Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #41 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:00:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #41 1. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by FREDERICK W FISHER 2. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by Rigger 3. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com 4. Grid Access(Somewhat OT) by "Stephen E. Rees" 5. Re: fire extinguishers by Theatre Safety Programs 6. Re: Grid Access(Somewhat OT) by "Jon Lagerquist" 7. Re: Peanuts, Coke, and bioterrorisim...etc.... by "Joe Meils" 8. Re: the good ol days by 9. Re: the good ol days by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 10. Re: the good ol days by "Immel,Patrick" 11. Re: the good ol days by Boyd Ostroff 12. Re: the good ol days by Pat Kight 13. Re: Scrap Wood by doran [at] bard.edu 14. Re: Homemade RP screen by Loren Schreiber 15. ahh nutz by b Ricie 16. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) by Richard Niederberg 17. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by Bruce Purdy 18. Screws by Mike Brubaker 19. Re: Screws by Charlie Richmond 20. Safety in the workplace. by Michael Powers 21. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) by Bruce Purdy 22. Re: Screws by Shawn Palmer 23. Re: Screws by "Mike Rock" 24. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) by Pat Kight 25. Re: Carriage Bolts (was...Peanuts)(I like them boiled) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 26. Re: the good ol days by Rigger 27. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 28. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) by Richard Niederberg 29. Re: S/N by CB 30. Re: Peanuts, etc.../the good ol days by CB 31. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by CB 32. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by CB 33. Scrap Wood by CB 34. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT) by CB 35. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by CB 36. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by "Tony Deeming" 37. Movie of lights you might be interested by "will kent" 38. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT) by Richard Niederberg 39. Re: Pedagogy (was Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT)) by "RK Steck" 40. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT) by Shawn Palmer 41. Re: ETC goes Silent by 42. Local One Apprenticeships by Eddie Kramer 43. Re: Screws by "Adam Berns" 44. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT) by MissWisc [at] aol.com 45. Re: S/N by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 46. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by Jerry Durand 47. Re: the good ol days by "Alf Sauve" 48. Re: Carriage Bolts by "Alf Sauve" 49. Re: Screws by "Alf Sauve" 50. Re: [spamcatcher] Screws by Jerry Durand 51. Corrected Local One Apprenticeships by Eddie Kramer 52. Re: Food for thought...ref: Bill of Rights by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 53. Re: Local One Apprenticeships by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 54. Re: Corrected Local One Apprenticeships by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 55. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 56. Re: Corrected Local One Apprenticeships by Richard Bakos 57. Re: ahh nutz by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 58. Re: Education (was Braille Sign Now it can not even see the topic) by "Mike Rock" 59. Re: Carriage Bolts (was...Peanuts)(I like them boiled) by Stuart Wheaton 60. Re: Corrected Local One Apprenticeships by Eddie Kramer 61. Re: food allergies by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 62. Re: Movie of lights you might be interested by Boyd Ostroff 63. USITT NY: Demo of High End Systems' DL-1 by "Scott C. Parker" 64. Re: Education An idea to share... by MissWisc [at] aol.com 65. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT) by "Kacey Fisher" 66. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) by "Kacey Fisher" 67. Re: Movie of lights you might be interested by Richard Niederberg 68. Re: food allergies by "Tony Deeming" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:53:12 -0500 From: FREDERICK W FISHER Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... Message-id: <7f27227f986f.7f986f7f2722 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> I was looking to interject some > humor. > Sigh. > > Bill S. That's ok Bill. Remember, Rodney Dangerfield got rich with no one except his agent laughing at his jokes. Fred Fisher ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:32:18 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... At 9:03 AM +0100 6/14/04, Tony Deeming wrote: >Here's an example - if ONE person in a million suffered from a reaction to, >say, salt, then that person needs to make sure they make others aware of >that fact. Salt is probably used in a VERY high percentage of food prep, >even some sweet stuff, and is likely included on all those ingredient lists. >But because of that ONE in a million chance that this guy may walk in to >their restaurant, does the restaurateur have to label everything with 'may >contain salt'? In this day and age, the solution is to completely ban salt for everyone. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:06:16 -0400 From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... Message-ID: <01F4B102.03D693C4.022BF668 [at] aol.com> > > (Mr. Sapsis???? Since when did I get so old that you use > Mr. on me??? Geez > Louise) > Okay, then, Louise it is. Jeff ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40CDB0D7.10107 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:06:15 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Subject: Grid Access(Somewhat OT) References: Indeed. Consider the new facility at South Coast Rep where staffing dictates access to the nethermost regions of building including the grid. Very well executed design. Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia Richard Niederberg wrote: > > For new theatres, you might be surprised as to how often wheelchair > access to and ACROSS the grid had been demanded by local inspectors. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040614073131.01cee968 [at] mail.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:33:36 -0700 From: Theatre Safety Programs Subject: Re: fire extinguishers I have a fact sheet about fire extinguishers available, which was done in conjunction with a City of Phoenix Fire Marshall. E-mail me off list if you would like a copy. It is too long to post. Jerry Gorrell Technical Director, Phoenix Stages, City of Phoenix Principle, Theatre Safety Programs ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:44:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Grid Access(Somewhat OT) Message-ID: <40CD574C.28025.2B41C6 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: Well at least to the front of house catwalks. Loading rails, grid and trap spaces all require some form of stair or ladder. > Consider the new facility at South Coast Rep where staffing > dictates access to the nethermost regions of building including the > grid. Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001a01c45221$bebd6c60$2cecbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References:

Subject: Re: Peanuts, Coke, and bioterrorisim...etc.... Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:10:35 -0500 Hey Folks, Has anyone else been to a movie lately, and seen the new "Coke" commercial? It's pretty simple, a cute black woman sings a gospel-like song about helping the world, while the camera tracks her down the street, handing out OPEN bottles of Coke to complete strangers. Now, I ask you, in this day and age, if some "overly happy" woman came waltzing by you, and handed you a drink that looks like it may have been tampered with, would you be in a hurry to slug it down? The audiance I was with (to see the Riddick movie) started making catcalls to the screen, each time she handed off a bottle... "Here, have some anthrax!"... "Enjoy some cold rycin!"... "Everything goes better with ebola-cola!" Just struck me as funny. Seems America has learned it's lessons very well... Joe ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: the good ol days Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:10:40 -0400 Message-Id: <20040614151040.QTYC1534.de-fe01.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe01> > << Who rembers running behind the DDT truck? My mom said that the ice cream > > truck used to follow it around becasue that is were all the kids were. >> For one that doesn't remember this, (Most likely too young) I am curious of what was the allure? Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <46.50c0c64d.2dff1ad1 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:14:25 EDT Subject: Re: the good ol days In a message dated 6/14/04 11:11:18 AM, gbierly [at] dejazzd.com writes: << For one that doesn't remember this, (Most likely too young) I am curious of what was the allure? >> It was foggy and it smelled great. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, our work. and under, ------------------------------ Message-ID: <147CF8DFB9C5D41187300001FA7EE39011EDC52F [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu> From: "Immel,Patrick" Subject: Re: the good ol days Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:18:32 -0500 >From: gbierly [at] dejazzd.com > << Who rembers running behind the DDT truck? My mom said that the ice cream > > truck used to follow it around becasue that is were all the kids were. >> >For one that doesn't remember this, (Most likely too young) I am curious >of what was the allure? > >Greg Bierly >Hempfield HS In the seventies, our family went camping at Yogi Bear Jellystone Park Campground. Every night the park "rangers" used to drive around spraying for mosquitos...I can only imagine what they were spraying. Well there were probably 15-20 kids on bikes, myself included, tailing behind the cart. Not sure why, but it seemed like a cool idea then! Pat Immel Northwest Missouri State University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: the good ol days In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Who rembers running behind the DDT truck? Now you're really dating us! :-) Yeah, I did that. For you "kids", back in the 50's it was common for the city send around a truck that had a giant fog machine on it. Actually, the one in my neighborhood (St Louis suburbs) was essentially a pulse jet engine, not unlike the "buzz bomb" propulsion system used by the Germans in WWII. It used kerosine fuel that had DDT insecticide mixed in. This produced a huge cloud of smoke that blanketed the neighborhood as the truck drove around and it killed the mosquitoes, and lots of other stuff as well. Anyway, we thought it was pretty cool and would ride our bikes right behind the truck so we were engulfed in the toxic fog. Smelled great also. It's a wonder I'm still alive... Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40CDC296.7030707 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:21:58 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: the good ol days References: In-Reply-To: Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 6/14/04 11:11:18 AM, gbierly [at] dejazzd.com writes: > (Re: DDT trucks and the following thereof. > ><< For one that doesn't remember this, (Most likely too young) I am curious >of what was the allure? >> > >It was foggy and it smelled great. > I gew up on Air Force bases, and we used to run around after the DDT truck on summer evenings, too, for the very same reasons... and because we thought the DDT would keep the mosquitoes off us. But then, I used to love the smell of diesel exhaust when we were lined up waiting for the school buses to take us home, too ... Considering the various toxins I voluntarily exposed myself to as a child, a teenager in the 1960s and as a budding theatrical artist, it's probably a Good Thing that I chose not to pass along my chromosomes. (-: -- Pat Kight Albany (Ore.) Civic Theater kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1087226832.40cdc3d0660ee [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:27:12 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Re: Scrap Wood References: In-Reply-To: Eric, I notice that your post specifically asks about sheet goods. I also notice that many replies mention burning small pieces. This may seem obvious to some, but don't burn the sheet goods scraps. The adhesives within most engineered wood products contain bad-for-burning chemicals, like formaldehyde. As for the actual question, we save what we think we might use again in a vertical storage rack, and throw the rest in the dumpster. Either that, or we give the scraps to some of out Visual Arts students. I know one guy that has a large sort of card file that pivots against the wall of his garage. You might also try a rolling unit for your scrap box. Whatever you do, try to assign a potential future purpose to whatever you do save, and that might help you decide what to chuck. Just some thoughts. Good Luck, Andy Champ-Doran Quoting usctd [at] columbia.sc: > What do all you scene shop types do with weird pieces of scrap sheet > goods. I am going into my 3rd year here and am trying to come up with > ways to free up some real estate. We have a scrap box that is out of > control and kind of unsafe. We try to save as much as we can due to > budget. Any brilliant ideas? > Eric Rouse > TD-University of SC, Columbia > Freelance Foyboy ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040614083800.02c83350 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:53:53 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Homemade RP screen In-Reply-To: Hey y'all, I've been away ropin' cattle on a ranch in New Mexico, so I'm just now catching up to the list. I think someone asked about a cheap alternative to commercially available rear projection screens. Oddly enough, that is one of my entries in the next Tech Expo in Toronto. Simply cover your screen frame with a sheet of visqueen--regular old "clear" visqueen--and then medium weight muslin. The visqueen knocks the point source of the projector down pretty well and the muslin provides the projection surface. You can't beat it for the price. This works especially well when the projection surface also needs to be painted or dyed. And speaking of the Tech Expo: how about all you brilliant problem-solvers on this list share a little of your brilliance with the rest of us at the upcoming 10th Biennial Tech Expo? It's part of the USITT Stage Expo and convention in Toronto next March. I've seen some wonderful solutions to myriad problems discussed on this list--why not write up a little something about your idea and send it in with an official entry form available from the USITT website? Need more information? Drop me a line. Loren Schreiber Chair, USITT Tech Expo Committee ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040614155536.27635.qmail [at] web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:55:36 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: ahh nutz In-Reply-To: Times change, people change, opinions change, our bodies change, anyone got change for a dollar? Mr?!? That was my fathers name, and it was, when he was my age. Please do not call me Mr. Rice. Politics belong in the State House not the School House. What possible education is received by the Mentally Ill children when you can do NOTHING, sounds like day care to me and a detriment to the other children who are attempting to learn something. So...Bake sales are not safe but grids for the handicapped are? Surly you cannot expect the kind person behind the bake sale table to know the ingredients of all their wares, or the 10yr old with the roadside Lemon-aid stand for that matter. Someone once said our bodies change every seven years.(I know mine feels 7 yrs older then it did 7yrs. ago) I used to be VERY allergic to Poison Ivy, not so much any more. I now am very allergic to bee stings. So, when did personal responsibility change? You had the Children, now it is my responsibility to make sure that their every right is protected? NEWS FLASH FOLKS! CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS! Children cannot vote, drive a car, get a credit card, look at porn , buy booze or tobacco, or even lottery tickets. The first 18 yrs of a child's life is to learn to use the rights they will get when they turn 18. Yes children can make decisions, and when they make wrong one's it is up to the adults to correct them. Yes, it takes a village to raise a child, I have no problem with that, as long as the village empowers us to do so. That same village will not have the same rules as the rules in one's own hut, if that is not satisfactory, then one should be available to watch one's own offspring 24/7 and not complain how other in the village do so. The village is society folks, and we want everyone to be a productive member of that society. The correct first step should be toward PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY not toward the court house. (Rant over) ===== Brian Rice b_ricie [at] yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:01:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) Message-ID: <20040614.090132.2864.11.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg > << For new theatres, you might be surprised as to how > often wheelchair access to and ACROSS the grid had > been demanded by local inspectors. > /s/ Richard >> > Richard, > > what is the response to that? ******Quote the precise wording of the ADA to the inspector's ******boss, then immediately lobby the city's elected officials >is that actually what ADA calls for ? ******NO! > or is that a individual call of the inspector? appealable? ******YES.(individual call?) ******YES. (appealable?) but it delays the project and increases ******the financing costs and delays the return on investment. > appropriate in an educational facility but not required in a "road > house" ? ******It is not required in either instance. > Keith Arsenault ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:04:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > What was the old saying? "Anyone who isn't a Liberal at age 18 has no > heart, and anyone who hasn't turned Conservative by age 30 has no > brain", or something like that? Best is to find the middle ground. A balance between the two. I never used to consider myself either Liberal or Conservative (On different specific issues I might be one or the other.) Our current administration has moved the entire playing field so far to the right, that for the first time I am a liberal - by default. My positions haven't changed, but the definitions have shifted. What was once middle of the road is now on the left! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040614111023.052d8848 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:11:42 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Screws In-Reply-To: References:

How many of you remove, sort, and reuse screws? Or is it better to always use new? This should make Bill S. feel better... Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:16:11 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Screws In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Mike Brubaker wrote: > How many of you remove, sort, and reuse screws? I buy only Robertson (square socket style) when I possibly can but will reuse anything if it's the only thing available and still serviceable. I will replace any slot or phillips head screw that needs to be put back in with a Robertson if at all possible. Robertson screws are perhaps the best Canadian invention ever - after the telephone ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:05:33 -0400 From: Michael Powers Subject: Safety in the workplace. Message-id: <1087229133.40cdcccd2b13d [at] mail-www3.oit.umass.edu> Just saw cartoon blurb I had to share. If you ignore safety in the workplace, The problem won't go away......... but you will! Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Theatre Department 112 FAC West 151 Presidents Drive, Ofc.2 Amherst, Ma. 01003-9331 413-545-6821 voice 413-577-0025 fax mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:17:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > For new theatres, you might be surprised as to how often wheelchair > access to and ACROSS the grid had been demanded by local inspectors. > /s/ Richard >> New multiplex Cinemas are usually required by ADA to install an elevator to the projection booth so as to not discriminate against hiring a disabled projectionist. No consideration is given to the amount of stooping to thread the bottom platters or stretching to thread the top platters. Nor to the need to step over film that often runs a few inches off the floor between the projector and the platters. In short, a disabled person could not handle the job anyway, but the elevator must be installed regardless. It does make it easier to bring concession merchandise up and down from the storeroom which is often located in the booth, - but I've been told that is technically illegal because the elevator is only to be used for handicapped people! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40CDCF6F.3060804 [at] northnet.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:16:47 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Screws References:

In-Reply-To: > How many of you remove, sort, and reuse screws? Or is it better to > always use new? > > This should make Bill S. feel better... > > Mike When I got here five years ago there were about six five gallon buckets of screws- to be sorted. I don't ever have the kind of time to do that. Nor do I ever have enough student help to assign that job to someone that "needs something to do." If that is all they are capable of they leave. Even if they have never used a hammer I can find something more productive for them to do. We buy new screws, use them once, and buy new again. It just isn't worth it to reuse them- for me, anyway. I am sure you'll get some differing opinions on this one. And in advance, sorry Bill. I wasn't here the first time around... Shawn P Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c4522d$f6570300$176e1745 [at] Spankythelovemachine> From: "Mike Rock" References:

Subject: Re: Screws Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:38:01 -0500 We reuse them, and have the underclassmen sort them at strike. Then next show it brings back memories when you see the colors on the head. Mike ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40CDD5E6.3030406 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:44:22 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) References: In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy wrote: >New multiplex Cinemas are usually required by ADA to install an elevator >to the projection booth so as to not discriminate against hiring a disabled >projectionist. No consideration is given to the amount of stooping to thread >the bottom platters or stretching to thread the top platters. Nor to the >need to step over film that often runs a few inches off the floor between >the projector and the platters. > >In short, a disabled person could not handle the job anyway, but the >elevator must be installed regardless. It does make it easier to bring >concession merchandise up and down from the storeroom which is often located >in the booth, - but I've been told that is technically illegal because the >elevator is only to be used for handicapped people! > You're lumping disabilities together, Bruce. There are conditions that can render a person unable to climb stairs, but still perfectly capable of handling the tasks you describe. Heck, my bifocals make it increasingly difficult for me to walk down flights of stairs without missing steps and falling on my ass; at the rate I'm decrepitating, I imagine I'll be taking advantage of some of those disability access features before my life is over. Most of us will. As for the "it's illegal for others to use the handicap elevator" - nope, that's a misreading of the law. It's no more illegal than it is for an able-bodied person to use the handicap-access stalls in the restroom. (It might be illegal if the facilities were *always* tied up and unavailable to disabled people, but there's nothing in the law that says the required facilities must be reserved for the exclusive use of the disabled.) There's a lot of misunderstanding about what disability access laws require, and who benefits. The truth is, most accommodation for the disabled also works in favor of the able-bodied. Sidewalk curb cuts, for instance: while they were designed to help people with wheelchairs get around, the largest group to benefit from them turns out to be parents with kids in strollers. -- Pat Kight Albany (Ore.) Civic Theater kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <111.335819a0.2dff34b0 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:04:48 EDT Subject: Re: Carriage Bolts (was...Peanuts)(I like them boiled) In a message dated 14/06/04 02:37:48 GMT Daylight Time, alf [at] sauve.org writes: > Hex head bolts are not better for every given application. There are many > applications in which one side is blind and not readily accessible. Or very > low clearance is needed. In those cases a carriage bolt with the > appropriate square hole is the better. Until you try to get them out several years later. Then you find that the nut has seized, and the wood softened, so you can apply no torque. The jackpot answer is to insert a metal dowel, perpendicular to the bolt, witha suitably tapped hole made across it into which an ordinary hex bolt screws. It's more trouble, but it's stronger, and easy to unfasten. It's the same scenario as the knots inexperienced stage hands tie. It's sometimes taken me ten minutes to unravel one of those! Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:20:20 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: the good ol days At 11:14 AM -0400 6/14/04, Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote: >> For one that doesn't remember this, (Most likely too young) >> I am curious of what was the allure? >> > > It was foggy and it smelled great. Plus it was easily 15-20 degrees cooler. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <28.48ad60cc.2dff3ab1 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:30:25 EDT Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... In a message dated 14/06/04 09:04:27 GMT Daylight Time, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > Here's an example - if ONE person in a million suffered from a reaction to, > say, salt, then that person needs to make sure they make others aware of > that fact. Salt is probably used in a VERY high percentage of food prep, > even some sweet stuff, and is likely included on all those ingredient lists. > But because of that ONE in a million chance that this guy may walk in to > their restaurant, does the restaurateur have to label everything with 'may > contain salt'? Or 'may contain herbs' for that one in five million allergic > to parsley? By no means. But the restaurateur MUST know what is in everything on offer. That way, when the allergen sufferer tells him what his problems are, he has an answer. > > I'm not trying to be funny, here, but my point is that the responsibility of > awareness of any particular case in any particular situation must lie with > the sufferer, or (in the case of a child) their parent/guardian. This is right. There is a duty of knowledge on both sides. The restaurauteur needs to know exactly what is in his dishes, the sufferer, to what he is allergic. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:37:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) Message-ID: <20040614.103918.2864.12.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Seldom is an elevator LEGALLY required to be used ONLY for handicapped persons, even when there is legally required signage to that effect. Likewise, even 'open' wheelchair lifts are not required to be used exclusively by the handicapped, despite the attempts of management to limit their use by key switches and signage so as to limit the amount of repair and maintenance required for this expensive and space-consuming machinery. The 'handicapped' stalls in restrooms (big enough for a 5' dia. clear circle) are also NOT reserved exclusively for the disabled. /s/ Richard > I've been told that is technically illegal because the > elevator is only to be used for handicapped people! > Bruce ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040613215618.016d4b40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:56:18 From: CB Subject: Re: S/N >I don't think you know what a professional engineer has to do. You keep on using those words. I don' thin' it means wha' you thin' it means. I designed, specced, purchased, charted, built, taught, and maintained an entire television system that included two multi-camera studio's , a radio studio, six edit suites and a master control that output six channels of television and stereo radio. I charted every wire, and anything in the building could be sent to or taken from anything else. While designing, installing and maintaining the office phone system and LAN. I could tell you what patch point was at the other end of any cable in the building that you cared to point to, and what connector on what piece of gear it was normalled to. Our engineering dept. won international acclaim for design that year (NFLCP), and we also innovated the first interactive televison to go to users homes, the bungie-cam, and the micro-van (location van in a road case). I did a live insert into a live broadcast from someone's kitchen out of my VW micro-bus. I think I have a bit of a clue as to what a professional engineer has to do. On a daily basis, brother. Resumes without facts are so much hot air, but my specifics are easily checked, since we're putting 'em up against the tape. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040613220039.016d4b40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:00:39 From: CB Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.../the good ol days >On one occasion >I knocked out the power in the neighborhood for about 30 minutes. I got >a good whupin for that one. My boss, at the afore mentioned TV gig, tells a great story where the Davis-Monthan AFB Tower had to call the Tucson Fire Dept. and have them track him down and ask him to stop. He was eight,and had built great huge caps and was making lightining. It was interfering with the Air Force ATC. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040613220522.016d4b40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:05:22 From: CB Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... >peanuts are legumes, NOT nuts, per se. However, jars of peanuts contain the warning that the jar contains nuts. I was never sure if they actually had some nuts in them, or the manufacturer just wan't aware that peanuts are neither peas nor nuts. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040614111358.016d4b40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:13:58 From: CB Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... >What was the old saying? "Anyone who isn't a Liberal at age 18 has no >heart, and anyone who hasn't turned Conservative by age 30 has no >brain", or something like that? Is that measured in chroinological years? I guess it's taking more than twelve years for my heart to die... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040614112038.016d4b40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:20:38 From: CB Subject: Scrap Wood >We try to save as much as we can due to >budget. Any brilliant ideas? Yeah, use the scrap at the next opportunity. I wa in the shop the other day building crown molding, and I got rid of about 750 linear feet of scrap. 'Member those sheet goods that have a couple o' curved cuts out of the edges? Yup, those are now part of the set! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040614112929.016d4b40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:29:29 From: CB Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT) >We spent the better part of a day debating what to do with kids >misbehaving at performances. Get the parent's phone number. Every time the kid gets out of hand, call the parent and ask how best to deal with the disruptive child. This gets both obstacles out of the way. First, anything you do to get the child back to the studies is supported by parental suggestion (Richard, would this get around in loco parentis?), and second, after about three calls a day the kid is definitely going to have to asnwer for that when he arrives home. It really is amazing how well "I'm going to call your mother" works, well into early adulthood. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040614113422.016d4b40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:34:22 From: CB Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... >As someone with a (not so) unusual food allergy to >wheat/flour/barley/etc, I have never expected others to limit >themselves for my sake. and then... >However, I fully expect anyone who offers food >to anyone not in their family, commercially or privately, to know what >it's made out of. If you can't tell me what's in it, you should have no >right to sell it. So, which one is it? I think that you meant to say that if you have a food allergy, and the person providing a gift or offering a goody for sale doesn't know the ingredients, you have no right to expect that it DOESN'T contain foodstuffs that you are allergic to. The allergy is yours, and you have to take steps to remain healthy. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <019701c45245$e5f5f8a0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:29:23 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 14/06/04 09:04:27 GMT Daylight Time, > deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > > > Here's an example - if ONE person in a million suffered from a reaction to, > > say, salt, then that person needs to make sure they make others aware of > > that fact. Salt is probably used in a VERY high percentage of food prep, > > even some sweet stuff, and is likely included on all those ingredient > lists. > > But because of that ONE in a million chance that this guy may walk in to > > their restaurant, does the restaurateur have to label everything with 'may > > contain salt'? Or 'may contain herbs' for that one in five million allergic > > to parsley? > > By no means. But the restaurateur MUST know what is in everything on offer. > That way, when the allergen sufferer tells him what his problems are, he has an > answer. > > > Should have been clearer, there... I meant does the menu have to be labelled with everything that's in every item? ------------------------------ From: "will kent" Subject: Movie of lights you might be interested Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:31:52 +0000 Message-ID: I got this video editing software with my new computer so i was messing around with it and made a music video of all inteligent light fixtures promotional videos i pulled off company websites. The Song is Hexagram by The deftones. Email me with the address and format and quality you want if your interested in seeing it. Will Kent Lighting Designer and sound tech. www.kentlighting.cjb.net www.stagecrew.cjb.net _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:31:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT) Message-ID: <20040614.123110.2864.13.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg NO; for example, corporal punishment may be forbidden by law in your State even if the parent or guardian consents. The larger problem is that the parent(s) may end up saying: "We pay [or ..'our tax dollars pay'] for your institution to handle little Jimmy or Suzy, so we wouldn't have to deal with these acting-out issues for at least 6 hours per day. We can not accept non-emergency calls at work or we'll get fired. Do Your Job, and deal with YOUR discipline issues! If Jimmy or Suzy has been seriously injured and transported to the hospital, we want to know about it; other wise, a note sent home will be adequate". It seems that Education is offered the kids, but Babysitting is expected. by the parents. /s/ Richard > (Richard, would this get around in loco parentis?), > Chris "Chris" Babbie ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ From: "RK Steck" Subject: Re: Pedagogy (was Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT)) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:29:28 -0700 Organization: University of Oregon Message-ID: <000f01c4524e$4b056cf0$6500a8c0 [at] rksteck1> In-Reply-To: Hello, In regards to problematic children in classrooms and in performances, it isn't always about bad parenting (although this is often the case). It is also about the educators. So often, educators teach from the same lesson plans year after year. Sure, we may change the material within the lesson but the structure of the lecture stays the same. Meanwhile, kids are active in different ways than we were as children. One example of this could be the cinematic graphics of XBOX and Playstation which keeps kids enthralled for hours in action/adventure games. Some even prefer to play baseball on the computer rather than at the stadium because the computer moves faster and they can be three guys/gals at once. These kids learn to multitask before we do and yet our lesson plans are still so institutional and one-dimensional. I guess what I am saying is that learning is now as diverse as our cultures and our hobbies. Problems within the classroom may stem from children's boredom, inability to comprehend our style of teaching, or maybe from poor social issues. If it is the last, then there are alternative services for the kids. If misbehavior stems from the former two, then it is our job as educators to adjust and work with the parents to create interesting, exciting, and civically responsible young adults. Sincerely, RK Steck University of Oregon ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40CE0C04.1020208 [at] northnet.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:35:16 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT) References: In-Reply-To: > NO; for example, corporal punishment may be forbidden by law in your > State even if the parent or guardian consents. The larger problem is > that the parent(s) may end up saying: "We pay [or ..'our tax dollars > pay'] for your institution to handle little Jimmy or Suzy, so we wouldn't > have to deal with these acting-out issues for at least 6 hours per day. > We can not accept non-emergency calls at work or we'll get fired. Do Your > Job, and deal with YOUR discipline issues! If Jimmy or Suzy has been > seriously injured and transported to the hospital, we want to know about > it; other wise, a note sent home will be adequate". It seems that > Education is offered the kids, but Babysitting is expected. by the > parents. > /s/ Richard I've stayed out of this until now. Ah, well. My wife is a first grade teacher in a large public school district in the area. I am obviously also very close to education... with students that are a bit older. We also have a nineteen month old in private child care. This does get my wife's dander up, but not in the way you might expect. She runs a tight ship, and fully expects that the children in her class ARE her responsibility in pretty much all ways WHEN they are in school. That is the expectation now, unfortunately. She has very few discipline problems after the first week of school. The "trouble" kids are usually funneled into her room when class lists are made out before the year. So are minor autistic (Asperger's syndrome) cases and other various "issues." She does not "bother" parents with problems... she deals with them. But then she expects the same from our child care provider and other son's teachers, which was a problem I recently had to deal with. Every time my wife or I would pick Ross up, our child care provider would say "Well, Ross did 'this' today." or "My hubby will be really mad at you tonight, Ross, for breaking that little clasp on that cupboard." Well, he's nineteen months old. This started occuring at about ten months. If something happened at nine am and I take him home at 4 pm, I'm not sure he remembers what he did if I'd punish him. When I asked how his behavior was "modified," it wasn't. At all. Now, I'm not stupid. Ross is not perfect. He can be naughty. He isn't the anti-christ either... I support my child's care provider and my nine year old's teachers. I expect any problems to be dealt with immediately. If they need to contact me, fine... but they already know now I support them and understand behavior modification. Don't get me wrong... I am not trying to dump my kids in other's lap so I don't have to deal with them. I just want any issues with my children to be dealt with immediately when possible, in a fair manner, by the person who's rules have been violated (also when possible.) Then depending on the situation punishment of our own may follow (no double jeopardy protection in this family :-) The problem is when OTHER things start to become the teacher's responsibility. All of you in education know what I mean. When my wife started teaching about twelve years ago, she didn't have quite the same rapport with the police liason and the social workers that she does now (by neccesity, unfortunately.) Some parents don't care if their kids have lunch or lunch money. Some don't care about breakfast, school work, baths, clean underwear, if they get picked up on time (or at all,) that the hand print shaped bruise looks pretty damn suspicious, etc. That's the problem... not that parents expect discipline. It has gotten way out of hand. And that is just sad. As the great :-) Keanu Reeves said, "you need a license to drive a car, but they'll let any bu*#-reaming a#*hole be a father." Sorry for the length and disjointed nature of rant. Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: ETC goes Silent Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:46:05 -0400 Message-Id: <20040614204605.KZMB7282.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] mxmta.bellnexxia.net> > > From: "Michael Eddy" > Subject: ETC Goes Silent > Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:24:21 -0400 > In-Reply-To: > Message-ID: > > I realize that it's not about nut allergies or Braille, but ETC just > announced that it acquired IES BV, the Dutch company that makes very = > nice > silent dimmers. This will give them a leg up on Strand, who has been > developing its own silent, sine wave dimming. > > Here is the link to the story on the L&SA web site: > > > Michael S. Eddy > Lighting&Sound America > =A0 > michael [at] plasa.org > www.lightingandsoundamerica.com > > Strand's SST dimmer modules were released quite some time ago - they have been installed in several venues - check out the release on the Strand Webpage. R. ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:02:14 -0400 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Local One Apprenticeships Local One Apprenticeships Local One will be giving apprenticeship tests this summer, on August 14, 2002. The tests will be conducted by Personnel Sciences Center and held at the Westin New York, 270 West 43rd Street (8th Avenue) To take the test you must by 17 years old or older (by December 31, 2003), and register in advance. Registration will be at Local One's office in the Local One Building, 320 West 46th Street (8th and 9th Avenues) on the following dates; Monday, June 28 Tuesday, June 29 Wednesday, June 30 Thursday, July 1 or Saturday, July 2 To register you must provide ; a recent photo (approximately 2x2), furnish your Social Security Number, and pay a non-refundable test fee of $250.00 in cash or check, payable to "T.P.U., Local One, I.A.T.S.E." Registrants will be notified by mail of the time and room to report to for the test on August 14, 2002. The top forty (40) scorers will be placed on the local's apprenticeship list. After an apprenticeship of 18 months to three years, they will have a full Local One Card. -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:30:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200406141730.AA641466690 [at] mail.adamb.com> From: "Adam Berns" Subject: Re: Screws I have no problem re-using shorter screws (longer ones always get bent or broken). However, the time to sort screws and find ones that work is A LOT harder and more expensive than just buying new ones. Nobody should ever have to sort screws. By having somebody sort screws jsut relays that you are as valubale as a screw. Not exactly a good morale booster. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mike Brubaker Reply-To: "Stagecraft" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:11:42 -0500 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- How many of you remove, sort, and reuse screws? Or is it better to always use new? This should make Bill S. feel better... Mike ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:33:36 -0400 From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT) Message-ID: <1E683966.61C17E58.007B9F2A [at] aol.com> > Every time the kid gets out of hand, call the parent and ask how best to deal with the disruptive child.>> Chris you're assuming the parent is smarter than the child. That's often NOT the case. I'd LOVE to have given a time out, physically restrained a violent child, (In Madison, I went to a training class on that so I could do it without getting sued. I'm certified in the "four point hold" and the "team carry".)or simply removed the kid from class. TEACHERS aren't PERMITTED to do this in many schools. Principals have no spine because they're not backed by administrators. Administrators are political puppets (appointees) of the board who are elected officials. "I'm gonna call your mother" doesn't work when it's the kid who runs the household. True and sad. When momma is in a long term re-hab facility because her last coke hit caused a stroke. Or is in jail for stealing food to feed her kids. Or is home but is so depressed that she can't hall her butt off the couch for days at a time. And daddy is no where to be seen. Momma isn't going to do anything and teacher's not being allowed. So we all pay when Junior is in jail at age 14. RK Steck brings up an excelelnt point... educators need to shape the curriculum to meet the kids' needs. Unfortunatly, the "status quo" is what most school administrators want. And, since few have been in a classroom recently, they view anyone doing anything different as "insubordinate". Perhaps I SHOULD write a book. Kristi ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.22c91d81.2dff7970 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:58:08 EDT Subject: Re: S/N In a message dated 14/06/04 19:40:43 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Resumes without facts are so much hot air, > but my specifics are easily checked, since we're putting 'em up against the > tape. And mine are not. I really don't know where you would start. Checking the approving authoriity for drawings would be a place: you would often find my initials. How to find the drawings in such detail, I don't know. Few of my references are provable. The references do not exist. But this post suggests that I am a liar. This is something I cannot support. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040614145933.027005e0 [at] localhost> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:00:35 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... In-Reply-To: References: At 06:17 PM 6/13/2004, Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote: >How quickly we forget. I was referring to a thread started by one Kathy >Stevens about a thousand years ago that went on and on, ad nauseum. I was >NOT >looking for to start it up again. I was looking to interject some humor. And then there was the problem of lights swinging from the pressure of the light beam. I think there was some concern about the light pushing over scenery, too. Old threads, not serious! ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <009001c4525c$0995d620$0600a8c0 [at] alf> From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: the good ol days Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:53:24 -0400 Chlordane dust is what we had around. Of course Chlordane hasn't been on the shelves since 1976 (about). I'm one of the few who probably remembers the distinctive smell. Not only did we use the dust we had the liquid and a special muffler attachment for the lawnmower so we could make Chlordane smoke. I rigged it on my go-kart and drove all around the yard with it. My dad thought that was cute since he didn't have to mess with it. Alf ------------------------------ Message-ID: <009101c4525c$09b8ee80$0600a8c0 [at] alf> From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: Carriage Bolts Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:00:18 -0400 Wood? Wood? No. No. You don't use carriage bolts in wood. You use carriage bolts in metal. Well you can use them in wood if you utilize a metal retaining strap. Alf Yes, I admit I've done the quick and dirty and used them directly in wood. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 13:04 PM Subject: Re: Carriage Bolts (was...Peanuts)(I like them boiled) > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 14/06/04 02:37:48 GMT Daylight Time, alf [at] sauve.org writes: > > > Hex head bolts are not better for every given application. There are many > > applications in which one side is blind and not readily accessible. Or > very > > low clearance is needed. In those cases a carriage bolt with the > > appropriate square hole is the better. > > Until you try to get them out several years later. Then you find that the nut > has seized, and the wood softened, so you can apply no torque. > > The jackpot answer is to insert a metal dowel, perpendicular to the bolt, > witha suitably tapped hole made across it into which an ordinary hex bolt screws. > It's more trouble, but it's stronger, and easy to unfasten. It's the same > scenario as the knots inexperienced stage hands tie. It's sometimes taken me ten > minutes to unravel one of those! > > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <009201c4525c$09fc3910$0600a8c0 [at] alf> From: "Alf Sauve" References:

Subject: Re: Screws Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:03:24 -0400 Not only don't I reuse, used screws. I don't even bother to pick up new screws that are dropped, unless it's the last one. Just not worth the time and effort unless they just happen to fall into my hands. I had a really hard time working with one fellow that was saving all the used nails, he pulled out. Am I bad or what? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Brubaker" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: Screws > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > How many of you remove, sort, and reuse screws? Or is it better to always > use new? > > This should make Bill S. feel better... > > Mike > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040614151529.027018e0 [at] localhost> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:17:40 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: [spamcatcher] Screws In-Reply-To: References:

At 09:11 AM 6/14/2004, you wrote: >How many of you remove, sort, and reuse screws? Or is it better to always >use new? The hard part is hammering them straight again after using the pry bar to pull them out. I've heard there's some device that TURNS the screws, but that just seems silly, a hammer to install and pry bar to remove is all you need. How's that? :) ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:19 -0400 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Corrected Local One Apprenticeships Corrected Local One Apprenticeships Old message had the year wrong Local One will be giving apprenticeship tests this summer, on August 14, 2004. The tests will be conducted by Personnel Sciences Center and held at the Westin New York, 270 West 43rd Street (8th Avenue). To take the test you must by 17 years old or older (by December 31, 2003), and register in advance. Registration will be at Local One's office in the Local One Building, 320 West 46th Street (8th and 9th Avenues) on the following dates; Monday, June 28 Tuesday, June 29 Wednesday, June 30 Thursday, July 1 or Saturday, July 2 To register you must provide ; a recent photo (approximately 2x2), furnish your Social Security Number, and pay a non-refundable test fee of $250.00 in cash or check, payable to "T.P.U., Local One, I.A.T.S.E." Registrants will be notified by mail of the time and room to report to for the test on August 14, 2004. The top forty (40) scorers will be placed on the local's apprenticeship list. After an apprenticeship of 18 months to three years, they will have a full Local One Card. -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <27.5a9acb65.2dff7f5f [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:23:27 EDT Subject: Re: Food for thought...ref: Bill of Rights Fred Fisher writes: >I think what Dick is commenting on is the ultra reactionaries like >George Bush, Dick Cheney and their running dogs in the gov't and in >business are succeeding in their goal of repealing the Bill of Rights. I think that the current administration has no monopoly on the drive to repeal the Bill of Rights. Past administrations of every persuasion, and a whole U.S. Congress full of our "representatives" (both houses, both sides of the isle) have all been chipping away at our "inalienable" rights for some time. Each little piece comes packaged as a *common sense* solution to a crisis. The national media excel at manufacturing these crises out of common place human tragedies and/or foolishness with their insatiable need to fill air time. Most recently, the First Amendment was seriously abridged by the Campaign Finance Reform Act. The Second Amendment is under constant attack. The Forth Amendment is abridged at all levels of government in the name of security. (read it to see the irony of that), and on it goes through the whole list. The most egregious disregard is of course reserved for the Tenth Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." It is perhaps appropriate at this time recall some comments of the late, great, President Reagan: * "I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress." * "Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." * "Government ..... could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." * "No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!" May he rest in peace. I'm not sure that we can. SteveV Orl, FL ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <5b.511ac7c6.2dff83f6 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:43:02 EDT Subject: Re: Local One Apprenticeships In a message dated 6/14/04 5:02:57 PM, ESKramer [at] earthlink.net writes: << The top forty (40) scorers will be placed on the local's apprenticeship list. After an apprenticeship of 18 months to three years, they will have a full Local One Card. >> Yeah, and then they get stuck with me for a day. Such a reward! <> Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, our work. and under, ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <80.e41246b.2dff842b [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:43:55 EDT Subject: Re: Corrected Local One Apprenticeships They still get stuck with me for a day. Doesn't matter what year. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, our work. and under, ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.22ded3ef.2dff848b [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:45:31 EDT Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... In a message dated 6/14/04 6:00:55 PM, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: << And then there was the problem of lights swinging from the pressure of the light beam. I think there was some concern about the light pushing over scenery, too. >> Oh man, I had forgotten about those. They were very funny. Someone should be writing a book.... Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, our work. and under, ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40CE2FB2.3010305 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:07:30 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Corrected Local One Apprenticeships References:

In-Reply-To: Eddie Kramer wrote: >Local One will be giving apprenticeship tests this summer, on August 14, 2004. The tests will be conducted by Personnel Sciences Center and held at the Westin New York, 270 West 43rd Street (8th Avenue). > Is this a writen test or a DNA test like it used to be? Rick ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <6a.40be88c8.2dff9f3a [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:39:22 EDT Subject: Re: ahh nutz Brian Rice writes: >The village is society folks, and we want everyone to >be a productive member of that society. The correct >first step should be toward PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY >not toward the court house. Well put. As someone said, if the stagehands were put in charge, we'd have the mess straightened out in no time. As in, We have done so much, with so little, for so long...... SteveV Orl, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003901c45274$3a197f50$176e1745 [at] Spankythelovemachine> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: Education (was Braille Sign Now it can not even see the topic) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:01:01 -0500 >"These kids learn to multitask before we do and yet our lesson." Well said as a student that is one thing I dislike 7 hours of being bord, I understand that not everything can be fun but some teachers are not even trying. I am by no means bashing the profession, like with most things there is a wide range of teachers some great some good and some ehh. I had one History teacher this year ( 11th grade) who would spend a third of the class reviewing what we did yesterday. While this was great if someone missed a day but for me it was mind numbing greated he was a new teacher (less than five years) I still did not look forward to his class. Mike ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40CE4D7C.6010601 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:14:36 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Carriage Bolts (was...Peanuts)(I like them boiled) References:

In-Reply-To: Alf Sauve wrote: > Hex head bolts are not better for every given application. There are many > applications in which one side is blind and not readily accessible. I didn't think about blind holes, Likely I'd just use a t-nut and put the bolt on the accessible side, seems safer for moving the piece around without stuff sticking out. Or maybe weld a flat head bolt to a plate and screw the plate to the structure, but you may have a point here. > Or very > low clearance is needed. Flat heads require no clearance, unlike a carriage bolt's domed top. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:45:52 -0400 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Re: Corrected Local One Apprenticeships On 6/14/04 Bsapsis [at] aol.com sent: >They still get stuck with me for a day. Doesn't matter what year. It was a attempt to fool you and keep the world safe for the new apprentices. Eddie -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1601FE16 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: Re: food allergies Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:47:11 -0700 For Ynot (?) My wife is allergic to onions. (actually a "sensitivity, since she developed it after birth). They will kill her, if ingested. Restaurants are tough. Italian (ie pasta is usually safe, if you like white sauce all the time), but Chinese, Greek, Indian is out for us. We make it very clear when ordering: "I will die if I eat onions. Is the _________ safe?" It is up to the waitstaff to check the recipe books, including sub-ingredients, for onions. Most are very good. Some are very bad. Needless to say, we read a lot of ingredient lists when shopping. If going out to a friends to dinner, we let them know in advance of her condition. They either modify everything, or a select one or two dishes for her. (I won't even discuss her allergy (non-lethal) to fish, and her dislike of pork. I used to use onions in everything too.) She works in daycare. They have a "no peanut rule". The reasoning is if another child eats the peanut butter sandwich, and doesn't clean their hands, and get PB on the allergic child, or a toy that the allergic child will pick up, that trace amount of PB can kill the child. Is this going too far? NO! Argue otherwise. Once PB has come in the daycare, you cannot prove that you can keep it only to the one child who (whom) brought it. What is next for the sort of off-topic debate? Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Movie of lights you might be interested In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, will kent wrote: > promotional videos i pulled off company websites. The Song is Hexagram by > The deftones. I don't want to rain on your parade, but you should be careful about distributing video and music that contains copyrighted material unless you have the owners' permission. Regardless of whether you make a profit on this, you could open yourself up to some legal action. It should be OK to do this for your personal use at home, but offering it on the internet is another matter, especially since you have no idea what someone else might do with it. Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040614224317.04661dc0 [at] mail.hstech.org> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:46:51 -0400 From: "Scott C. Parker" Subject: USITT NY: Demo of High End Systems' DL-1 In-Reply-To: References:

For those of you interested, we're having a meeting this Thursday. We're also offering a demonstration of High End Systems' DL-1 6:00 - 8:00pm A combination of automated lighting and video projection http://www.highend.com/products/digital_lighting/dl_1.asp Abe Burrows Theater First Floor (Rear of lobby) Information for the Meeting: NYU Tisch School of the Arts 721 Broadway (Corner of Waverly Place and Broadway) N & R Trains at 8th Street 6 Train at Astor Place Guests may be asked to present photo ID. Scott C. Parker Vice Chair NYC/Metro Area Section of The United States Institute of Theatre Technology www.usittny.org scott [at] usittny.org 718-757-6661 ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <129.43e6291c.2dffbcd4 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:45:40 EDT Subject: Re: Education An idea to share... Cc: rockm [at] new.rr.com In a message dated 6/14/4 8:00:32 PM, rockm [at] new.rr.com wrote: <> Must have graduated from UW Oshkosh. That's where I was taught a MUSIC teacher I should spend 2-3 DAYS a week having students read about great musical works! Not hearing them not plauying them, reading ABOUT them. Poor reading teacher with her Ph.D. just didn't GET what the K-12 teaching world is like. Fortunately, I ignored that advice. Best thing I've ever done as a teacher I call "Stand and Deliver" after the film. Each kid in turn stands, faces the class, says "My name is __" and a sentence or two on a topic. The topic changes depending on what's going on in the world and their lives. Kids beg to do it because they get attention, plus I get to know them better, and it gives me a chance to hear individual voices so I can identify and help vocal problems. Takes about 8 minutes to do a class of 24. I also use it as a review tool where they stand, say their full name, tell one thing they learned from the unit then pick a name for the person to go next. (stand) "My name is Kristi R-C and I'm enjoying spending time with my son this summer, though I'm eager for my hubby to come home from his tour for a couple of weeks." (sit) The thing about facing the group and saying your name came from my business contacts where I find a lot of people don't introduce themselves confidently. Never had that problem with stagehands, though most of us use one word names or nicknames. Unkle, Doom, Babbie, Dave, Eddie, Boyd, Herrick... :) Kristi ------------------------------ From: "Kacey Fisher" Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat [now very] OT) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Shawn wrote: Every time > my wife or I would pick Ross up, our child care provider would say > "Well, Ross did 'this' today." or "My hubby will be really mad at you > tonight, Ross, for breaking that little clasp on that cupboard." Well, > he's nineteen months old. This started occuring at about ten months. > If something happened at nine am and I take him home at 4 pm, I'm not > sure he remembers what he did if I'd punish him. When I asked how his > behavior was "modified," it wasn't. At all. Now, I'm not stupid. Ross > is not perfect. He can be naughty. He isn't the anti-christ either... This amazes me that people, especially day care providers, can be so ignorant about children. A 19 month old is physically incapable of remembering what he did at 9am! The ONLY way a 19 month old should be "disciplined" is by saying, Not for baby and removing them from the situation and/or distracting them with something else. And you'll have to do that 10 times a day because they can't remember the "rules" until they are about 2 anyhow. And then, they just remember don't go into that cabinet-but that other one over there, no one told me no, so I'll play over there. It's your day care providers responsibility to protect him from himself. Which is why they have a huge aisle of safety proofing devices to help in that endeavor. If I were in your shoes, I'd sit your daycare provider down and let her know exactly what you expect of her. You are paying her after all-you are her employer. I'd make it very clear what and how you want her to discipline your son or handle this situation in the future. Plus, you don't want your son to think he can break things on your cupboards too when he gets home because he's allowed to do it at daycare! And how does this relate to stagecraft? (Because I feel obligated to tie it in somehow) We have the same responsibility to protect the audience/actors/directors etc from the things they don't know-like how to load an arbor correctly or putting up clip lights so the actors don't kill themselves trying to make an exit or entrance. And so on. ~Kacey ------------------------------ From: "Kacey Fisher" Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: It's located at Guest Services. Yeah, it's kind of far off corner, but it makes sense in terms of what Guest Services provides. ~Kacey > In Disney's Epcot park they have a braille map of the whole park. > It is in > a strange location so I always wondered how the visually impaired > would even > find the map. > > Rob Carovillano ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:32:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Movie of lights you might be interested Message-ID: <20040614.221405.2748.2.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg I absolutely concur with Boyd's assessment of the situation. /s/ Richard > ... you should be careful about distributing video and > music that contains copyrighted material unless you > have the owners' permission. Regardless of whether > you make a profit on this, you could open yourself up > to some legal action. It should be OK to do this for > your personal use at home, but offering it on the internet > is another matter, especially since you have no idea what > someone else might do with it. > Boyd Ostroff ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <023601c452aa$132b76b0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: food allergies Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:26:28 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:47 AM Subject: Re: food allergies > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > For Ynot (?) > > My wife is allergic to onions. (actually a "sensitivity, since she developed it after birth). They will kill her, if ingested. > > Restaurants are tough. Italian (ie pasta is usually safe, if you like white sauce all the time), but Chinese, Greek, Indian is out for us. > > We make it very clear when ordering: "I will die if I eat onions. Is the _________ safe?" It is up to the waitstaff to check the recipe books, including sub-ingredients, for onions. > Which is EXATLY what I (and a couple of others) are saying. YOU (or your wife) are taking the RESPONSIBILITY for her allergy by making sure YOU ask the restaurateur about the contents. Your post doesn't suggest that you expect every menu item to be labelled 'contains onion' just for the minoritiy's benefit. > Needless to say, we read a lot of ingredient lists when shopping. Again, you take the responsibility. > > If going out to a friends to dinner, we let them know in advance of her condition. They either modify everything, or a select one or two dishes for her. And again - YOU give the cook the advance warning they need, specifying the no-no's. > > (I won't even discuss her allergy (non-lethal) to fish, and her dislike of pork. I used to use onions in everything too.) > > She works in daycare. They have a "no peanut rule". The reasoning is if another child eats the peanut butter sandwich, and doesn't clean their hands, and get PB on the allergic child, or a toy that the allergic child will pick up, that trace amount of > PB can kill the child. Is this going too far? NO! Argue otherwise. Once PB has come in the daycare, you cannot prove that you can keep it only to the one child who (whom) brought it. > And here, I would have to agree, as it is apparently proven (I have no personal experience, so I said 'apparently') that PB is bad for a lot of kids. Ynot ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #41 ****************************