other electrical engineers design, including some from ETC, and taught to me by ETC's technical services. It is a tried and true method used by ETC on thousands of installs and they are sticklers on how their systems are installed. Basically they have great tech support but they really don't want you to use it because the install was botched, so they are picky and I like that. I hope this explains it a bit better. As a parting note remember it is absolutely necessary to use DMX spec data cable for DMX when running data in this fashion. Once again Belden 9729 or an equivalent. Termination is a 120ohm one watt resistor with one leg placed on pin 2 and one leg on pin 3. I hope this helps you. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:27:32 -0600 From: Fred Fisher Subject: Re: Molotov In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20041222181418.019ab020 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> At 05:56 PM 12/22/2004 -0500, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >In a message dated 22/12/04 21:01:18 GMT Standard Time, fwfisher [at] wisc.edu >writes: > > > Here in the Midwest USA we layer fresh tart Montmorency cherries (grown in > > Michigan and Wisconsin) > > with sugar in a jar and cover them with grain alcohol which is something > > like 180 proof and after a few months we have a wonderful > > cherry liqueur. > >Oddly enough, our objective is the prunes, rather than the liqueur.One of our >local desserts combines them with stewed apples, and what is effectively filo >pastry. Very tasty! I forget it's name. >Frank Wood Here in Wisconsin, being the top brandy consumers in the world, it seems the goal of most people is to stay drunk most of the time. We have a popular pastry here that we call a Kringle which is a ring of filo dough with various fillings. In Door County, where the cherries are, the descendants of the Walloons who settled there, love to use a prune filling. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:38:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Molotov In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Fred Fisher wrote: > is to stay drunk most of the time. Should be easy with 180 proof grain alcohol... of course, considering the winter temperatures there, it's a logical decision: If you get lost in the cold and dark, just light a finger and presto! problems solved.. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:39:57 -0600 Subject: Re: Molotov From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Charlie Richmond wrote: > Should be easy with 180 proof grain alcohol... of course, considering the > winter > temperatures there, it's a logical decision: If you get lost in the cold and > dark, just light a finger and presto! problems solved.. I thought you need the alcohol to keep your blood from freezing. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c4e892$b87a0450$80fea8c0 [at] Fred> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: Molotov Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:57:12 -0600 > I thought you need the alcohol to keep your blood from freezing. When alcohol becomes a human antifreeze the only person it helps is the embalmer. A co worker was talking about how he was thinking of buy some cheap vodka then running it through a brita filter a few times with the hope of turning it into top shelf stuff. I did a quick google search and it turns out a few people have had some luck with it. The local technical college has an automated brewery, a student built it as a robotics project and no one has had the heart to break it down. The instructer said it had only been used once. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:02:14 -0600 From: Fred Fisher Subject: Re: Molotov In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20041222200001.0190bc98 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> References: > >I thought you need the alcohol to keep your blood from freezing. > > >Greg Persinger Seems to work for the snowmobilers. Drive by Wisconsin rural bars in the winter and they are surrounded by snowmobiles. The snowmobile trails are laid out according to the shortest route between bars. Fred ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c998041222180640ce59cd [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:06:30 -0500 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: Scott Parker Subject: Position: Adjunct &/or shop supervisor, Pace NYC 2 Position announcements: Can be combined. -----Adjunct Professor----- Teach freshman level Production Crew class on Monday mornings for 14 week semester. The Production Crew class supports three productions in our 70 seat black box theater produced by the Performing Arts Department. Collaborate with technical shop supervisor to oversee the student's weekly lab work. Course description: Students will continue in understanding and practicing the skills needed to prepare designs and their realization for theatrical production. Emphasis is on setup, rigging, and shifting techniques under safe working conditions. Production lab and participation in actual productions is required A BA or BFA in theatre, with a preferred emphasis in stage technology is required. Additional duties may be available depending on candidate. -----Technical Shop Supervisor----- The technical shop supervisor will be running the performing arts department's scene shop. While under the supervision of the department's technical director, the technical shop supervisor will be working autonomously in the supervision of student crews while in a scene shop. Technical shop supervisor will: =B7 Work with the technical director to mount all department product= ions. =B7 Supervise student crews during shop lab sessions. Demonstrate, with the technical director, basic theatrical carpentry techniques. =B7 Adhere to proper safety protocols. =B7 Assess student performance during the lab sessions. =B7 Assist faculty members who use the theater for class. =B7 Supervise work-study students performing technical duties for the department. =B7 Oversee the proper care and maintenance of our stage lighting equipment. This position is allocated 20 hours per week. The schedule set for the spring semester is as follows: =B7 Monday through Friday from 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. =B7 An additional five hours per week will be scheduled as needed. Qualifications: Excellent communication, supervisory, and organizational skills are a must. Candidates should have a well rounded background in technical theater including carpentry, stage lighting, sound and basic rigging. Candidates should be comfortable supervising students who are exploring the various aspects of technical theater. Candidates must be able to read construction drawings, work safely with standard scene shop power tools, perform well under a tight production schedule and work well in a team atmosphere. Knowledge of CAD is a plus. *******Candidates are encouraged to apply to fill both positions.******** To apply, send resume with references via email to sparker [at] pace.edu. Or via mail/fax: Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College [at] Pace University Room 1205F [at] 41 P.R. 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 Fax: 914-989-8425 --=20 Take care, Scott Scott C. Parker ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000b01c4e898$22c73490$80fea8c0 [at] Fred> From: "Mike Rock" References:

Subject: Re: Molotov Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:35:58 -0600 > Seems to work for the snowmobilers. Drive by Wisconsin rural bars in the > winter and they are surrounded by snowmobiles. > The snowmobile trails are laid out according to the shortest route between bars Too bad there hasn't been enough snow few a couple winters now. ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "will kent" Subject: Re: DMX question Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 03:17:43 +0000 I guess you cant complain if you got them for free and are upgrading from anologe. In that case i congradulate you in your upgrade. Will Kent Owner/Operator/LD Kent Production Services www.kentlighting.cjb.net ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6E74AF99-5499-11D9-9D95-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: DMX question Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:16:34 -0500 > This also addresses Greg Bierly's idea of terminating each input when > not in > use. DO NOT DO THIS it will cause you a multitude of problems. I'll defer to you on this one. Thanks for the correction. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:37:48 -0600 Subject: Re: DMX question From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Greg Bierly wrote: > I'll defer to you on this one. Thanks for the correction. Good logic, bad engineering. :-) Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20041222220711.02cb03d0 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:45:26 -0600 From: Mitch Hefter Subject: Re: DMX512 Question In-Reply-To: References: Bryan Ackler wrote: >"Assigning NERF foam bats . . ." NERF isn't hard enough. I'm sorry Mr. Purdy has a bad install. Unfortunately, some of these fixes may cause problems down the road. In Germany, DIN developed its own version of DMX512 a number of years ago because of German legal requirements. Perhaps if Mr. Purdy's install was there, you really could bring in the police. (DIN's version is not identical to USITT DMX512/1990 and in significant conflict with some of the requirements of ANSI E1.11, USITT DMX512-A.) If you violate the standard, then don't claim you have a DMX512 installation. Don't expect compliant equipment to hook into your system and work - and just because it does sometimes doesn't make it right. The second data link is for data. A small voltage, even within the EIA-485 limits, is not data. Shorting the wires together is not data. If you hooked up our equipment to such a scheme, your warranty is gone. Same with some other manufacturers, I'm sure. The In/Out method Mr. Persinger describes could be considered compliant in some cases, except some equipment plugging into that system won't work, at least as designed. This short cut in installation means you are defeating the purpose of the standard - cross-manufacturer interoperability and compatibility. EIA-485 describes the physical characteristics of the transmission line. You have to terminate at both ends (the console is normally terminated - you just don't see it). You can tap off of the line a few inches and normally get away with it. Longer sometimes work, sometimes doesn't. This can be one source of flicker. Standards are voluntary, but if you don't comply, then don't say you do. It defeats the purpose. Bottom line, install it right and these issues will go away. DMX512 is very forgiving and we've been lucky with non-compliant installations working. DMX512 "bending and breaking the rules" habits will fail with Ethernet. . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com ESTA / USITT DMX512 Revision (ANSI E1.11) Task Group Chair USITT Engineering Vice-Commissioner, DMX512 Subcommittee Chair Office: Entertainment Technology / a Division of the Genlyte Group mhefter [at] genlyte.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 (Direct Line 214/ 647-7967) +1-214/ 647-4738 Fax http://www.etdimming.com http://www.lolcontrols.com http://www.vari-lite.com http://www.genlyte.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Brandon Slokowski" Subject: Snow Machines Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:56:46 -0500 Hello all, I am sick and tired of dealing with hit or miss snow machines. Either too much snow, or not enough snow, either covers too great of an area or not enough of an area. I need to be able to control the size of the flakes, the rate at which it falls, and the area it covers, hopefully it will be relatively quite too. Any ideas, what do you like? Thanks, Brandon Slokowski ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:03:08 -0600 Subject: Re: DMX512 Question From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mitch Hefter wrote: > I'm sorry Mr. Purdy has a bad install. Unfortunately, some of these fixes > may cause problems down the road. (snip) > If you violate the standard, then don't claim you have a DMX512 > installation. Don't expect compliant equipment to hook into your system > and work - and just because it does sometimes doesn't make it right. The > second data link is for data. A small voltage, even within the EIA-485 > limits, is not data. Shorting the wires together is not data. If you > hooked up our equipment to such a scheme, your warranty is gone. Same with > some other manufacturers, I'm sure. I forgot about this one. Voltage on a DMX line is BAD! > The In/Out method Mr. Persinger describes could be considered compliant in > some cases, except some equipment plugging into that system won't work, at > least as designed. This short cut in installation means you are defeating > the purpose of the standard - cross-manufacturer interoperability and > compatibility. OK Mitch is correct here. What I described does not meet the DMX standard. To meet the standard I would have to have all 5 pins connected all of the way through the system. This is what USITT DMX512/1990 requires to be compliant. Pins 4 and 5 are reserved for auxiliary data and are to be connected. What I described gets you halfway to compliance by taking care of the first pair with signal on pins 1,2,and 3. The "some equipment" that Mitch is referring to are the ET dimmer bars as they use the second pair for talkback to and reception from the dimmers. This allows you to get status information and a few other things without having to climb up to the dimmer mounted on the pipe. If the second pair is missing the ET talk back system will not work. The dimmers will still respond to DMX and you will have control though so if you don't want or need the talk back features you are still good to go. As a side note ET's talk back system is pretty slick. The only thing it can't do that I wish it could is re-address the dimmers remotely. At this moment ET is the only company that I can think of using the second data pair. Wybron might have a system that uses it as well but I don't remember. Mitch are there others that you know of? ETC, Strand, and Colortran all decided to do dimmer talkback via another cable so in these systems pins 4 and 5 are almost never hooked up. According to one of my engineering friends for one of the DMX product manufacturers the reason the new RDM talk back functions were designed to work on a single pair and not the second DMX pair, is because of all of the single pair cable out in the lighting world. He also says RDM would be a lot more stable on the second pair but a lot of places would have to pull new wire to make use of RDM then. Because manufacturers never made use of the extra pins people stopped wiring it as the wire is about $.50 more a foot. You can save a lot of money in a big install. I am not saying don't follow the standard as the 3 pin XLR drives me up the wall, just stating the reasoning for no pins 4 and 5. > > Standards are voluntary, but if you don't comply, then don't say you > do. It defeats the purpose. OK most of my installs don't comply to a true USITT DMX512/1990 standard because of lack of pin 4 and 5 connections. I don't claim they do. > > Bottom line, install it right and these issues will go away. DMX512 is > very forgiving and we've been lucky with non-compliant installations > working. DMX512 "bending and breaking the rules" habits will fail with > Ethernet. Mitch, we don't know each other so I say this so there is no misunderstanding and you don't feel as though I am trying to pick a fight, I would like to hear your perspective on this as you sit on the USITT DMX 512 subcommittee. In your opinion, other than pin 4 and 5 not being connected, how are the DMX rules being bent and broken? I'm sure you don't want to say anything negative about ETC, but are ETC's methods flawed? I'm not an engineer so I can't tell you. How is this going to effect things with Ethernet? I find Ethernet installs to be simpler to install with a wider range of options. I currently have 5 or 6 Ethernet systems up and running with no issues. I look forward to hearing your answers as I am always looking to learn and improve. Merry Christmas! Sincerely, Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #236 *****************************