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Test - ignore if you wish by "Mikkel Mynster" 2. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing by "Paul Schreiner" 3. Re: ACad vs. VW? by SS 4. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "Fred Bauer" 5. UK Rad Mic Licence petition by "Tony Deeming" 6. Re: ACad vs. VW? by Rigger 7. Open Office Draw by Kim Hartshorn 8. Alternatives to Upsom board by "Dougherty, Jim" 9. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 10. Re: Alternatives to Upsom board by Michael Heinicke 11. First Gig by joreth [at] techie.com 12. Re: [BULK] First Gig by "Paul Schreiner" 13. Re: Alternatives to Upsom board by Robert Johnson 14. Re: *** Spam *** Re: Alternatives to Upsom board by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 15. Re: First Gig by SS 16. Nyc TD job by Steve Shelley 17. Re: ACad vs. VW? by 18. Re: Moulin Swing by Jim Hyslop 19. Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems by 20. Re: First Gig by Rigger 21. Re: First Gig by Rigger 22. Re: Moulin Swing by 23. Re: Upson Board by "Alan Bryson" 24. ETC Link by "David Fox" 25. Re: Upson Board by Robert Johnson 26. Welding aluminum & welder recommendations by Michael Heinicke 27. Re: Nyc TD job by "Brian Munroe" 28. Re: Welding aluminum & welder recommendations by Stuart Wheaton 29. Re: Nyc TD job by Rigger 30. Re: Nyc TD job by "Bill Nelson" 31. Re: Nyc TD job by MissWisc [at] aol.com 32. touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling purposes by "Bill Schaffner" 33. Re: First Gig by "Mike Katz" 34. Re: [BULK] First Gig by "RD" 35. Re: Moulin Swing by "RD" 36. Re: First Gig by "RD" 37. Re: First Gig by "RD" 38. Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling purposes by Stephen Litterst 39. Metamorphoses Pool heating by "Schuyler Silva" 40. Re: USITT Pheonix: share ride from airport hotels? by Chip Wood 41. Re: Alternatives to Upson board by Stephen Rees 42. Re: First Gig by Stuart Wheaton 43. Re: **JUNK** Re: Lumber by Jim Hyslop 44. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating by Stuart Wheaton 45. Re: First Gig by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" 46. Re: Open Office Draw by Chip Wood 47. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating by "Schuyler Silva" 48. Re: ETC Link by Kh97925 [at] aol.com 49. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating by Ford Sellers 50. Re: First Gig by "Paul Schreiner" 51. Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling purposes by "Bill Nelson" 52. Re: USITT Pheonix: share ride from airport hotels? by "Scott Parker" 53. Australia banning incandescents by Ron Cargile 54. Re: Nyc TD job by "Don Taco" 55. Student scenic artist looking for work in New England this by b Ricie 56. Scholorship up for grabs by b Ricie 57. Re: First Gig by Stephen Litterst 58. Re: **JUNK** Re: Moulin Swing by Jim Hyslop 59. Re: First Gig by rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) 60. Re: Scholorship up for grabs by "Kent Laue" 61. Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work by Al Fitch 62. Re: Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work by Ford Sellers 63. Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling purposes by jon weaver 64. Re: First Gig by MissWisc [at] aol.com *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mikkel Mynster" References: Subject: Test - ignore if you wish Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:55:20 +1100 Message-ID: <004e01c754e6$00d0e590$8800a8c0 [at] Mikkel> In-Reply-To: Sorry for the bandwidth - trying to get Outlook to send in plain text. If you get this, I won't need any advice! ------------------------------ Subject: RE: real thing vs. "prop" thing Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:17:17 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07796D01 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > [stage combat] > > Also, actors occasionally get carried away. >=20 > I forget the actual choreography for the particular incident,=20 > but it involved an actor getting angry at an actress. At the=20 > (one and only) performance, he lost himself and almost=20 > dislocated her jaw. Picture it...Lewiston, NY, 1988. Final dress for "Othello", and we're getting to the end of the Cassio/Montano fight, where I (playing one of those ubiquitous "gentlemen") was supposed to parry Cassio's lunge, secure his wrist, and shoulder-tackle him (after he's already wounded Montano, of course). Five weeks of rehearsal and choreography, and until now the fight had always proceeded smoothly; but tonight, the actor playing Cassio "felt it". His lunge was way too strong, we lost blade control on the parry, and--in order to try to re-establish it--he swung *back* at my blade. Hit my across the back of my right hand. Now, mind you, this is one of those very dull theatrical rapiers. No sharp pointy edges or anything. He still opened the back of my hand up, and it's only been within the last couple of years that the scar has faded. (Hurt like a mo' fo', too.) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0702200623h6f563120l9251690918159cfe [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:23:51 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: ACad vs. VW? In-Reply-To: References:

> > I would download a demo version of Acad to play with it.< < >>> I would too, if only Autodesk ported it for the Mac. But since they don't...<<<< Dave, not sure what you're running, but, since Macs have the capability of running XP, or Vista, in parallel with OS X would you not then be able to try ACAD, assuming of course you are braving the PC waters on your Mac? Any listers out there doing this? (I'm also curious since I may be in the market for a new machine sometime here in the near future, and may ditch one of my PC machines for a Mac.) -- -SS TTS-EKU "Every day is an opportunity disguised as a challenge" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <5de431640702200640w62a84d20h29b61604810d7bc5 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:40:34 -0500 From: "Fred Bauer" Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: References:

There's an interesting report on "Full Spectrum" lighting, (both incancescent and flourescent) at http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/nlpip/lightingAnswers/fullSpectrum/abstract.asp -Fred ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: UK Rad Mic Licence petition Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:47:52 -0000 Message-ID: OK, guys & gals. Following on from the highly publicised e-petition to Downing Street there is now one on line for anyone wishing to register their concerns over the de-regulation of the radio frequencies, which will make theatre radio mic work extremely difficult in the future. May I suggest that all UK based theatre tech's take a gander and sign (if you agree with the petition of course!). (Apologies to the non-UK boys & girls for the bandwidth). The text of the petition is as follows: "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to halt the selling off of radio spectrum used for PMSE until a suitable alternative is found" It can be found at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/PMSEspectrum/ One or two people have put their company or theatre after their name, which may or may not help, but makes more interesting reading when scanning who's signed! More Details: "As part of the Digital Dividend Review, OFCOM has announced plans to sell off the Analogue UHF TV band. This band is also heavily used for so called Program Making and Special Events, covering usage of radio microphone, radio talkback/foldback, and wireless comms systems. We'll see the return to cabled mics on the WestEnd Stage, popular TV programs becoming unworkable, and the Vicar having to shout at the village fete. The implications for the 2012 Olympics are also unthinkable, during the 2004 Olympics for example in excess of 300 channels could be in use in a single stadium, difficult even with the currently available spectrum. Without the availability of Radio Mics in the West End, it is likely that much of Musical Theatre will cease, Sir Lloyd-Webber has already hinted that he'd consider premiering his next musical on Broadway. Overall the impact on UK PLC of the loss of this spectrum would be immense, impacting on everything from church services through to the Olympic Games." Cheers Tony ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:26:37 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: ACad vs. VW? At 9:23 AM -0500 2/20/07, SS wrote: >Dave, not sure what you're running, but, since Macs have the >capability of running XP, or Vista, in parallel with OS X would you >not then be able to try ACAD, assuming of course you are braving the >PC waters on your Mac? I have the capability, but not the time, nor, to an extent, the patience. I've got a MacBook Pro with the 2.16GHhz Intel Core Duo chipset and am running the newest version of Tiger, which, as you correctly point out, can indeed run XP in BootCamp (the jury's still out whether Vista will coexist with any other OS). However, it doesn't make very much sense to me to buy a copy of XP (*if* I had the funds to do so) and go through the hassles of installing and debugging BootCamp *and* XP just to run a demo of AutoCAD for a test I have to take in less than 48 hours... I've run Win95SE in emulation under Jaguar and VirtualPC before, and it took more than 2 days just to get the Windoze OS to behave itself. Frankly, I do have other things to do between now and Thursday morning. I do appreciate the thought, though. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Singing is basically a pleasant, controlled form of screaming. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070220110400.5fio0d3484ck04cs [at] webmail.plattsburgh.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:04:00 -0500 From: Kim Hartshorn Subject: Open Office Draw References: In-Reply-To: Steve and Mick Thanks for that link to Openoffice.org The draw layer is perfect...well almost perfect....for an introduction to CAD. The only thing I have found so far is that I wish it would dimension in feet, inches, fractions. (You can set it to dimension in feet or inches but you have to deal with decimals, I suppose it is a not so subtle attempt to get us to move towards metric :-) But then an introduction class should probably manually dimension anyway instead of using the auto dimension. Still, the feature can be used to establish the dimension line and the station lines with the dimension added with the text tool. It has some very nice features, it rotates cleanly, aligns objects well, groups and merges objects and allows for editing. And it is quite compatible with Word! See you in Phoenix! Which teams play spring ball in phoenix? Kim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:24:30 -0500 Subject: Alternatives to Upsom board From: "Dougherty, Jim" Message-ID: I was talking to the people in the carpentry shop at the college that employs me, and they had a cut sheet for a new material for forming curved surfaces. They don't like the bending lauan (wiggle wood) so much because the grain either shows clearly or requires a great deal of filling. This material is MDF, with one side kerfed to allow it to bend in one direction. The kerfs can come in either direction (barrel or column). It comes in 1/4" and 3/8" thick, and is also available with plywood instead of MDF, at 3/4" thick. If two pieces are laminated together (kerfed face to kerfed face) they claim it will hold its shape without any framing. The manufacturer's URL is www.neatconcepts.com, and the material is available from our local suppliers. For our shop, I can't afford this stuff - it lists at almost $50 US per 4'x8' sheet. If we were turning out displays for industrials, or running a big commercial shop, I'd look at it much more closely. Read the brochures, get a sample, try it yourself. I've never used it, but it looks cool. For super cheap curved surfaces (discounting labor!!!), I've also kerfed regular 1/4" lauan on 1/4" centers, and it bends pretty well. You can also laminate up 1/4" or 1/8" lauan to make thicker pieces, like elliptical window casings. - Jim Dougherty ATD Middlebury College Theatre Dept. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:16:08 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Fred Bauer wrote: > http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/nlpip/lightingAnswers/fullSpectrum/abstract.asp Wow! That is really interesting and dispels a whole bunch of theories.... C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:24:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Alternatives to Upsom board In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <106505.97668.qm [at] web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- "Dougherty, Jim" wrote: > This > material is MDF, with one side kerfed to allow it to > bend in one direction. > The kerfs can come in either direction (barrel or > column). It comes in 1/4" > and 3/8" thick, and is also available with plywood > instead of MDF, at 3/4" > thick. If two pieces are laminated together (kerfed > face to kerfed face) > they claim it will hold its shape without any > framing. The manufacturer's > URL is www.neatconcepts.com, and the material is > available from our local > suppliers. This looks like a product that was used in our space as a facing for a set of platforms that cover an extended pit area. Recently the fire marshal saw them and requested that they be removed since the platforms blocked coverage from the sprinklers. He was concerned that the kerfed side presented a significantly increased surface area for ignition. I don't know if it that is true, but we used it as a reason to remove the panels since we were considering it anyway. Just something to think about if anyone is looking at using this... Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ From: joreth [at] techie.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:25:58 -0500 Subject: First Gig Message-Id: <20070220172558.3CFD21CE303 [at] ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> I'm about to release my latest newsletter and I'm including a link to a pag= e I wrote called "What You Should Know On Your First Gig". I'm trying to k= eep a balance between giving out as much essential information as possible = and keeping it from being filled with too much information and therefore be= ing too daunting for a newbie to read. Those of us who have been in the bu= siness for a while know when these guidelines can be bent (or broken), but = I'd like to keep it black and white to instill good habits in the new kids = who don't yet have the experience to know when they can bend (or break) the= rules safely and properly. I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions fro= m you veterans out there and even from any newbies who *have* worked their = first pro gig and wish someone had told them something before they started = that maybe I left out. As I said, I'm trying to keep it somewhat streamlined, and it's already pre= tty long, so I can't promise I'll take everyone's suggestions, but unlike a= sound engineer ... I like feedback ;-) http://www.stagehandtees.com/firstgig.html "Joreth" http://www.stagehandtees.com http://www.theinnbetween.net =3D Clothing Hangers - For The Home Huge selection-wood, metal, plastic low prices and free shipping offer. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3Dcdb6175d7434f7a2c5d99= a7f3c227bcd ------------------------------ Subject: RE: [BULK] First Gig Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:42:33 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07796F03 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > As I said, I'm trying to keep it somewhat streamlined, and=20 > it's already pretty long, so I can't promise I'll take=20 > everyone's suggestions, but unlike a sound engineer ... I=20 > like feedback ;-) Good work...but yeah, it's pretty long already! I find that one of the things I'm constantly trying to remind my students is how to balance deference towards those who've been around more, vs. completely being a wallflower. I'd love to see a few "top commandments" or something, and would offer two suggestions: 1: Trust your instincts. You know more than you think you do. 2: Keep your ears and eyes open. You know less than you want to think you do. I'd also add... 3: Remember that the most important piece of safety equipment is carried between your ears. Format-wise...how 'bout linking to separate (pop-up?) pages for the basic skills and tricks section, so that the whole isn't too daunting to the newbies? That way they can focus on that at their leisure. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:56:41 -0600 From: Robert Johnson Subject: RE: Alternatives to Upsom board In-reply-to: Reply-to: rojohnso [at] cord.edu Message-id: <003601c75518$79aff820$6b79818a [at] THE6266> Organization: Concordia College Ok, I have see several options and am most interested in the bendy plywood/luan. Anyone know where to get the stuff in the US. I have the extra special advantage of being in Moorhead, MN. That is on the MN/ND border next to Fargo. Robert Johnson Technical Director Concordia College (218) 299-3821 rojohnso [at] cord.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Michael Heinicke Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:24 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Alternatives to Upsom board For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- --- "Dougherty, Jim" wrote: > This > material is MDF, with one side kerfed to allow it to bend in one > direction. > The kerfs can come in either direction (barrel or column). It comes > in 1/4" > and 3/8" thick, and is also available with plywood instead of MDF, at > 3/4" > thick. If two pieces are laminated together (kerfed face to kerfed > face) they claim it will hold its shape without any framing. The > manufacturer's URL is www.neatconcepts.com, and the material is > available from our local suppliers. This looks like a product that was used in our space as a facing for a set of platforms that cover an extended pit area. Recently the fire marshal saw them and requested that they be removed since the platforms blocked coverage from the sprinklers. He was concerned that the kerfed side presented a significantly increased surface area for ignition. I don't know if it that is true, but we used it as a reason to remove the panels since we were considering it anyway. Just something to think about if anyone is looking at using this... Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:07:14 -0500 Subject: Re: *** Spam *** Re: Alternatives to Upsom board From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Locally, Raleigh NC, we have a lumber yard that specializes in more exotic woods, but also has all the normal stuff, they carry it there. Look for lumber yards that cater to serious woodworkers. That might help. Steve > From: Robert Johnson > Organization: Concordia College > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:56:41 -0600 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: *** Spam *** Re: Alternatives to Upsom board > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Ok, I have see several options and am most interested in the bendy > plywood/luan. Anyone know where to get the stuff in the US. I have the extra > special advantage of being in Moorhead, MN. That is on the MN/ND border next > to Fargo. > > Robert Johnson > Technical Director > Concordia College > > (218) 299-3821 > rojohnso [at] cord.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Michael > Heinicke > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:24 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Alternatives to Upsom board > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > --- "Dougherty, Jim" wrote: >> This >> material is MDF, with one side kerfed to allow it to bend in one >> direction. >> The kerfs can come in either direction (barrel or column). It comes >> in 1/4" >> and 3/8" thick, and is also available with plywood instead of MDF, at >> 3/4" >> thick. If two pieces are laminated together (kerfed face to kerfed >> face) they claim it will hold its shape without any framing. The >> manufacturer's URL is www.neatconcepts.com, and the material is >> available from our local suppliers. > > This looks like a product that was used in our space as a facing for a set > of platforms that cover an extended pit area. Recently the fire marshal saw > them and requested that they be removed since the platforms blocked coverage > from the sprinklers. He was concerned that the kerfed side presented a > significantly increased surface area for ignition. I don't know if it that > is true, but we used it as a reason to remove the panels since we were > considering it anyway. Just something to think about if anyone is looking at > using this... > > Mike Heinicke > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0702201025r3fad4a8bu741798ee48745465 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:25:47 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: First Gig In-Reply-To: References: > As I said, I'm trying to keep it somewhat streamlined, and it's already pretty long, so I can't promise I'll take everyone's suggestions, but unlike a sound engineer ... I like feedback ;-)< My .02.... The only piece of advice/criticism would be to lose the foul language. While I understand your site is of the casual nature, you are addressing an important/serious topic (along the way you even cover this!). While most of us don't mind the language, sometimes it is not always necessary to use in order to STRESS a scenario/subject/topic. Good though. I liked your article on the whole. Thanks for piecing it all together! Best.... -- -SS TTS-EKU "Every day is an opportunity disguised as a challenge" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:33:31 -0500 Subject: Nyc TD job From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Greetings; I just got an email from alan schuster, who is the owner for 37 east 37 arts. The new building that houses baryshnikov's studios and has three (?) other performing spaces. Here is what he emailed to me: Hi Steve, I am looking for a new TD. Needs to be young and agile they will be climbing a rope ladder to run a follow spot for "In the Heights" as well as have building responsibilities. The pay is $600- $800. depending on experience. Any recommendations would be most appreciated. thanks, alan website: http://www.37arts.net/ Interested folk can contact alan schuster at: alanschuster [at] 37arts.net I have been onsite during construction but I have not been back in the building since it opened so I know nothing other than it's location and where the nearest bars are. shelley -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: ACad vs. VW? Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:37:43 +0000 Message-Id: <20070220183743.OTTQ219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Chris Warner > Date: 2007/02/20 Tue AM 04:18:16 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: ACad vs. VW? > The biggest obstacle you will find is locating where tools are. > Somethings are very similar, however are are some things that I REALLY > like about ACAD. But again, learning where things are will be your > biggest stumbling block. The first thing to do is to read the manual. Not to learn all of it, but to be aware of what it is capable of doing. Then, use it, remembering its capabilities. When you want to use them, look up the more recondite features. This advice goes for all technical equipment. When I light a show, most of the time all I do is push up faders, and when I like the look, tell the board to remember it. If I want to do something more complicated, I look it up. Drawing programs are the same. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DB41DF.7090905 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:45:51 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Moulin Swing References: In-Reply-To: frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > At a height of 7', you may fall foul of Health and Safety rules. Check with your AHJ. Well, I can't say for all jurisdictions, but I know in Ontario it wouldn't be a problem. The OSHA explicitly exempts performers from fall protection. I mean, really, can you see Cirque du Soleil performing in full fall arrest gear??? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:52:54 +0000 Message-Id: <20070220185254.YCFD29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Bill Nelson" > Date: 2007/02/20 Tue AM 09:29:56 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > Personally, I would keep wireless solutions as last choice options. But I see no > reason to toss them out without knowing more about the constraints of the person's > project. In principle, I agree with Bill. But the prospect of trying to cable up five blocks appalls me. The labour and cable costs will be mind-blowing. Also, I don't know if the concept of 'wayleaves' exists with you. Many years ago, we subscribed to a primitive cable radio service. Every year, they solemnly sent us a cheque for one shilling (5p; about ten cents)for the privilege of running their cables on our house. Of course, we paid them for their service. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:55:40 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: First Gig At 12:25 PM -0500 2/20/07, joreth [at] techie.com wrote: > I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions from you veterans out > there and even from any newbies who *have* worked their first pro > gig and wish someone had told them something before they started > that maybe I left out. Rule #1: Listen. To. Your. Department. Head. And. Follow. Instructions. (even if you think you know a better way) Rule #2: When in doubt, Ask. Rule #3: Refer to Rules #1 & 2 often. I'd modify item #4 in "gig ettiquette" slightly; if it's your absolute first time working for Employer X (whomever cuts the checks, not whomever fills the calls), even if it *isn't* your first working gig, show up a half-hour early and bring a Xerox copy of your driving license and Social Security Card (for US crew; for other countries, use whatever payroll identification documents are appropriate). If you have to do new-hire payroll paperwork, you've now got ample time and documentation to do it correctly, without impinging on the actual Work Call. And if you don't have to do the paper dance, you still look good to the Money People. All in all, though, it's a pretty good list. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Some say the glass is half empty. Some say the glass is half full. I say the glass is too big. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:56:44 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: First Gig At 1:25 PM -0500 2/20/07, SS wrote: >The only piece of advice/criticism would be to lose the foul language. Agreed. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Anytime you hear businessmen debating "which policy is better for America", don't bend over. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Moulin Swing Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:16:04 +0000 Message-Id: <20070220191604.KBUC17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Jim Hyslop > Date: 2007/02/20 Tue PM 06:45:51 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Moulin Swing > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > > At a height of 7', you may fall foul of Health and Safety rules. Check with your AHJ. > > Well, I can't say for all jurisdictions, but I know in Ontario it > wouldn't be a problem. The OSHA explicitly exempts performers from fall > protection. I mean, really, can you see Cirque du Soleil performing in > full fall arrest gear??? No, I can't. But what I read here suggests that some US AHJs are somewhat unreasonable. The BBC safety handbook requires fall protection when working on a platform over 6' high. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Message-id: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:24:40 -0500 Subject: re: Upson Board From: "Alan Bryson" Well, i dunno if this is appropriate for your needs, but i have discovered that some vinyl floorings are great wall surfaces and some take paint wonderfully. . .they're no good if someone leans on them, or hits 'em from behind, but will readily take a curve. . .if your walls are less than 12', this could be a good-- and cheap--alternative for you. . .make a wide top-profile, and dart the excess at top--bingo. alan bryson Technical Director Furman University Theatre Arts Department ------------------------------ Subject: ETC Link Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:14:04 -0600 Message-ID: From: "David Fox" Cc: amorehouse [at] gmail.com Andy; Forgive the delay in my reply as I have been wading through drafting, and tool and platform posts. ETC Link is a communication protocol between Sensor CEM dimmers and ETC consoles to provide Dimmer feedback and information. What you may be thinking of is ETC Net. ETC Net has been through several versions, each having its own set of functions. Expression 3 consoles are native Net 1 Devises. This means the Network connection on the back of the console will allow the following: - Connection between console and Remote Video Interface (RVI) device - Connection between 2 similar consoles to create a redundant tracking backup system. DMX in allows a console to receive a DMX signal from another console and use it to control channels within the console. This is used in situations where you may want to pass data from one desk to another or use your primary desk to control your system while passing data from a secondary source. Recently I assisted someone in running their Hog ( which was running moving fixtures) through their Expression 3 running their conventionals on a shared universe. It is pretty straight forward to do and I am happy to talk you through it. If you are looking to use 2 desks together to control a single universe of DMX without adding a merger or prioritizer, this might be a good solution. Please contact me off list and I am happy to explain it in greater detail and assist in finding a good solution. David Fox Electronic Theatre Controls Technical Support Manager Direct Toll Free 888-908-2193 Direct 608-824-5056=20 >We are currently using an ETC Expression 3 with 3 DMX universes in our theatre. As >part of a showcase, we would like to add an additional Expression 3 on stage. Is > there a way to give both consoles control with a minimum number of cables? I'm >unfamiliar with the abilities of ETCNet, and/or the DMX In feature on these >consoles. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:38:51 -0600 From: Robert Johnson Subject: RE: Upson Board In-reply-to: Reply-to: rojohnso [at] cord.edu Message-id: <005101c7552f$21892b50$6b79818a [at] THE6266> Organization: Concordia College I to have used Vinyl flooring. Never as walls but that is a interesting idea. In this case I am looking to face 8" platforms that are circles. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Alan Bryson Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:25 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Upson Board For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Well, i dunno if this is appropriate for your needs, but i have discovered that some vinyl floorings are great wall surfaces and some take paint wonderfully. . .they're no good if someone leans on them, or hits 'em from behind, but will readily take a curve. . .if your walls are less than 12', this could be a good-- and cheap--alternative for you. . .make a wide top-profile, and dart the excess at top--bingo. alan bryson Technical Director Furman University Theatre Arts Department ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:54:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Welding aluminum & welder recommendations Message-ID: <141749.71283.qm [at] web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As I was welding today, I thought of a couple of additions to the recent welding topics. re: welding aluminum: Someone mentioned that it should be cut with a dry cold cut saw and cleaned with a stainless steel wire brush. If that brush is used on steel, it is then contaminated and shouldn't be used with aluminum. Does this mean that the cold cut saw should have a blade dedicated to aluminum to prevent contamination from steel cut with the same blade? re: welder recommendations: When I purchased our Millermatic 210, we chopped off the stove plug that came with it and put a L14-30 twist plug on in it's place. The reason for this was originally because we have a sound power distro box fitted with the same connectors. Between the power distro, the 9 company switches around the building, camlock cables and extension cords I can take the welder just about anywhere in the building. I also have a prebuilt supply of extension cords to run from the outlet installed in the tool room. Since then I have found another advantage to this plug- it seems that it would be harder to electrocute yourself with the L14-30 than the standard stove plug. Yes, I know of someone that did that. He was having difficulty unplugging the stove plug for a welder from an extension cord. After unplugging it partially, it stuck so he tried to get a better grip. In doing so, his thumb touched one blade and a finger touched another. Fortunately he was OK but his hand tingled for the rest of the night. Just something to consider. I know that I will definitely think about it if I purchase welding equipment for any other organizations. Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:00:20 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Nyc TD job In-Reply-To: References:

On 2/20/07, Steve Shelley wrote: > Hi Steve, I am looking for a new TD. Needs to be young and agile they will > be climbing a rope ladder to run a follow spot for "In the Heights" as well > as have building responsibilities. The pay is $600- $800. depending on > experience. Any recommendations would be most > appreciated. thanks, alan > I have been onsite during construction but I have not been back in the > building since it opened so I know nothing other than it's location and > where the nearest bars are. For that kind of money in NYC you won't be able to afford to go to the nearest bars. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DB75A0.5010406 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:26:40 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Welding aluminum & welder recommendations References: In-Reply-To: Michael Heinicke wrote: > As I was welding today, I thought of a couple of > additions to the recent welding topics. > > re: welding aluminum: > Someone mentioned that it should be cut with a dry > cold cut saw and cleaned with a stainless steel wire > brush. If that brush is used on steel, it is then > contaminated and shouldn't be used with aluminum. Does > this mean that the cold cut saw should have a blade > dedicated to aluminum to prevent contamination from > steel cut with the same blade? I would Not recommend a cold saw for cutting aluminum at all, the blade will still have oil residue all over it, and the tooth geometry is wrong without coolant. Use a wood working power miter box, preferably with a blade for non-ferrous metals, but any blade good for hardwoods will do fine. In this vein, when prepping the Aluminum, use a zirconia flap wheel or something similar. Do not use an aluminum oxide grinding wheel, it will force Al Oxide particles into the surface, exactly the opposite of your desires. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:00:15 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Nyc TD job At 5:00 PM -0500 2/20/07, Brian Munroe wrote: >> Hi Steve, I am looking for a new TD. Needs to be young and agile they will >> be climbing a rope ladder to run a follow spot for "In the Heights" as well >> as have building responsibilities. The pay is $600- $800. depending on >> experience. Any recommendations would be most >> appreciated. thanks, alan >> I have been onsite during construction but I have not been back in the >> building since it opened so I know nothing other than it's location and >> where the nearest bars are. > > For that kind of money in NYC you won't be able to afford to go to the > nearest bars. IIRC, for that kind of money you won't even be able to park anywhere near the nearest bars. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I don't really think we gave barbarism a fair try. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2786.205.215.253.2.1172012737.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:05:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Nyc TD job From: "Bill Nelson" >> For that kind of money in NYC you won't be able to afford to go to the >> nearest bars. > > IIRC, for that kind of money you won't even be able to park anywhere > near the nearest bars. For that kind of money, the TD would have to sublease sleeping space in a cardboard shipping carton in Central Park. But maybe he/she will be allowed to just spread their sleeping bag out on one of the follow spot platforms. :-} Bill ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:21:53 EST Subject: Re: Nyc TD job << Pay is $600- 800. >> We don't know if that's per month, week, or hour. If it's weekly, it's enough to live in NJ and commute. Kristi

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Subject: RE: [BULK] First Gig Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:32:13 -0700 Message-ID: <00f401c75547$5d5d40e0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Hurrah! I like this. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:43 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: [BULK] First Gig For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > As I said, I'm trying to keep it somewhat streamlined, and > it's already pretty long, so I can't promise I'll take > everyone's suggestions, but unlike a sound engineer ... I > like feedback ;-) Good work...but yeah, it's pretty long already! I find that one of the things I'm constantly trying to remind my students is how to balance deference towards those who've been around more, vs. completely being a wallflower. I'd love to see a few "top commandments" or something, and would offer two suggestions: 1: Trust your instincts. You know more than you think you do. 2: Keep your ears and eyes open. You know less than you want to think you do. I'd also add... 3: Remember that the most important piece of safety equipment is carried between your ears. Format-wise...how 'bout linking to separate (pop-up?) pages for the basic skills and tricks section, so that the whole isn't too daunting to the newbies? That way they can focus on that at their leisure. HTH ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Moulin Swing Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:32:13 -0700 Message-ID: <00f901c75547$5f438d10$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: To say that I am amazed would be putting it mildly. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hyslop Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:46 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Moulin Swing For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > At a height of 7', you may fall foul of Health and Safety rules. Check with your AHJ. Well, I can't say for all jurisdictions, but I know in Ontario it wouldn't be a problem. The OSHA explicitly exempts performers from fall protection. I mean, really, can you see Cirque du Soleil performing in full fall arrest gear??? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: First Gig Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:32:13 -0700 Message-ID: <010a01c75547$6331b730$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Excellent advice, as I have, sad to say, found on some risk assessments and law suits, that many, many venues pay in cash, no records, and thus when it comes to finding out who was present in a incident, injury, etc. there is no traceability. Gosh, who knew? Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rigger Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:56 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: First Gig For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- At 12:25 PM -0500 2/20/07, joreth [at] techie.com wrote: > I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions from you veterans out > there and even from any newbies who *have* worked their first pro > gig and wish someone had told them something before they started > that maybe I left out. Rule #1: Listen. To. Your. Department. Head. And. Follow. Instructions. (even if you think you know a better way) Rule #2: When in doubt, Ask. Rule #3: Refer to Rules #1 & 2 often. I'd modify item #4 in "gig ettiquette" slightly; if it's your absolute first time working for Employer X (whomever cuts the checks, not whomever fills the calls), even if it *isn't* your first working gig, show up a half-hour early and bring a Xerox copy of your driving license and Social Security Card (for US crew; for other countries, use whatever payroll identification documents are appropriate). If you have to do new-hire payroll paperwork, you've now got ample time and documentation to do it correctly, without impinging on the actual Work Call. And if you don't have to do the paper dance, you still look good to the Money People. All in all, though, it's a pretty good list. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Some say the glass is half empty. Some say the glass is half full. I say the glass is too big. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: First Gig Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:32:13 -0700 Message-ID: <011101c75547$643592a0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Or back into the room. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rigger Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:57 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: First Gig For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- At 1:25 PM -0500 2/20/07, SS wrote: >The only piece of advice/criticism would be to lose the foul language. Agreed. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Anytime you hear businessmen debating "which policy is better for America", don't bend over. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DB8510.8050008 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:32:32 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling purposes References: In-Reply-To: Bill Schaffner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have a desire to tour with a video camera and a tv monitor in order > to more properly see the stage for show calling purposes when > theatres don't have such technology in place; the camera would be > placed FOH on the balcony rail or other FOH position, the monitor > would be at my SM position. > > Question: how can I reasonably expect to get the signal carried from > the camera to the monitor? > > 1. via an FOH lighting circuit and the FOH transfer panel backstage? > > 2. via an FOH sound circuit from the balcony rail? > > 3. via a really long cable that I have to install every time? 4. Buy a wireless security camera/monitor kit. 5. Buy video -> CAT5 converters and use ethernet ports at the balcony rail and backstage. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <285ca8df0702201536u2f13895s84a060d57b0211ef [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:36:58 -0600 From: "Schuyler Silva" Subject: Metamorphoses Pool heating My name is Schuyler Silva and I am currently the Technical Director for Metamorphoses at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. I am writing because I am trying to find a solution to the pool heating issue within the play. The pool within the design is roughly 25'x20' for a surface area of about 500 and will hold 4000-5000 gallons of water. The pool needs to be heated as actors play in and around the water. I have looked into different ways to heat the pool including heat pumps (electrically ran rather than with natural gas or propane). There are two inherent problems with this. The first is the cost. The cheapest one I have found to meet my needs (100,000BTUs) is $2000. The second problem is that they are loud. It is essentially a large air conditioning unit working in reverse. This problem can be averted by running it during the downtime. If anyone has done Metamorphoses in the past, or for that matter, any show with a sizable pool that has been heated, I would love to know what your solution was. If anyone has any ideas on how they might approach the situation, please feel free to comment. Also, if by chance you have a 100,000BTU heat pump for a pool you would like to loan out, I would love to hear from you. Thank you for your time and input. Schuyler Silva SchuylerSilva2 [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DB8634.5090308 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:37:24 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: USITT Pheonix: share ride from airport hotels? References: In-Reply-To: Scott Parker wrote: > I'll probably be staying near the airport and I'm wondering if anyone > else will be either taking a cab daily or renting a car. I'd certainly > consider splitting the cost of either. Anyone?? >> From what the hotels tell me, the cabs would be between $12-$18 each > way. I've found rental cars for $26 +/- per day, plus parking near the > conference. > I will be coming in from the suburbs right past the airport. I would be willing to pick people up from the airport motels for a carpool. I can fit 4 + me. The cab $ is probably right, especially with tip. Parking downtown is slightly expensive, but you can get close to the Convention Center. Chip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:36:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Alternatives to Upson board From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mine comes from the lumber yard with whom I do my normal lumber business. They get it from a distribution warehouse in Buffalo - I believe it is the Weyerhauser distribution center there. Steve R On 2/20/07 12:56 PM, "Robert Johnson" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Anyone know where to get the stuff in the US. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DB8C51.5060501 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:03:29 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: First Gig References: In-Reply-To: joreth [at] techie.com wrote: > http://www.stagehandtees.com/firstgig.html Have you got something goofy on that page? I can see your stagehandtees.com OK, but the Firstgig stuff crashes Firefox and Netscape every time... Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DB8A74.4000200 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:55:32 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: **JUNK** Re: Lumber References:

In-Reply-To: David B. Nelson wrote: > This sounds amazingly silly. A clear case of form over substance. > Do folks in other countries really walk into their lumberyard and ask > for a "2440mm by 1220mm" sheet of plywood? Or even for a "2.4m x > 1.2m" sheet of plywood? Keeping the size basically the same and > changing the units is nuts. Silly, perhaps. But it's not form over substance - it's backwards compatibility. Keep in mind what happened when converting from imperial to metric. You'd have a stock of flats and risers, all based on the magical 4' x 8' measurements. If the lumber yards said they were going to change the size to, say, 1.2m by 2.4m, you'd scream bloody murder: your entire stock is now useless. You'll have to junk it all, and rebuild everything, because your sheets are now going to be about 3/4" too small to fit your frames. Now, consider that the construction industry is FAR more dependent on those measurements: just about the entire industry is based on the magic size "4 feet by 8 feet". Consider the amount of stink they're going to raise. Also consider what happens after the conversion. Suppose a tree falls down and damages the roof, and you want to replace the 4'x8' sheet of plywood. Oops - no good, the new sheet is the wrong size, it ain't gonna fit. So, in the end, what's going to be accepted more easily by everybody: a piece of wood that's the same physical size but has a weird dimension, or new lumber that is completely incompatible with the old? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DB8E91.40402 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:13:05 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating References: In-Reply-To: Schuyler Silva wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > My name is Schuyler Silva and I am currently the Technical Director > for Metamorphoses at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. > I am writing because I am trying to find a solution to the pool > heating issue within the play. The pool within the design is roughly > 25'x20' for a surface area of about 500 and will hold 4000-5000 > gallons of water. The pool needs to be heated as actors play in and > around the water. I have looked into different ways to heat the pool > including heat pumps (electrically ran rather than with natural gas or > propane). There are two inherent problems with this. The first is > the cost. The cheapest one I have found to meet my needs > (100,000BTUs) is $2000. The second problem is that they are loud. It > is essentially a large air conditioning unit working in reverse. This > problem can be averted by running it during the downtime. > > If anyone has done Metamorphoses in the past, or for that matter, any > show with a sizable pool that has been heated, I would love to know > what your solution was. If anyone has any ideas on how they might > approach the situation, please feel free to comment. Also, if by > chance you have a 100,000BTU heat pump for a pool you would like to > loan out, I would love to hear from you. > > Thank you for your time and input. > > Schuyler Silva > SchuylerSilva2 [at] gmail.com > Are you aware that you are talking about 37,000 pounds of water here? What is under this pool? As far as heating it goes, INSULATE, Insulate, insulate!! between the box and the liner put 4-6 Inches of styrofoam board insulation. Put a cover over the pool as soon as you can after the show and leave it on as long as you can. Perhaps just a gang of regular 40-60 gallon electrical water heaters? If you do not want to run the pool water through the water heaters, run a loop of heated water through a hose in the bottom of the pool or under the liner? Stuart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:59:24 -0500 Subject: Re: First Gig From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > As I said, I'm trying to keep it somewhat streamlined, and it's already pretty > long, so I can't promise I'll take everyone's suggestions, but unlike a sound > engineer ... I like feedback ;-) > > http://www.stagehandtees.com/firstgig.html > In the education section I would add that you should never utter the phrase, "At my school we always....." that was the kiss of death. Nobody cares how you did it at school, here we do it this way. Just watch and do or if you need to, ask to be shown. But don't tell the experienced crew how to do things. I would also think about including in the female stagehands section; Don't assume a person cant do a job just because of their size or gender (or age). And something about growing a thick skin, ladies in this buisness cant go and get offended every time there is an off color joke or sexist remark. Those who say such things are not interested in changing and those who do not say such things will respect you so much more if you ignore those remarks and focus on the job. Merel Ray-Pfeifer ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DB8B7C.9090503 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:59:56 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Open Office Draw References:

In-Reply-To: Kim Hartshorn wrote: > See you in Phoenix! Which teams play spring ball in phoenix? > Below is the Cactus League, they all play each other and there are 3-4 games in Phoenix each day. Besides that, we have the best NBA team, the Suns, playing at home that weekend. They however are always sold out. > Anaheim Angels Arizona Diamondbacks Chicago Cubs Chicago White Sox Colorado Rockies Kansas City Royals Milwaukee Brewers Oakland Athletics San Diego Padres San Francisco Giants Seattle Mariners Texas Rangers Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: <285ca8df0702201601x68e7fda4ub72b8ec948c91947 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:01:40 -0600 From: "Schuyler Silva" Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating In-Reply-To: References:

The weight has been evaluated and is not an issue. Thank you for your other suggestions, they have been noted. On 2/20/07, Stuart Wheaton wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Schuyler Silva wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > My name is Schuyler Silva and I am currently the Technical Director > > for Metamorphoses at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. > > I am writing because I am trying to find a solution to the pool > > heating issue within the play. The pool within the design is roughly > > 25'x20' for a surface area of about 500 and will hold 4000-5000 > > gallons of water. The pool needs to be heated as actors play in and > > around the water. I have looked into different ways to heat the pool > > including heat pumps (electrically ran rather than with natural gas or > > propane). There are two inherent problems with this. The first is > > the cost. The cheapest one I have found to meet my needs > > (100,000BTUs) is $2000. The second problem is that they are loud. It > > is essentially a large air conditioning unit working in reverse. This > > problem can be averted by running it during the downtime. > > > > If anyone has done Metamorphoses in the past, or for that matter, any > > show with a sizable pool that has been heated, I would love to know > > what your solution was. If anyone has any ideas on how they might > > approach the situation, please feel free to comment. Also, if by > > chance you have a 100,000BTU heat pump for a pool you would like to > > loan out, I would love to hear from you. > > > > Thank you for your time and input. > > > > Schuyler Silva > > SchuylerSilva2 [at] gmail.com > > > > Are you aware that you are talking about 37,000 pounds of water here? > What is under this pool? > > As far as heating it goes, INSULATE, Insulate, insulate!! between the > box and the liner put 4-6 Inches of styrofoam board insulation. Put a > cover over the pool as soon as you can after the show and leave it on as > long as you can. Perhaps just a gang of regular 40-60 gallon electrical > water heaters? If you do not want to run the pool water through the > water heaters, run a loop of heated water through a hose in the bottom > of the pool or under the liner? > > Stuart > > ------------------------------ From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:41:58 EST Subject: Re: ETC Link In a message dated 2/20/2007 3:14:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _david.fox [at] etcconnect.com_ (mailto:david.fox [at] etcconnect.com) writes: DMX in allows a console to receive a DMX signal from another console and use it to control channels within the console. This is used in situations where you may want to pass data from one desk to another or use your primary desk to control your system while passing data from a secondary source. Recently I assisted someone in running their Hog ( which was running moving fixtures) through their Expression 3 running their conventionals on a shared universe... In this situation, does 1 console act like a master or have some other way to trigger cues on the other console? Or would there be 2 operators?

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Check out free AOL at http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070220194823.033a2d78 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:52:54 -0500 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating In-Reply-To: References: Hi Schuyler, We did Metamorphoses last year. Our solution was to insulate the pool, then Drain about half of it and refill it with fresh HOT water each day. I think our pool was about 3500 galons. As I recall, it took several hours each day. To reach the electrics, we hung unistrut with 2 cars in it, and focused (and replaced lamps) from a Bosun's Chair. Big FUN!!! >My name is Schuyler Silva and I am currently the Technical Director >for Metamorphoses at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. >I am writing because I am trying to find a solution to the pool >heating issue within the play. The pool within the design is roughly >25'x20' for a surface area of about 500 and will hold 4000-5000 >gallons of water. ... >Thank you for your time and input. > >Schuyler Silva >SchuylerSilva2 [at] gmail.com ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Subject: RE: First Gig Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:03:32 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07797177 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net > Have you got something goofy on that page? I can see your=20 > stagehandtees.com OK, but the Firstgig stuff crashes Firefox=20 > and Netscape every time... That's odd...I read it on Firefox just fine. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2863.205.215.253.2.1172020415.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:13:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling purposes From: "Bill Nelson" > Question: how can I reasonably expect to get the signal carried from > the camera to the monitor? In one of the venues where I work, we did it on the cheap. We used a wireless home security camera system. The picture is not high quality, but is adequate for our use. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980702201724m6e752ef9xc3c988a6cc33621e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:24:29 -0500 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: USITT Pheonix: share ride from airport hotels? In-Reply-To: References:

I called Phoenix yellow cab 602-252-5252 and they gave me a price of $9 each way. -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20070220173804.018c58a0 [at] uci.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:49:38 -0800 From: Ron Cargile Subject: Australia banning incandescents Sorry if someone has asked this already, I'm a digester.... I just read on CNN online the Australia is banning incandescent bulbs. (Timely to recent discussions, huh?) I'm curious to know how the law affect the entertainment industry. Does the ban include everyone or just residences? Inquiring minds wanna know... ....Ron ---- Ron Cargile ME, Univ of Calif, Irvine (via digest) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00d101c7555b$18bca6b0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: Nyc TD job Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:53:32 -0800 > > << Pay is $600- 800. >> > > We don't know if that's per month, week, or hour. > Waddarya talkin about?? That's for the summer season. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: Student scenic artist looking for work in New England this In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199717.10848.qm [at] web50612.mail.yahoo.com> The Cape Playhouse, Dennis, Ma. is a great place to play and learn during the summer. They pay and have housing and is definitely in New England. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: Scholorship up for grabs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <457395.33357.qm [at] web50602.mail.yahoo.com> The Cape Playhouse is looking for applicants for its Helen Pond & Herbert Senn Scholorship. If anyone can think of any theatre students that would be a good candidate please direct the to the website and they can get all the info there. Sorry I don't know what the website is, but a simple google search will pull it up. I recieved a call from their business office last week wondering if I knew of anybody, so I think they are looking. Heay, money is money, and free money is even better. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DBAFEA.9010407 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:35:22 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: First Gig References: In-Reply-To: Ray-Pfeifer, Merel wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > And something about growing a thick skin, ladies in this buisness cant go > and get offended every time there is an off color joke or sexist remark. > Those who say such things are not interested in changing and those who do > not say such things will respect you so much more if you ignore those > remarks and focus on the job. And on the flip side, men should develop a thick skin about women being as good or better. Don't sulk or get pissy just because that "little girl" can sling more weight than you can. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DBBBA0.9050700 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:25:20 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: **JUNK** Re: Moulin Swing References:

In-Reply-To: RD wrote: > To say that I am amazed would be putting it mildly. Doom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hyslop > Well, I can't say for all jurisdictions, but I know in Ontario it > wouldn't be a problem. The OSHA explicitly exempts performers from fall > protection. I mean, really, can you see Cirque du Soleil performing in > full fall arrest gear??? I've been thinking about this. I took a training course called "The Basics of Fall Prevention", sanctioned by the WSIB. The instructor of the course mentioned in particular a high-dive act at Canada's Wonderland, a theme park near Toronto. Now, I just had a quick look through Ontario's OHSA and related regulations, and I didn't actually see anything that exempted performers. I wonder if Canada's Wonderland got a specific exemption for that stunt. I'm going to look into this some more and try to find real answers. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) Subject: Re: First Gig Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 03:29:21 +0000 Message-Id: <022120070329.23678.45DBBC910004BE7000005C7E2207300033010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Stephen Litterst > And on the flip side, men should develop a thick skin about women being > as good or better. Don't sulk or get pissy just because that "little > girl" can sling more weight than you can. Since July I've been doing rigging installs for Fisher Theatrical. At the company Christmas party my wife met some of my co workers. The next day she commented "Some of the ladies you work with have quite the firm handshake." I replied "Honey, they lift the same steel I do." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9e6bc3f30702201939y5a68a0efk5cec49c172239242 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:39:47 -0600 From: "Kent Laue" Reply-To: klaue2 [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Scholorship up for grabs In-Reply-To: References:

This may as well as be a good thread to ask. Does anyone on the list know of more non-school specific scholarships like this one? ~Kent On 2/20/07, b Ricie wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The Cape Playhouse is looking for applicants for its > Helen Pond & Herbert Senn Scholorship. If anyone can > think of any theatre students that would be a good > candidate please direct the to the website and they > can get all the info there. Sorry I don't know what > the website is, but a simple google search will pull > it up. I recieved a call from their business office > last week wondering if I knew of anybody, so I think > they are looking. Heay, money is money, and free money > is even better. > > > Brian Rice > 508-685-0716 > b_ricie [at] yahoo.com > "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the > light." > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:42:03 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <785442.22651.qm [at] web84013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm using an ETC Express 24 channel board with a problem. Channel 1 doesn't control the dimmer assigned to it. The lamp is good as well as the dimmer (when patched into another channel the light responds). I checked to make sure there were no profiles set for the channel that would affect operation and could find nothing. In Set-Up it says either "Park Enabled" or Parked Dimmers (wish I wrote it down). Are there any other explanations to this issue or could the fader be bad? Al Fitch Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070220232832.03271d20 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:31:41 -0500 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work In-Reply-To: References:

Al, In [Stage] look for the Softkey for [Park]. Then on the screen you'll see channel one is parked. Select it and it will tell you how to un-park it. -Ford >I'm using an ETC Express 24 channel board with a >problem.... >In Set-Up it says either "Park Enabled" or Parked >Dimmers (wish I wrote it down). ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:43:50 -0800 (PST) From: jon weaver Subject: Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling purposes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <401578.75682.qm [at] web43123.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I have worked at a road house for some time and seen many groups come in with this issue. most just mount a camera on the back of the sound board. ( visibility is usually good there.) then run a long BNC cable to the SM consle back stage. It's strate forward and simple. (less to go wrong) -Jon --- Bill Schaffner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have a desire to tour with a video camera and a tv > monitor in order > to more properly see the stage for show calling > purposes when > theatres don't have such technology in place; the > camera would be > placed FOH on the balcony rail or other FOH > position, the monitor > would be at my SM position. > > Question: how can I reasonably expect to get the > signal carried from > the camera to the monitor? > > 1. via an FOH lighting circuit and the FOH transfer > panel backstage? > > 2. via an FOH sound circuit from the balcony rail? > > 3. via a really long cable that I have to install > every time? > > Obviously, if the camera were in a booth, there > would be more > likelihood of an existing appropriate line. > > also, is it reasonable to expect that the video > signal will make it > there without amplification of some sort? > > Thanks for your thoughts... > > > William Schaffner > Production Stage Manager > Ballet Hispanico > 167 West 89th Street > New York, New York 10024 > Tel: 212 362 6710�� Fax: 212 362 7809 > Email: bschaffner [at] ballethispanico.org > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:01:21 EST Subject: Re: First Gig _joreth [at] techie.com_ (mailto:joreth [at] techie.com) writes << This is a male-dominated industry and it involves heavy manual labor and competent technical skills. >> This is one of the most sexist lines of bullshit I've ever read! Take your own advice and "get over [your] gender bias." Instead try this: "Stagecraft is physically demanding work. Don't be afraid to ask for help and be eager to offer it." <> Nah... we just think "What a stupid jerk! If he wants to do all the heavy lifting, we're more than willing to let him." You're list is far too long. 1. Show up at the right place, 15 minutes early, well rested/nourished, not under the influence of anything that can mess with your performance, and with everything you need including a complete change of clothes to stage blacks. Be prepared to stay as long as necessary. 2. Bring a multi-tool (E.g., Leatherman/Gerber), mini-mag or similar flashlight, leather palmed gloves, and an 8" C-wrench on a tether. Also bring a water bottle and small snacks. Bring something to carry all this on your body. 3. Ask the steward or department head to recommend someone to mentor you for the gig. Watch what they do and ask questions. When you're done with a task, ask for another to do. If you don't know with absolute certainty how to do something, ASK! 4. Refresh your knowledge of stage directions, basic knots (can you tie your shoelace correctly?), and any other stagecraft skills you have. 5. Play nice with everyone. Use your best manners. Keep conversations rated G. Smoke or use your cell phone only on breaks and in approved spaces. Keep a positive attitude. Have fun! Kristi

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