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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1146

 1. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own
    by William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>
 2. Re: Drafting Instruction Question
    by Al Fitch <fitchal [at] yahoo.com>
 3. Re: Drafting Instruction Question
    by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
 4. Re: Drafting Instruction Question
    by John McKernon <stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>
 5. Re: Government
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
 6. Re: Drafting Instruction Question
    by Kh97925 [at] aol.com
 7. Re: ETC...Link?
    by "Jeff Mabray" <mabray.stagecraft [at] verizon.net>
 8. Re: An announcement
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
 9. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
10. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
11. Re: Theatre Recomnedations
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
12. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
13. Re: Drafting Instruction Question
    by "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>
14. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
15. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
    by KEITH ARSENAULT <iaeg [at] aol.com>
16. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
17. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
18. Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
19. Re: Theatre Recomnedations
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
20. Re: Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
21. Re: Drafting Instruction Question
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
22. Re: Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
23. Re: building theatre recommendations
    by "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
24. Re: building theatre recommendations
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
25. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
    by "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
26. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
    by "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
27. Re: Drafting Instruction Question
    by "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
28. Re: Theatre Recommandations...
    by "Catherine Brumm" <ckybrumm [at] msn.com>
29. Re: Trip to Ca.
    by "Michael Powers" <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>

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From: William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>
Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:28:38 -0800


On Jan 29, 2007, at 11:24 AM, David Fox wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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>
> If memory serves the initial iteration of the list was with Brad Davis
> through Zinc.com. At least it was when I joined in 91. The move to  
> Inqou
> did not happen until the mid to early late 90's ( I wanna go out on a
> limb here and say 95)

Aaaah the good old days of Brad's list.  He took damn good care of  
it.  Remember when he got really busy and wasn't able to fix some  
sort of a list crash because he was buried working on a totally new  
breakthru technology that was going to change the way people  
communicate forever - the 56k modem? :)

When I first started getting email, it was about 1989 and right about  
the same time I found the stagecraft list.  I got my email, the list,  
and a selection of newsgroups over a telebit modem to my Mac Plus and  
MacIIci talking UUCP from a friend of my roommate who was a freelance  
software engineer.  He had a basement full of (at the time) crazy  
exotic *nix boxes running all manner of strange stuff, so of course  
he was a usenet archive site!  This is of course back when the entire  
usenet feed was about 25 to 30 megabytes, and having an archive/relay  
site poll it's upstream distributor once every 8 hours was a  
reasonable enough semblance of "instant" that those that used it  
thought they were practically traveling thru time to the future!

Dude...my first email addy had both the Bang sign *and* the Percent  
sign in it it was so *nix! (the true old skool geeks know what I'm  
referring to) :-)

>
> What is the oldest tool that you still own that you purchased new?

I didn't purchase this item but I can't help but mention it because  
I'm proud of it - I have my grandfather's Rapidograph pen and steel  
ink pot from his briefcase he carried to work as an engineer at  
Lockheed before I was born.  In school I drew a project or two with  
it just to, well, to connect I suppose.


I am SO off topic...

</nostalgic>

Willy McLachlan




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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:10:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Al Fitch <fitchal [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Drafting Instruction Question
In-Reply-To: <list-42507798 [at] prxy.net>


> 
> In your humbled opinions, have we reached the point
> where it can be said
> that, drafting can be taught while also
> simultaneously learning CAD?

I think that depends.  It depends on the student and
where they are and how they learn. And the ability of
the instructor to be able to teach both
silmulaneiously.  


> I am still of the belief that one should learn to
> hand draft to some level
> of proficiency prior to learning CAD. My reason for
> this is grounded in the
> reality that; CAD has a fairly steep learning curve
> for those first timers
> without compounding the level of difficulty by also
> attempting to cram in
> all those drafting standards and conventions at the
> same time.

I agree and disagree with the above.  In high school I
took Mechanical drawing for about 2 weeks.  I was
frustrated with my ability or lack thereof to draw
without making mistakes. The teacher was not equipped
to adjust his teaching methods AND I was not the
hardest working student.  Consequently I had no idea
that my future would depend on my ability to
draw/draft.

Fast forward to college.  I hated drafting for the
same reasons in high school.  I'd rather have learned
CAD so that I could produce good plans without
smudges.  I believe it is possible to learn the
conventions of drafting while learning CAD.  

> For isn't drafting one craft that should be learned
> and then the CAD
> software instruction to follow?  It only seems like
> a natural and logical
> progression to this humble stage crafter...

If today's students are so computer savvy and
proficient that a program such as CAD is not hard to
learn they will find it difficult to understand why
they are not learning that method.  

I think that an introduction to drafting, methods,
materials and conventions could go a long way in
merging the two forms of drafting within one class.

The problem is when a teacher waxes nostalgic for and
beleives the only way is the old-school way which
prevents them from adjusting their methods to achieve
the same goal.
  
> What's your thoughts?
> 
> Keep the replies in the context of instructing those
> of the high school or
> undergraduate level.

The instructor has to be able to communicate the
reason for learning how to draw with pencil and paper
in a contesxt that takes into account the fact that
the computer and CAD will not always be available and
convenient.


Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun.

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:16:59 -0800
From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
Subject: Re: Drafting Instruction Question
In-reply-to: <list-42507798 [at] prxy.net>
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David Stock wrote:
> I am still of the belief that one should learn to hand draft to some level
> of proficiency prior to learning CAD. My reason for this is grounded in the
> reality that; CAD has a fairly steep learning curve for those first timers
> without compounding the level of difficulty by also attempting to cram in
> all those drafting standards and conventions at the same time.
>
> For isn't drafting one craft that should be learned and then the CAD
> software instruction to follow?  It only seems like a natural and logical
> progression to this humble stage crafter...
>
> What's your thoughts?
>
> Keep the replies in the context of instructing those of the high school or
> undergraduate level.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stock, David Paul
> Art Direction & Production Designer
> 9610 Covered Wagon Dr. Apt D
> Laurel, MD 20723
> (H) 301-776-2120
> (C) 716-510-2016
> Website: davidpauldesigns.com
> Email: Dave [at] davidpauldesigns.com <mailto:Dave [at] davidpauldesigns.com

I think the question poses a false dichotomy (and I wondered how late in 
life I would ever be able to write that phrase... now I know)

My education included drafting because there was no such thing as CAD... 
I now think that with the available technology the sequence should be 
'Sketching" followed by CAD.

For most applications a good sketch is sufficient and when details get 
critical then do (CAD or manually drafted) dimensioned drawings as needed.

Carla
“Even if we accept as the basic tenet of true democracy that one moron 
is equal to one genius, is it necessary to go a further step and hold 
that two morons are better than one genius?” ~ Leo Szilard



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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:32:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Drafting Instruction Question
From: John McKernon <stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>
Message-ID: <C1FC8A4B.169A6%stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42507798 [at] prxy.net>

> In your humbled opinions, have we reached the point where it can be said
> that, drafting can be taught while also simultaneously learning CAD?

It's often easier teach drafting with a pencil first, because everybody
already knows how to use a pencil. That makes it easier to focus solely on
how to draft, as opposed to how to draw.

On the other hand, students these days may prefer to work on the computer
and may actually already know how to use one CAD program or another, in
which case the drafting part will come after the CAD part.

I use a combined approach in my VectorWorks class at NYU, but the students
there tend to already know a good bit about both VW and how to draft light
plots. Still, we work through the CAD tools and approaches while
simultaneously doing crits of the printed drafting, looking at and
discussing things like lineweights, page layout, and drawing organization.

- John



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Message-ID: <006701c752ae$2a9d5690$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP>
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
References: <list-42512428 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Government
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:10:35 -1000

<<Apparently a NY senator agrees with you. He is
introducing a bill to make it illegal to use a
crosswalk while on the phone or listening to music.>>

This seems to go hand in hand with the California Bozo's reported bill to
ban incandescent light bulbs. I'm sorry... but I just want to take my
government by the neck and shake it... telling it "Stop it already... you're
done... no more laws or rules. Just enforce the ones you have."

Here our state legislature had over 2000 bills submitted for consideration
this session.

Please...

C'mon... I, for one,  am so tired of the various governing bodies on so many
different levels intruding further and deeper into my life.

One famous bill from years ago was one that would have made it a law that
government employees have time allotted during the day to take naps.

<<An article in the Oregonian a
couple of days ago said that in 2004, .2% of accidents were
attributed to being on the phone while in 2005, .7% received that
blame.  Half of one percent doesn't sound like much, but it is a
statistically significant change and one worth looking at. >>

According to this thinking, is there "any" percentage that would not be
"statistically significant"? I have grown weary as well of statistics being
used to support a position.

Since 1964, 85.9% to 94.3% of all statistics have been fabricated.

Probably gonna get some heat from these ones.

Laters,

Paul

"I'm getting on Ed's case" Tom said raggedly.


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From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <ce2.9c65732.330886ea [at] aol.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:27:22 EST
Subject: Re: Drafting Instruction Question

I have a daughter who is a freshman lighting designer in the Design &  
Production program at NCSA, and she will take hand-drafting for 2 years.   She will 
start taking CAD in parallel next year.  The Tech program at her  high school 
was more predominantly focused (no pun intended) on hands-on work  than on the 
more abstract aspects of design.  This isn't a knock at the TD  or the 
program, he had to get the tech students up to speed quickly because it's  a 
performing arts magnet school and they stage about 5 mainstage shows a year in  
addition to 2 dance shows and some band, orchestra, and chorus  performances.
Plus he was a new teacher and wasn't given much of a curriculum  to work from.

Anyway, after 2-3 years he had enough upper classmen  trained & they were 
mentoring the incoming students so he could start to  introduce things like 
drafting.  

It's a whole lot cheaper and  easier to sit 25 students down at desks or flat 
tables with paper & a basic  drafting tool set than it is to pop into the 
principal's office mid-year with a  requisition for 5-10 computers, a B-size 
printer, and 5-10 copies of Auto-CAD,  Vectorworks, or WYSIWYG.  It's also easier 
to teach the basics of line  weight & style, symbols, and keep track of what 
all the kids are doing when  their work is laying flat on the table rather than 
tipped up on a screen.   Plus, even if a drawing is generated in CAD it is 
often printed for distribution  so the students still have to know how to read a 
scaled drawing & transfer  measurements accurately for construction.  (Think 
Stonehenge in "Spinal  Tap")

All that being said, he has had a few years to get his feet  under him and 
his program has established a good reputation as his students get  recognized in 
competitions for best sets, best lighting, best costumes, and  students go on 
to places like NCSA, Cal Arts, Boston  Conservatory.

He recently found a grant program to promote  increased use of technology in 
education, so he wrote a proposal to get  Vectorworks & WYSIWYG, based on 
their prevalence in the industry and the  ability to use their visualizer  
capabilities to teach things like  automated lighting without spending big $ on real 
fixtures & a super  whiz-bang console.  So now he has the best of both worlds. 
 He teaches  hand-drafting to the incoming underclass & holds out the 
computer stuff out  as a carrot to get them to want to do well.

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:10:39 -0600
From: "Jeff Mabray" <mabray.stagecraft [at] verizon.net>
Subject: RE: ETC...Link?
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What are you looking for the additional console to do?

Expressions are not a native ETC Net2 or 3 device.  To have them both =
control what is going on, you will need some sort of merger to merge the =
DMX signals and get them to control what you want.

Let us know more about what you want to do with the sceond console and =
we can try to help you more...

Jeff




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Morehouse
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:28 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: ETC...Link?


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We are currently using an ETC Expression 3 with 3 DMX universes in our
theatre. As part of a showcase, we would like to add an additional
Expression 3 on stage. Is there a way to give both consoles control
with a minimum number of cables? I'm unfamiliar with the abilities of
ETCNet, and/or the DMX In feature on these consoles.

--=20
Andy Morehouse
765.661.9706



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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:59:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: An announcement
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> Ah well.  Guess it's better that I get all my mistakes over with early on,
> eh?
>
> <www.NATEAC.org> is the correct site.

Note that the web site itself says to write to: info [at] NATEAC.com with questions.

Bill


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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:05:41 +0000
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> 
> From: KEITH ARSENAULT <iaeg [at] aol.com>
> Date: 2007/02/16 Fri PM 09:41:15 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> a foil, hitting a competitors shoulder blade ( he had turned into the  
> strike ) and the foil breaking, causing a sharp point where the break  
> was, continued on to pierce his heart and killed him instantly.
> 
It can happen. A broken foil, epee or sabre is fully lethal. This is why, when I arrange a fight, I always make sure that the combatants know to stop immediately. I also have in place a procedure for getting a new blade quickly. There is usually someone else on stage with a sword.
 

Frank Wood

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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:20:32 +0000
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> 
> From: KEITH ARSENAULT <iaeg [at] aol.com>
> Date: 2007/02/16 Fri PM 09:43:49 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> this two handed style of sword play is probably the most dangerous  
> sort of fighting you can do on stage in my opinion,
> 
> there were nicks on the hands to be certain, , but the real damage  
> was suffered by scenery, , ,
> 
It all depends on the fight being precisely choreographed and rehearsed. Not all directors know to allow reherasal time for this. Also, actors occasionally get carried away.

When I did the fights for the Scottish play, the swords were made from about three feet of 2" x 3/8" mild steel bar, and the worst you could have got was a severe bruise. Nonetheless, the lead actor got a split lip from having the edge of his shield driven into it. The shields were of laminated wood, and the edges splintered when struck. It looked spectacular, and nobody could doubt that the sword-strokes were being delivered for real.


Frank Wood

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:23:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

>  I suggest that these need stored well away from the stage. I was once in a High
> School, where I taught stage lighting. When I visited the get-in of a show, there
> were two students STANDING on the lid, painting a flat, with cans of paint on it.
> This is no way to treat an 8' Steinway grand.

Not always possible to do. I work in a space that has a grand piano. The only places
to store it are on stage, in the shallow USR wings under the company switch or in
the rather small attached "shop". To move it anywhere else would require tipping it
onto it's side so that it would fit through the door into the alley behind the
theatre.

> Back when I was at university, the Students' Union had two pianos, one in each hall.
> The large hall has an 8' Steinway, and the smaller a 6' Bechstein. Both were covered
> in rings from beer glasses and cigarette burns on the keys.

No problem in our space. No alcohol or smoking allowed in the venue. Also, the piano
has a padded cover that remains in place whenever the piano is not being used - even
when it is on stage.

Bill


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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:29:36 +0000
Message-Id: <20070217182936.XRZD29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com>


> 
> From: KEITH ARSENAULT <iaeg [at] aol.com>
> Date: 2007/02/16 Fri PM 09:46:40 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> since you probably need to upgrade or replace you PC to run  VISTA  
> ( badly )

Having just done this, with a machine which is alleged to be Vista capable, I think I'll take a raincheck. It is bad enough changing fro Windows 98 to XP. At least I know Windows and MS-DOS fairly well. 
 

Frank Wood

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Subject: Re: Drafting Instruction Question
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:35:48 -0800
Message-ID: <44FC1DD5E9E93D4F9D4C289DF28F7C3F397614 [at] thinkwellsbs.ThinkWell.corp>
From: "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>

"David Stock" <Dave [at] davidpauldesigns.com> wrote:

<<In your humbled opinions, have we reached the point where it can be
said that, drafting can be taught while also simultaneously learning
CAD?>>
<<I am still of the belief that one should learn to hand draft to some
level of proficiency prior to learning CAD.>> =20

OK, PURELY personal opinion:  As devoted as I am to CAD, I'm of the
opinion that it's easier to teach basic drafting conventions in hand
drafted form.  It breaks the learning process into smaller bits, and
runs less of a risk of the student getting stuck on one of the two
elements (basic conventions versus software operation) and not ending up
making any progress in either.  Not to mention the very valid point that
everybody ends up at least sketching things by hand during their career,
and it's a very good idea if you can do that clearly.

Talking about it with my mother (one of her degrees is in education),
she was mentioning that there is some indication that a kinesthetic
(physical learning) component greatly increases retention for many
people - especially those who are (duh!) pretty physical people or
people who like to work with their hands.  Sound like anybody we know?
Like most of us?  Probably another recommendation for starting people
out with the most direct physical connection between the task and the
learning goal.

Now, I'm not sure that I'd necessarily spend 3 weeks on hand lettering
anymore (as was done when I was in school...with Og and all the other
cave men), and I think I'd completely skip such now-arcane tasks as
inking, but I'd think that starting the class in hand and transitioning
to CAD during the course of a semester would work.  No rule says you
have to completely finish the hand section before starting CAD - once
you've got the basics, there might be some value making the take-home
projects hand-drafted examples that the student then has to covert to
CAD.  Just a thought.  YMMV.

Related to physical learning (and cool toys):  I know that using Legos
to build simple mechanical linkages has been a *huge* help in teaching
students about machinery.  Having the students actually assemble the
various linkages using the simplest construction method possible takes
the fab challenges out of the equation and lets them focus on what the
linkage is and how it works.  Not to mention how quickly they get the
concept of mechanical advantage (or lack thereof) when they try to
actuate the linkage by hand.  And it's a lot less expensive when the
Lego 4-bar linkage explodes into it's component pieces than when the
hydraulic actuator turns it into a pretzel.  Not as spectacular, but
then, you can't have everything!  (quick aside - they're also great for
mocking up machines...anything from Legos "Technic" line works, but I
really love their crane:
http://shop.lego.com/ByCategory/Product.aspx?p=3D8288&cn=3D373.  All the
parts you want....)

Just my 2 yen....


Michael Finney
Thinkwell Design & Production
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:37:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new
 and still own
In-Reply-To: <list-42515236 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702171029260.9005 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-41787777 [at] prxy.net> <list-41789702 [at] prxy.net> <list-42515236 [at] prxy.net>

On Sat, 17 Feb 2007, William McLachlan wrote:

> When I first started getting email, it was about 1989 and right about the

My first form of email came via USITT's Callboard network which slightly 
predated this but didn't use any exotic characters ;-)  It was really useful and 
worked very very similarly to the way this list works (or doesn't as the case 
may be..... ;-)  It was via the MIDI forum on Callboard that we created the 
first international standard in which none of the participants actually ever met 
in person - MIDI Show Control.  It took only 9 months to happen...

>> What is the oldest tool that you still own that you purchased new?
>
> I didn't purchase this item but I can't help but mention it because I'm proud 
> of it - I have my grandfather's Rapidograph pen and steel ink pot from his 
> briefcase he carried to work as an engineer at Lockheed before I was born. 
> In school I drew a project or two with it just to, well, to connect I 
> suppose.

That's a very nice story and I have a similar one in that the oldest tool I have 
is a framing square of my grandfather's with a 1905 patent listed on it and I 
still use it quite frequently, even though I'm a hell of a carpenter.  I also 
have the slide rule my father used during WWII and I used it during math classes 
in high school although university required something a bit fancier....

> I am SO off topic...
>
> </nostalgic>

Well, you finally got me going on this topic!!

C

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References: <list-42521884 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <39E94ABF-11B1-4F13-AD97-19229C543196 [at] aol.com>
From: KEITH ARSENAULT <iaeg [at] aol.com>
Subject: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:52:50 -0500

did a BI CENTENIAL ballet years ago , , very Seven Brides for Seven  
Brothers... Agnes DeMille'esque..

two  dancers ....  twirled...  double headed axes, , tossed em back  
and forth, ,  etc,

I think the audience thought they were fake until at the end they  
buried them into real tree stumps on stage, , the splinters flew and you
could hear a collective gasp from the audience,



Keith L Arsenault
International Arts & Entertainment Group
Tampa, Florida
www.iaeginc.com

813 831 3465  office
813 205 0893  cellular
iaeg [at] aol.com



On Feb 17, 2007, at 1:20 PM, <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>  
<frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:

When I did the fights for the Scottish play, the swords were made  
from about three feet of 2" x 3/8" mild steel bar, and the worst you  
could have got was a severe bruise. Nonetheless, the lead actor got a  
split lip from having the edge of his shield driven into it. The  
shields were of laminated wood, and the edges splintered when struck.  
It looked spectacular, and nobody could doubt that the sword-strokes  
were being delivered for real.


Frank Wood


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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:59:45 +0000
Message-Id: <20070217185945.YBSS29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com>


> 
> From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
> Date: 2007/02/16 Fri PM 09:59:16 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> At 4:40 PM -0500 2/16/07, Steve Bailey wrote:
> 
> >You're going to love this.
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM

Amazing. Very clever Apple propaganda.

But, in fact, the two of them are wildly different. Historically, Windows is based around the 8080 microprocessor, and Apple around the 6800, and their subsequent developments. The 8080 was based around a lot of internal registers, and the 6800 around sophisticated addressing facilities. Both work well, but require completely different programming.

MicroSoft may have borrowed screen appearances from Apple, but that doesn't mean that the code is the same. Apple led in GUI, but MS has the market. Indeed, to run some applications, Apple had to pretend to be a PC.


> 
>     "Accepting a teaching that you know to be false, simply
>      because it is a teaching of the Church, is not obedience;
>      it is slavery. Moreover, it is a lie, a sin in and of itself."


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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:19:57 +0000
Message-Id: <20070217191957.OPJC26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com>


> 
> From: gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
> Date: 2007/02/16 Fri PM 10:21:32 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------

> 
> Yeah, I have the same problem. My dual G5 tower is lonely and may  
> start looking for a new home, too...

A general problem. I have a system which is looking for a new home. I KNOW that it would be of use to someone. Until a month ago it was of use to me. But can I find someone; NO. They all want more up-to-date omputers. 433MHz, monitor, SCSI scanner, and printer. WIN 98, and all the operating disks. But nobody seem to want it.
 

Frank Wood

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:34:20 -0500
Subject: Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C1FCC2EC.C9AA%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42523282 [at] prxy.net>

Greetings;

For all of you that have old out-of-date systems and machines that can't
seem to find a new home, I offer this site:

http://www.cristina.org/index.html

I donated my old system to them last year. While my machine ended up going
to a small 501c non-profit company here in manhattan, my friend suzie (who
told me about this group) claims that her donated machine was part of a
large shipment that was delivered to bosnia.

I can only say that, at face value, they appear to be legit and claim to be
working against e-waste. Also, I did receive a small letter thanking me for
my donation and assigning a small donated sum I then included in my taxes.

Ymmv.

shelley


On 2/17/07 2:19 PM, "frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com" <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>> 
>> From: gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
>> Date: 2007/02/16 Fri PM 10:21:32 GMT
>> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>> Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
>> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> 
>> Yeah, I have the same problem. My dual G5 tower is lonely and may
>> start looking for a new home, too...
> 
> A general problem. I have a system which is looking for a new home. I KNOW
> that it would be of use to someone. Until a month ago it was of use to me. But
> can I find someone; NO. They all want more up-to-date omputers. 433MHz,
> monitor, SCSI scanner, and printer. WIN 98, and all the operating disks. But
> nobody seem to want it.
>  
> 
> Frank Wood
> 
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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Theatre Recomnedations
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:47:11 +0000
Message-Id: <20070217194711.NPEY219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com>


> 
> From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
> Date: 2007/02/17 Sat PM 06:23:10 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
 
> No problem in our space. No alcohol or smoking allowed in the venue. Also, the piano
> has a padded cover that remains in place whenever the piano is not being used - even
> when it is on stage.

What a miserable environment! But these were not often theatrical spaces. They were public spaces, if you were a member.


Frank Wood

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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:21:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers
Message-Id: <20070217.122134.15672.1203628 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com>

If anybody in the LA area wants to donate a computer and get a write-
off, my Law Office receives these computers from other law firms, and =

redistributes them to non-profit performing arts organizations such =

as small theatres, ballet and other dance companies, and opera and =

other musical companies, AFTER we strip all the files and proprietary =

data off the hard drives and download the most current operating =

system that the hardware can support. We then send a certification to =

the law firm that all the client files have been removed, along with =

the receipt for the donation. We would be glad to pick up any other =

computers on the same basis. You do NOT have to remove your hard =

drive and send it to the crusher to maintain file confidentiality.
/s/ Richard
_______________________________
Greetings;
For all of you that have old out-of-date systems and machines that =

can't seem to find a new home, I offer this site: <snip>
 


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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0702171250x3619fcd4w3c9bcb022f872952 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:50:20 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Drafting Instruction Question
In-Reply-To: <list-42507798 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42507798 [at] prxy.net>

Dunno. I'm torn on this one. While I came from the day and age in
which we learned with paper/pencil, I'm not so sure always learning
the old school first beats new school thought.

For example, at a place of former employment (a university) there were
many students who found themselves taking the offered CAD class
without having a prior background in hand drafting (later the
curriculum changed and it was a requirement to take hand drafting
first). But in the couple of years in which the CAD class was offered
most of the students seemed to "catch the drift" relatively quickly.
Several of the students later took the hand drafting course and felt
it came easier (while they grumbled about having to purchase supplies,
carry it around, and.... god forbid.... use a writing utensil!)
because of their familiarity with CAD. And despite the grumbles about
"all the extra work" because it was easier to plunk down at the
computer, at least they understood style, format, concept, and how to
"read" a drawing faster, and more clearly, than the students who never
used CAD. This later led to the ability to "quick sketch" in the shop,
or what have you. Plus, some of them actually appreciated the effort
that goes into hand drafting.

I believe there is benefit in learning/knowing both. However, the
who/what/when/where/why/how, and in what order, they are learned I'm
not so sure totally matters in every instance. Make sense?

My .02 anyway.

-- 
-SS
TTS-EKU
"Every day is an opportunity disguised as a challenge"

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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:15:03 +0000
Message-Id: <20070217231503.PSGT219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com>


> 
> From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
> Date: 2007/02/17 Sat PM 08:21:15 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> If anybody in the LA area wants to donate a computer and get a write-
> off, my Law Office receives these computers from other law firms, and 
> redistributes them to non-profit performing arts organizations such 
> as small theatres, ballet and other dance companies, and opera and 
> other musical companies, AFTER we strip all the files and proprietary 
> data off the hard drives and download the most current operating 
> system that the hardware can support. We then send a certification to 
> the law firm that all the client files have been removed, along with 
> the receipt for the donation. We would be glad to pick up any other 
> computers on the same basis. You do NOT have to remove your hard 
> drive and send it to the crusher to maintain file confidentiality.

I should gladly do this. But, unfortunately, I am in the UK. I have looked at several sites offering this sort of re-cycling, and they all turn up their noses at elderly machines, such as mine. Why, I don't know. It served me well until a month ago, when I replaced it. I know that there are outfits in under-developed countries which would welcome it, but not how to get it to them. In France it is easier; I just give it to St. Vincent de Paul. But UK charities are reluctant to accept mains-powered equipment. With very great reluctance, I may have to trash it all.


Frank Wood

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Subject: RE:building theatre recommendations
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:32:19 -0800
Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E609299BFF [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca>
In-reply-to: <list-42512428 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>

More storage and straight travel paths.

If you have an orchestra pit that can double as audience seating, or 6'
of additional stage, where will the unused banks of chairs go when the
pit is down?

Straight lines between Loading bay and stage, Lighting booth and stairs
to ceiling.  Access to the control booth WITHOUT walking through the
theatre.

Instrument storage, if you're going to own tympani, perc, chimes, etc.
As little travel as possible to get those onstage.

Plan for a roll cage gate for the piano storage.  Have enough room for 2
(the good concert grand and the students rehearsal piano). =20

Have TOILETS in each dressing room.  (our 7 each have a shower.  only 4
have toilets, and those aren't the chorus ones)

Have enough backstage hallway washrooms for an orchestra of 100 PLUS a
choir of 200. (I'm being greedy, but could it actually happen?? Large
Orchestra AND Large Choir?  Where are they going to go??)

Have windows in rooms that can have them (admin).  Someone deserves a
window.  Have enough office space for the Full Time staff (Head Lx, Head
Sound, Head Carp, Props (?) Wardrobe (?) FOH, Concession Manager, TD,
PM, GM and AD, to name a few).

Elevator that goes to your highest level (catwalk, FS booth, Ceiling).
Saves time and energy if the chain motors/FS/ dimmer modules/sound amps
need to come down.

A Lobby large enough to hold 75% of your patrons at one time.  Enough
washrooms for your audience.  DON"T PUT THEM ALL IN ONE PLACE.  SPREAD
THEM OUT AROUND THE LOBBY/BALCONIES.  Enough bar service for you
audience.  This is where you make money, IF YOU CAN SERVE THE CUSTOMERS
IN 15 MINUTES, so they have time to drink it.

Look at the architectural lighting elements.  How many different kinds
of bulbs do they use?  Reduce as much as possible to reduce inventory,
and mismatching of similar (but WRONG) bulbs in different fixtures
("150w, 300w, what's the difference?  It fits, doesn't it")

Storage space for all those bulbs.  And your bulbs, your gel, top hats,
Music stand lights, power cords for those music stand lights.  Extra
cable, truss, rigging gear, sand bags.  Room to hold inventory you
purchase in the next few years, because what lighting/sound gear that
comes with the building won't be enough.

Ladder storage, in the room, and somewhere else.

Light control remote patch points everywhere you might hang a light (and
accessible without a ladder, so you don't need to move the ladder to
plug/unplug the remote).

That's what is wrong with our building . . .  Good luck with yours.

Andrew M. Riter
Head Lighting Technician
Chan Centre, UBC
604-822-2372
=20
***********************
You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in
obscurity what it lacks in style.
                            Stoppard, R&G are Dead
************************
=20
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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:27:32 GMT
Subject: Re: building theatre recommendations
Message-Id: <20070217.172806.18186.1269672 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com>

How about built in cue lights, built in balcony edge center red light =

for dancers to reset their orientation in the dark, recessed ALD =

transmitters, emergency annunciator and other permanent devices, tie =

points/pick points on the house ceiling, lots of Com, CAT6, DMX, God =

Mike and every other type of outlet in the house floor, including AC, =

where the Director and Designers do their work during tech and other =

rehearsals, focus sessions, et cetera, independent of the FOH Sound =

Op position. Wall recesses for AEDs and fire suppression equipment.
/s/ Richard  


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Message-ID: <f23a0f840702171958x212edf47w983e087521b6ade0 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:58:03 -0500
From: "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
In-Reply-To: <list-42523282 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42523282 [at] prxy.net>

> > Yeah, I have the same problem. My dual G5 tower is lonely and may
> > start looking for a new home, too...
>
> A general problem. I have a system which is looking for a new home. I KNOW that it would be of use to someone. Until a month ago it was of use to me. But can I find someone; NO. They all want more up-to-date omputers. 433MHz, monitor, SCSI scanner, and printer. WIN 98, and all the operating disks. But nobody seem to want it.

Hey...some of us aren't that choosy cuz, like, we have budgets less
than the amount it costs to buy a senator's vote.

So, before I raise my hand too far, what'd it take to get some
just-barely-obsolete computers from here?

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From: "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
Subject: RE: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:22:35 -0500
Message-ID: <FDEPKKINFFFAJOOJMIKBIEFDFDAA.steven [at] simplycircus.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42532138 [at] prxy.net>

A lot of schools are using K12LTSP (www.k12ltsp.org) to give old
workstations new life.  Just about anyone running a K12LTSP network will be
more than happy to take such a box off your hands.

  _____

Steven Santos
Director, Simply Circus, Inc.
Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com
 Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road
       Newton, MA 02462
Phone: 617-527-0667
  Web: www.SimplyCircus.com <http://www.SimplyCircus.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Paul
> Schreiner
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:58 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > > Yeah, I have the same problem. My dual G5 tower is lonely and may
> > > start looking for a new home, too...
> >
> > A general problem. I have a system which is looking for a new
> home. I KNOW that it would be of use to someone. Until a month
> ago it was of use to me. But can I find someone; NO. They all
> want more up-to-date omputers. 433MHz, monitor, SCSI scanner, and
> printer. WIN 98, and all the operating disks. But nobody seem to want it.
>
> Hey...some of us aren't that choosy cuz, like, we have budgets less
> than the amount it costs to buy a senator's vote.
>
> So, before I raise my hand too far, what'd it take to get some
> just-barely-obsolete computers from here?
>
>


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Message-ID: <f23a0f840702172028s5a0adcdbn7686b33792dc983c [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:28:29 -0500
From: "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Drafting Instruction Question
In-Reply-To: <list-42525086 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42507798 [at] prxy.net> <list-42525086 [at] prxy.net>

> Dunno. I'm torn on this one. While I came from the day and age in
> which we learned with paper/pencil, I'm not so sure always learning
> the old school first beats new school thought.

Here's my analogy...keeping in mind that I haven't hand-drafted
anything in *years*, do everything in VectorWorks (except for a few
projects in QuickCAD which I don't know well enough to be comfy in),
and learned hand-drafting from one of Michael Finney's contemporaries
or something like that...

Take twenty people who've never really cooked a meal before, outside
of microwaving stuff or warming up Spaghetti-O's.  Okay, maybe they
made French toast, or fried bacon.  Or put together a peanut-butter
sandwich.

Put ten of them in a kitchen with only a half-dozen carefully chosen
ingredients for a couple of weeks.  Every day, add one or two more
things to consider using, with a description of what it's considered
good for.

Put the others in a completely stocked kitchen with a larder that'd
put the Pope's cook to shame.  Every day, you could describe what one
or two of the available ingredients add, but there are no restrictions
against playing with anything in the kitchen.  Everything's fair game.

At the end of the month, how many of the first group would be able to
cook a full three- or four- or five-course meal from scratch that the
majority of the population would find palatable?  Intriguing?  Good
enough to buy?

How many from group two would be able to say the same?

Now, for the explanation.

Hand drafting, because of the time and forethought involved,
absolutely *requires* it's practitioners to find the least-complicated
solution to the communication problem at hand.  It requires learning
the language, and all those specialized conventions that have arisen
over the years for various and sundry things that most of us don't see
necessarily every day are only utilized on a need-to-know basis.

CAD makes all that specialized stuff available to novices from the
get-go, without any background about when it is or isn't
appropriate...and these programs aren't designed for novices. Why, for
example, is the "Wall" tool preferred over simple double lines in VW?
It seems easier...but then you get into issues of trying to place
doors inside double lines instead of walls (like the program expects,
because the program is designed for experienced users), and so on.

Also, each CAD program has it's own vernacular...think of the menu and
toolbar structures.  If everyone learns hand-drafting first, it's like
the Rosetta stone.  You don't have to worry about a VW user trying out
AutoCad and wondering where the groups have gone...because one thinks
in hand-drafting terms (how do I organize this particular project)
first rather than anything platform-specific (groups?  layers? paper
space?).  Think Latin in terms of what the rest of the Romance
languages were a milennium ago.

And one last thing...the more we become siliconized in our daily
functions, the more we (and our children) are going to crave actually
doing something productive with those arcane pencils...

K, I'm done for tonight.  I think.

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Message-ID: <BAY130-DAV10C4209A33E66D449D258FD18B0 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Catherine Brumm" <ckybrumm [at] msn.com>
References: <list-42512428 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Theatre Recommandations...
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:39:27 -0500


Speaking from experience as an end user who had no part in the planning of 
the facility she ended up in make sure something don't get over looked that 
most would think is obvious...

when thinking about tables and brooms etc don't forget the mirrors in the 
dressing rooms (make-up and full length) and costume areas...and always 
check the updates and revisions to see that some corner cutting PTB doesn't 
cut them to save a few bucks.

Plenty of outlets and lights in the dressing rooms too.

If you have any little hall ways leading from the stage to storage or other 
areas make sure the specs call for the doors to be the same size on both 
ends and the lights to be able to be turned off completely to prevent light 
leaks during performances.

a way to hang art work/posters/signage in the lobby without having to put 
holes into the wall especially if they are going with decorative brick.

lobby lights that can dimmed whether through the stage/house lighting system 
or switches in the lobby or ticket office.

lots of light on the loading docks and in the loading area.

These are for the actual theater not peripheral space but I think good to 
keep in mind...
 If you get a full stage acoustical/orchestra shell make sure it is not 
planned to fit on
the stage in such a way that it blocks the double door access to the stage. 
Bringing the large tympani and marimba in through the house is not a lot of 
fun nor is having to move the shell again when you realize you didn't get 
the piano out of storage before blocking the only door the piano fits 
through.

in the house/auditorium recessed outlets flush to the floor in rows...not 
under the seats... makes for easier house cleaning and plugging in of 
presentational media devices.

If the space will be used for speakers and college events get a projection 
screen placed in the fly systems...electrified so it can be lowered and 
raised remotely if you have small prep staff or it needs to happen during 
the event.

Catherine Brumm 


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Message-ID: <58f67b0f0702172259l23207778tfae3c979df0f2d4a [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:59:33 -0600
From: "Michael Powers" <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Trip to Ca.

 Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
Chris is in Tucson (Middle Of Nowhere), I'm in Phoenix (Middle of LA East).

Chip,

My bad!  You get the ground speed wave and Chris gets the long distance salute.

-- 
Michael

Michael Powers
Director of Operations
Central Lighting & Equipment
1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150
West Des Moines Iowa 50265
51Re: Trip to Ca.-277-4190   877-977-4190
Fax  515-277-2295
515-557-0178  cell
michael [at] clelights.com

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