Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41886638; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:09:00 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41886286; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:08:04 -0800 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,TW_QH,TW_RQ autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1123 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:06:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1123 1. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "LES LIND" 2. Re: Lack of interest in working for community theatre by "LES LIND" 3. Re: Laser Saw Guide by "Will Leonard" 4. Re: self-supporting door by "Jason Salvatori" 5. Re: Projectors by "Jason Salvatori" 6. Re: Fire Doors .... by "Jon Ares" 7. Re: High School curriculum by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" 8. Re: Laser Saw Blade Device by "Haagen Trey P Civ USAFA/CWTMC" 9. Re: Acceptable truss deflection? by "Fritz Schwentker" 10. Three phase power feed by "Bill Nelson" 11. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" 12. Re: Mac computer question by Stan Pressner 13. Re: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy by "Terry Lowe" 14. Re: Choosing designers in an academic situation - Request for help by Christopher Haas CEHAAS 15. Cello Platform by Stephen Rees 16. Re: Three phase power feed by "David B. Nelson" 17. Re: Mac computer question by "Delbert Hall" 18. Re: Mac computer question by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 19. Re: Laser Saw Blade Device by Clive Mitchell 20. Re: Mac computer question by "Paul Marsland" 21. Re: Mac computer question by Ian Schmidt 22. Re: Mac computer question by "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" 23. Re: Mac computer question by "Delbert Hall" 24. Re: Three phase power feed by "Bill Nelson" 25. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 26. Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? by 27. Re: Cello Platform by "Tom Heemskerk" 28. Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? by "Bill Nelson" 29. Re: Brecht's Poem "The Lighting" by 30. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "Bill Nelson" 31. ETC RFU-2 Update by "David Fox" 32. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 33. Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "Rob Riddle" 34. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by 35. Re: Mac computer question by Jerry Durand 36. Re: Dead Languages 101 (was: Re: electricity to revolving stage) by "chrisharris25" 37. Farewell to threads? by "David Fox" 38. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 39. Re: Powered Speakers by CB 40. Today's coolest new thing by CB 41. Re: Gmail by Bruce Purdy 42. Re: USITT List Get Together? by CB 43. Re: Gmail by "Paul Marsland" 44. Fire Doors .... by CB 45. Re: USITT List Get Together? by CB 46. Re: High School curriculum by Bruce Purdy 47. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "Matt Gard" 48. Patchbays by CB 49. Re: High School curriculum by Bruce Purdy 50. Outdoor Lighting Fixture Suggestion by Terry Price 51. Re: Gmail by "Brian Munroe" 52. USITT Reception in Phoenix by "Delbert Hall" 53. Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixture Suggestion by "Delbert Hall" 54. Panic Bars by "Bill Conner" 55. Re: Gmail by Bruce Purdy 56. Re: Gmail by "Paul Schreiner" 57. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "Rob Riddle" 58. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "Matt Gard" 59. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "Delbert Hall" 60. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by Kyler Glaze 61. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "Rob Riddle" 62. Re: Gmail by "Brian Munroe" 63. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "Delbert Hall" 64. Re: [user_group] Re: USITT List Get Together? by "Jim, RC4 Wireless" 65. Re: Cello Platform by "Chris Kennedy" 66. Re: House lights by Mike Voytko 67. Re: USITT Reception in Phoenix by Steve Shelley 68. Re: Gmail by Clive Mitchell 69. Re: Gmail by Bruce Purdy 70. Posting etiquette (was RE: Gmail) by "David B. Nelson" 71. Re; Gmail_Frank was Re: Posting etiquette (was RE: Gmail) by Herrick Goldman *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <45C0460E0200002900004BFA [at] mailhost.nesd.k12.pa.us> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:32:30 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? References:

In-Reply-To: We have magnetic panic bars on our auditorium doors that, when enabled, = hold the panic bars in, in the unlatched position. It passed inspection so = I guess it's ok in our area. However the doors still made quite a noise = when they closed. What I did was dial the latching speed on the door = closers way down so it drifts closed very slowly and quietly.=20 Les Les Lind Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> "Adriane Bennett" 1/30/07 1:01 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- =20 We have similar crash bars on our upstage walls that lead to greenroom and dressing rooms that make a horrendous noise during shows that we cannot lock the crash bars down. We just take a couple layers of gaff tape and tape the latch down so it's flush with the rest of the unit and doesn't catch when closed. =20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45C04AD20200002900004BFE [at] mailhost.nesd.k12.pa.us> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:52:50 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Lack of interest in working for community theatre References: In-Reply-To: That's my argument I use when I talk with the PTB here at the district = about support for theatre. We have no theatre classes or budget for our = dramatics program. Totally ticket sales supported. I ask the school board at a board meeting one time if they knew how many = students over the years went on to theatre or theatre/entertainment = related careers as a result of being involved in our extra-cirricular = theatre program. I give them the answer for as far back as I can remember, = at least a dozen and I name names. Then I ask them how many students = athletes went on to careers in professional sports or related. That used = to be zero but now one student graduated from Auburn with a sports turf = degree (or something like that). The result: the extra-cirricular sports program still has over a $100,000 = budget and the drama program now has $0. Les They believe no one can =20 make a living at it, so why bother.=20 Kristi =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Les Lind Northeastern High School Manchester, PA ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Laser Saw Guide Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:44:58 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Will Leonard" Greetings, We have a unit on our chop saws made by Irwin that attaches directly to the blade at the arbor. It works very well. It is triggered by the blade spinning (which is ok if you crew knows how to safely use the chop saw, see earlier discussion). The only problem we have had with it is I have to replace the batteries about once a month of our primary chop saw. But I have noticed that my guys are very quick to tell me when the batteries are dead because they love it. It is accurate to 1/64 at least (probably more, we haven't measured).=20 I bought it at Lowe's & highly recommend it.=20 - Will Leonard ATD Alabama Shakespeare Festival ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780701310548o58f32de3m181f03f2a7ef6042 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:48:36 -0500 From: "Jason Salvatori" Subject: Re: self-supporting door In-Reply-To: References: I don't have access to them here at work, but I have a CADD drawing of a couple different types. contact me off-list and let me know what file formats you can use. Jason Salvatori Technical Director Vaughan City playhouse On 1/31/07, Eric Donaldson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello everyone. I am new here. My apologies if this has been asked and > answered before but I have seached the archive without success. I did > run across a thread about building a "rehearsal door" but that is more > than I need. (it called for a steel frame and casters) > > I am looking to have a self-supporting door onstage that can open and > close and withstand a bit of jostling. I bought a cheap hollow door > ($25) and it comes in a frame. I believe it's what they call a > pre-hung door. I have built a 2x4 frame around it and attached that to > a plywood base. But it's way too shakey and needs some more support - > gussets, more 2x4s or something. I would like the asssembly to be > relatively lightweight so it can be moved on/off quickly. > > Before I continue with my picnic table construction methods, I figure > this has been done a thousand times in theater before so I'd like to > find out if there is a standard way to do this? Perhaps even some > plans or diagrams already posted? I have searched the Google but no > luck yet. Any help is appreciated. Thanks a bunch. > > - Eric Donaldson > Rochester MN USA > (eric dot donaldson at gmail dot com) > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780701310608l231151e6j354b2fee59bc46da [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:08:08 -0500 From: "Jason Salvatori" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: Projectors In-Reply-To: References:

A variation on the sliding piece of luan is to hinge one to your projector mount and pull it vertically. This gives less of a wipe effect (but is still not as clean as the "fingers" idea) and requires nothing to be suspended separately from the projector. Jason Salvatori Technical Director Vaughan City Playhouse On 1/27/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > BTW, NOBODY in > > Boston rents the City Theatrical dowser. > > I believe that Altman Rentals, in Yonkers, NY, has it and if so, they could > easily get it to you. > > (212)569-7777, ext. 130 > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00cb01c74542$0ed9a090$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Fire Doors .... Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:14:01 -0800 > quietly. It is not that hard hold the handle down till the door is closed > then release. That doesn't work for the crash-bar doors, where you press the crash bar to exit, then stand on the other side of the door. Trying to hold the crash bar down as the door shuts results in one's arm being caught in the door. ;) > What really irks me are the people, usually renters of the space from the > community, who think they are above the rules and they tie the main doors > open to the hooks for the fire extinguishers mounted inside the vestibules > and leave the fire extinguishers sitting in the corner. Silly civilians. Don't they know they're supposed to use those fire extinguishers on the floor as door stops? ;) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:23:59 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" Subject: Re: High School curriculum Eric, Where I'm from most of the high school teachers don't know the tech side of theater so they only teach the acting. Whatever experience the students gain in tech in the high schools is from working productions and figuring out what they need to do by either talking to other shop teachers or learning from the "Theater Manager" the school disctricts have. Some will go out and do some research on their own. But, yes, high schools in many areas lack technical theater or ANY theater experience at all. Maybe you can start to get the high schools in your area to realize there is more that can be taught. Or even groom some of them at your theater space. Give them tours as a class to show them equipment and what it can do either by itself or after a show that high school students come to see in a fieldtrip. Jeff Kanyuck I have two questions: 1. Being in my 2nd year here I am getting heavy into recruiting for our BFA TD program. One of the main issues I seem to have is that few high school students realize that Technical Direction is even an option of a career path. In fact, I was speaking to a senior BFA TD student today and he told me the same thing. He came to school wanting to do something in technical theatre, and didn't know that being a TD was an option. Does anyone know why this is? Can anything be done to help raise awareness? 2. Are there specific technical theatre classes taught in public high schools in the US? If so, what kind of classes are they? Or do they get most of their knowledge from working on their productions? I grew up in Puerto Rico, so I have absolutely no idea. -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA Jeff Kanyuck Technical Director Cultural Events & Performing Arts Harford Community College 401 Thomas Run Road Bel Air, MD 21015 410-836-4369 Office 410-836-4251 Fax jkanyuck [at] harford.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Laser Saw Blade Device Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:37:55 -0700 Message-ID: <67CADCB91D266042A8DAB3B981DCFD14038A2379 [at] AFAMAIL2.USAFA.afspc.ds.af.mil> References: From: "Haagen Trey P Civ USAFA/CWTMC" I have them on a DeWalt 708 Sliding Compound Miter Saw, DeWalt 12" = Radial Arm saw set up for dadoing (zat a word?) and a Craftsman 10" = compound Miter Saw. All retrofitted. They work fine for us. I = certainly do not have a problem with accuracy. Only rarely do I do finished carpentry with these machines and need = closer than a 1/16" tolerance. When I'm off the mark, it's operator = error. Trey H=E4agen Arnold Hall Theatre V: (719) 333-2721 F: (719) 333-2099 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of = RHolen [at] vinu.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 22:26 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Laser Saw Blade Device For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I hought I saw a laser device that attaches to the side of a circular = saw blade so that when is rotates it puts out a laser line on the wood you = are cutting. Has anyone used this device? How does it work? Rick Holen Vincennes University Somewhere is Southern Indiana In the new Red Skelton Theatre ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Fritz Schwentker" Subject: RE: Acceptable truss deflection? Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:37:59 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c74545$68133e20$4601a8c0 [at] Rayford> In-Reply-To: Mike: Acceptable deflection is, by definition, a matter of what is appropriate for a particular application. For instance, the L/240 figure for wood and steel beams you mention has a great deal to do with how a plaster ceiling hung beneath a series of beams will behave. A quick perusal of a truss catalog shows no truss listed as having a deflection greater than about L/200 based on the maximum allowable load. By general acceptance through practice in the industry with the products available you might therefore assume something in the neighborhood of L/240 to be an "acceptable" deflection. But, if as you note in your application, "the deflection is somewhat alarming to see," then perhaps a somewhat more conservative factor should be applied and you would want reduce to reduce either (1) the load YOU allow or (2) the length of unsupported span. Remember deflection in a beam, which is what a truss is of course, is primarially dependant on the load relative to the span, the elasticity of the material, and the cross sectional distribution of the material. Measured or calculated deflection won't tell us directly whether the truss will bend to the point of deformation or failure (although measuring deflection in excess of what is expected should indeed tell you something!) For that we need to consult the published allowable loads (or get someone qualified who knows how to calculate those for us). best, Fritz =========================== Fritz Schwentker Senior Theatre Systems Designer ETCP CR-AT WJHW, Inc 12500 Network Blvd, Suite 402 San Antonio, TX 78249 210.561.9800 fschwentker [at] wjhw.com =========================== > -----Original Message----- > > Can anyone tell me what an acceptable amount of truss > deflection is under a load? > The situation: we have 12"x18" box truss with the 12" > distance vertically and a rating of 800lbs UDL across > 40'. With approximately 450lbs of cyc lights across > that 40', the deflection is 1-5/8" at the center. I > don't have my reference books here, but I remember > steel and wood beams often use a deflection of L/240 > which would give me a 2" acceptable deflection. Does > this hold true with aluminum truss also? I know this > is within the 800lbs rating, but the deflection is > somewhat alarming to see. Since I my references are > all at home at the moment, can someone help me out? > > Thanks, > Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1562.205.215.253.50.1170257214.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:26:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Three phase power feed From: "Bill Nelson" At one of the venues where I do lighting designs, I just recently noticed something that has me confused. Some time back, we upgraded to three phase power so that we could install decent heating/cooling equipment. But when I look at the power feed to the pole pigs, there are only two hot lines - not all three available on the power transmission lines. Another venue, also with 3 phase power, has taps off all three lines and has three transformers. There are two pole pigs for our theatre, one somewhat larger than the other. Unfortunately, I am unable to see the tops of the transformers to determine the connections. The house disconnect is labeled 120/208 V. Is this some sort of open delta system? I always thought that required all three of the phase feed lines - but used two transformers. I don't think it is a variation of a Scott-T transformer, since that would be 4 wire. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <31224033.1170257283779.JavaMail.? [at] fh131.dia.he.tucows.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:28:03 +0000 (UTC) From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? >> But the AARP starts sending the invitations out > at 34. I just got my > first one, to my wife's great amusement.>> Wait until you become a member (or not... I'm not... I think they're a rip off. The only thing I think they provide is a bad magazine.) and they send you an invoice for your dues, They'll send you another one about 10 days after you pay them... happened every time. Maybe you'll forget and pay twice. I let me AARP membership lapse and so did my road service. When I finally rejoined, they reinstated my road service retroactive for 6 months (?)... 6 months in which they provided nothing and would have denied me service had I called. Letters did no good. The final straw was when I finally didi call for emergency towing service and was told I would have a 3 hour wait even though I was within 1/4 mile of at least a dozen tow shops. Apparently they called one shop and that was it. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <94A7F91B-FADE-493D-856B-B131B23253E1 [at] verizon.net> From: Stan Pressner Subject: Re: Mac computer question Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:41:08 -0500 The only problem I see with DVI is the greater limitation on cable length. This can be a big problem on some shows, as I would prefer to stay in the land of digital signal. Best, Stan Pressner ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:04:34 -0800 Message-ID: <793BE9C001D3D545A5CEE4B50BE02FBB99DC4F [at] webserver1.timelesspub.local> From: "Terry Lowe" We might still call them the Dolts if they don't kick some Bear Butt this Sunday!!! Terry Lowe, Publisher Projection, Lights & Staging News www.plsn.com FRONT of HOUSE www.fohonline.com Stage Directions www.stage-directions.com Event Production Directory www.epdweb.com Executive Director, Parnelli Awards www.parnelliawards.com PLSN & FOH Bookshelf www.plsnbookshelf.com Ph. 702-932-5585 Cell 818-384-8456 FAX 702-932-5584 tlowe [at] plsn.com=20 =20 Informing Creative Minds... -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Philip Johnson Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:26 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Mike If you drive south about an hour you will get to some of them thar hills you were accustomed to. Growing up in southern Indiana, I can attest to hills, curvy roads and spectacular fall folliage. Most Hoosiers from the region or northern half barely realize the dramatic change in topography that occurs as you head south. I miss the hills sometimes living in south Texas, but I don't miss the winters. We'll be watchin the superbowl in our short and t shirts. Go Colts (I remember when we called them the dolts) On 1/30/07 12:54 PM, "Michael Brubaker" wrote: > Frank, allow me to dream that Indiana isn't as flat as it is. I spent 18 > years in hillier (is that a word?) terrain before moving here. --=20 Philip Johnson Professor of Theatre Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Choosing designers in an academic situation - Request for help Message-ID: From: Christopher Haas CEHAAS Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:11:46 -0500 "Do you offer both undergraduate and graduate degrees?" "How many majors/minors?" Here at UNCG we have a MFA Design, MFA Acting, MFA Directing, MFA Theatre=20 for Young People, BFA Design, BFA Technical Production, BFA Acting, BFA=20 Theatre Education and BA Theatre Degrees. The department has (I think)=20 about 200 undergrad and 20 MFA students. I have no idea how many minors.=20 We have about 25 students between the Design and Tech Production degrees. "Do the (presumed) faculty directors get a say in who is on their=20 production team?" No. We do take the (presumed) directors into consideration when we make=20 assignments, but the acting/directing faculty do not have input "Is there a meeting of all interested parties (or entire department)to = comment on non-production skills of potential student designers=20 The design faculty make the design assignment decisions after the students = submit their preferences and we have the MFA/BFA reviews. This usually=20 involves a lot of discussion on our part about student's strengths and=20 weaknesses. We then try to make assignments based upon our feelings of=20 their preparedness and what we feel needs to be their next step. We try=20 to respect the student's preferences, but sometimes that doesn't happen.=20 Priority is given to the MFA Design students (especially the third years=20 for the Thesis Productions). However, as we have a small MFA progrom=20 (9-10 students) and we do a lot of shows, we are usually struggling to=20 fill every design slot without feeling like we may be abusing a student. "Are student designers chosen solely on the basis of classroom=20 performance, or do they have to have some working knowledge of the=20 relevant shop or gear?" Classroom performance is part of the equation. But so is performance in=20 prior design assignments. We try very hard to place students as=20 assistants first and then let them move up the heriarchy as they develop.=20 So there is experience in the relevant shop. (i.e., Assistant Propmaster, = Propmaster, Assistant Designer, Designer in Studio, Designer Mainstage,=20 etc) Is there a requirement at your school that only persons with an MFA=20 in a specific area get to design in that specific area, or does=20 "equivalent experience" count when choosing designers? No. Our faculty lighting designer has done scene design here and I=20 believe our Scene Designer has done lights and costumes. The design=20 faculty do design within their respective areas, but often it's to fill a=20 hole in our design assignments. There are some years when the design=20 faculty do not design in house, but they usually stay busy off campus=20 anyway. However we try to place students in all the design slots first. Is there requirements that only full-time tenure-track faculty be=20 allowed to take non-student designer roles, or are qualified part-time=20 faculty and staff allowed to participate? Qualified staff (what's a part-time faculty in design??????) have=20 been allowed to design in the past. When I was at Ball State University, we did not have a MFA program. We=20 had a BA with a Design and Technology track (about 20-30 students out of=20 350 majors). The Design/Tech students would apply for their design=20 assignments and we held formal reviews with them each spring in which this = was discussed with each student. The students would have to apply for=20 their positions and we conducted the reviews as an interview with the=20 students. Our emphasis there was also to place students first and then=20 the faculty would fill gaps. I was the TD/Sound Supervisor while I was=20 there, but I did several lighting designs as well. There was cross=20 pollination between all of the design faculty while I was there. Hope this is helpful. Try to stay warm. I saw the windchill up in the hills was -10 this=20 morning. Almost makes the 15=B0 wind chill here in Greensboro feel warm. Chip Haas Technical Director Department of Theatre The University of North Carolina Greensboro 336-334-3891 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:24:44 -0500 Subject: Cello Platform From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I have need of constructing a cello platform (or riser or box or whatever). The fellow from the school of music here who was going to give me info regarding materials and construction method has not come through. Any one on the list have a solution that will best enhance the sound? Dimensions and materials and openings are of concern and are unknowns for me. TIA Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia ------------------------------ From: "David B. Nelson" References:

Subject: RE: Three phase power feed Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:31:24 -0500 Message-ID: <011901c74555$3fe30dd0$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603> In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson writes... > But when I look at the power feed to the pole pigs, there are only > two hot lines - not all three available on the power transmission > lines. What's a "pole pig"? A utility pole mounted step down transformer? > Another venue, also with 3 phase power, has taps > off all three lines and has three transformers. There are, I believe, single enclosure three-phase transformers, but they are not as commonly used as three single phase transformers. > The house disconnect is labeled 120/208 V. That is typically indicative of 3-phase, wye. You don't get 120 volts from 3-phase, delta. Regards, Dave Nelson Technical Director Adams Memorial Opera House Derry, NH, USA ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:37:20 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Mac computer question In-Reply-To: References:

> You may find that your video card will work as a dual-head system > using both outputs at the same time. My wife's CAD system has two > monitors, one DVI, one VGA. Works fine, even with the monitors > different sizes. > > Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com That is how I have my computer set up. Great for CAD. It was easy to set up this way. I will never go back to a single monitor. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Mac computer question Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:39:42 -0500 Message-ID: <005401c74556$6db98fd0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > That is how I have my computer set up. Great for CAD. It was > easy to set up this way. I will never go back to a single monitor. What's the advantage of two? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:42:02 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Laser Saw Blade Device References: In-Reply-To: In message , RHolen [at] vinu.edu writes >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >I hought I saw a laser device that attaches to the side of a circular saw >blade so that when is rotates it puts out a laser line on the wood you are >cutting. Has anyone used this device? How does it work? > >Rick Holen >Vincennes University >Somewhere is Southern Indiana >In the new Red Skelton Theatre > Quite a lot of the circular saws come with lasers like this built in now. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:50:22 -0500 From: "Paul Marsland" Subject: Re: Mac computer question In-Reply-To: References:

Oh my goodness! - drawing space on one, toolbars (like a tablet) on the other - plan view on one, section (or other views) on the other (assuming 3-d) - lightwright on one, drawing on the other - drawing and instant messaging with your assistant while you look at larger views that you can actually read - (or the OT, original reason I went this route; investment analysis/charting software on one screen and trading execution software on the other) Essentially anything you can imagine that either a) you wish you had a double-wide view of, or b) wish you could multitask and have the programs open in full view at the same time. Mine is DVI (with adapter) and VGA as well and I would second Delbert's opinion. Paul On 1/31/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > That is how I have my computer set up. Great for CAD. It was > > easy to set up this way. I will never go back to a single monitor. > > What's the advantage of two? > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:50:07 -0500 From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: Mac computer question In-reply-to: Message-id: <45C0C8BF.2030703 [at] gmu.edu> Organization: George Mason University References: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > >> That is how I have my computer set up. Great for CAD. It was >> easy to set up this way. I will never go back to a single monitor. >> > > What's the advantage of two? > > You can have all of the tools and resource browers and palettes and such on the 2nd monitor so you have a more clutter free workspace to draft in. I also like to use it for checking Lightwright against a plot sometimes. -- Ian Schmidt Master Electrician Center for the Arts George Mason University office 703-993-8895 fax 703-993-4092 ------------------------------ From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" Subject: RE: Mac computer question Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:55:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c74558$a4be1df0$0400a8c0 [at] ROADHAT> In-Reply-To: "Essentially anything you can imagine that either a) you wish you had a double-wide view of, or b) wish you could multitask and have the programs open in full view at the same time." Dual monitors are also immensely useful in any document management application. I especially like to have my notes on one screen with the finished document on the other. Or, keeping earlier versions of a document open while creating a revision. I believe Windows XP has the innate ability to recognize up to nine separate monitors, one is limited only the number of hard ports. - J.Minh ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:56:34 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: Mac computer question In-Reply-To: References:

> What's the advantage of two? More space. I have a 24" wide-screen monitor that I use as a drawing space. All of my menus are moved to the second monitor, so they are never in my drawing space. I can have all the menus that I want open and expanded, so I spend less time looking for commands. The larger monitor has really reduced my need to zoom in or change the view. I am using Vectorworks. For other applications, it makes it easy to look at two applications at same time (one on each monitor). I can also easily copy or drag something from one application into the other. If you have an second monitor from an older computer, all you really need is a second video card (which are pretty inexpensive). This is what I did on my office computer. Works great. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1662.205.215.253.50.1170262841.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:00:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Three phase power feed From: "Bill Nelson" > What's a "pole pig"? A utility pole mounted step down transformer? Yes. >> The house disconnect is labeled 120/208 V. > > That is typically indicative of 3-phase, wye. You don't get 120 volts > from 3-phase, delta. You certainly can. It is not unusual to have 240 V delta legs, with one of the winding having a center neutral tap to provide 120 V. These transformers are where the "wild leg" occurs, with 208 V from the leg to the neutral. It would be necessary to measure across the legs to see of 240 V is present - which would indicate a delta configuration. Bill ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:14:13 GMT Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Message-Id: <20070131.091511.15672.1112627 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> The AARP is far and away the most powerful lobby in Washington DC. /s/ Richard __________________________ >> But the AARP starts sending the invitations out > at 34. I just got my first one, to my wife's great amusement.>> Wait until you become a member (or not... I'm not... I think they're = a rip off. The only thing I think they provide is a bad magazine.) = and they send you an invoice for your dues, They'll send you another = one about 10 days after you pay them... happened every time. ______________________ Maybe you'll forget and pay twice. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:16:23 +0000 Message-Id: <20070131171623.QVTQ219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Bruce Purdy > Date: 2007/01/30 Tue AM 03:59:13 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > What are ushers there for, if not to keep these folk in hand? > > Well, they are there to collect tickets, hand out programs and - in > the rare case of reserved seated shows - show patrons to their seats. > Most of our ushers are rather elderly widows. All are volunteers. > None are capable or well suited for confrontations with Cell phone > users and other violators. Like airline cabin staff, their prime purpose is to ensure an orderly evacuation in case of emergency. This is often overlooked. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Tom Heemskerk" Subject: RE: Cello Platform Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:18:46 -0800 The cello platform I know and hate is approx. 3' x 5' x 10" and the top is made of 1x4 with 1/4" gaps between them. The best way enhance the sound is to speak convincingly of the warm, resonant qualities of wood, while keeping a straight face. tom > >I have need of constructing a cello platform (or riser or box or whatever). >The fellow from the school of music here who was going to give me info >regarding materials and construction method has not come through. Any one >on the list have a solution that will best enhance the sound? Dimensions >and >materials and openings are of concern and are unknowns for me. _________________________________________________________________ Don�t waste time standing in line�try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1683.205.215.253.50.1170264536.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:28:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? From: "Bill Nelson" >> Well, they are there to collect tickets, hand out programs and - in >> the rare case of reserved seated shows - show patrons to their seats. >> Most of our ushers are rather elderly widows. All are volunteers. >> None are capable or well suited for confrontations with Cell phone >> users and other violators. > > Like airline cabin staff, their prime purpose is to ensure an orderly > evacuation in case of emergency. This is often overlooked. Unfortunately, in community theatre, that is often not the case. The usher volunteers most likely have little or no training. They often don't even know the numbers of the middle seats in a row, to be able to tell which aisle would be best for the patrons to use. Bill ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Brecht's Poem "The Lighting" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:29:47 +0000 Message-Id: <20070131172947.KYDT17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Herrick Goldman > Date: 2007/01/30 Tue AM 04:31:10 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Brecht's Poem "The Lighting" > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > This is why...when asked to design Brecht..I very specifically speak with > the director and make sure he or she does NOT want to subscribe religiously > to that man's views! Why not? Surely the playwright's views need to be taken into consideration when planning a production. > > He says..having designed 6 or 8 of Brecht's show's. Having designed a few myself, I should say that I prefer not to use Brecht's plain white light, as witness some pictures on Photobucket. But if you think back to the general state of the art when Brecht was writing and staging his plays, you can see sense in what he wanted. Then, it was still three-colour striplights and footlights, with a few 'spotlights' thrown in for luck. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1686.205.215.253.50.1170264669.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:31:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? From: "Bill Nelson" > The AARP is far and away the most powerful lobby in Washington DC. You wouldn't know it from the bastardized drug bill that was passed some time back. Bill ------------------------------ Subject: ETC RFU-2 Update Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:31:17 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: From: "David Fox" >One of my few regrets in moving to an all-Strand facility is that I=20 >don't have a need to call David Fox on a regular basis anymore. Not=20 >only would he solve my problems, I'd usually learn some nifty backdoor=20 >tricks and secrets on my system. >Steve L. AWWWW Steve I miss you to.=20 Thank you.=20 You are always welcome to call me. I may know some Strand tricks as well. David Fox Electronic Theatre Controls Technical Support Manager Direct Toll Free 888-908-2193 Direct 608-824-5056=20 ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:37:30 GMT Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Message-Id: <20070131.093831.15672.1112775 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> That was just the camel getting its nose under the tent. /s/ Richard ____________________________ > The AARP is far and away the most powerful lobby in Washington DC. _____________ You wouldn't know it from the bastardized drug bill that was passed = some time back. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003801c7455f$1cb56c90$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References:

Subject: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:41:59 -0500 Dual is Cual (the English language is so difficult) For more than a year I had a DVI /19" LCD and a VGA/ 21" CRT hooked up to my desktop system. I had to use a DVI to VGA adapter to the CRT monitor. I only had to worry about color correction on the LCD. It worked fine. There were times (haven't done it recently) when I had to hook a CRT (with adapter) to my Mac lap when I needed "extra space." I am now VGA free, except for the little DVI to VGA adapters I keep in my desk drawer and laptop bag. One just never knows. Jerry, Delbert (et al) I often get entirely too many windows open. Even with duals. If you are running XP on single or dual have you tried / seen Xilokit Deskloops? http://www.xilokit.com/deskloops/ (just an endorsement from a happy user) Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delbert Hall" > > You may find that your video card will work as a dual-head system > > using both outputs at the same time. My wife's CAD system has two > > monitors, one DVI, one VGA. Works fine, even with the monitors > > different sizes. > > > > Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com > > That is how I have my computer set up. Great for CAD. It was easy to > set up this way. I will never go back to a single monitor. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:43:45 +0000 Message-Id: <20070131174345.CYZR29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Paul Schreiner" > Date: 2007/01/30 Tue AM 04:40:43 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought > new and still own > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > What is the oldest tool that you still own that you purchased new? I still have, and use, a 16oz cross-pein hammer that my father gave me, new, more than fifty years ago. Most of my chisels are much older than that, but I inherited them. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:01:28 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Mac computer question In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070131180128.712A517F9C6 [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References:

At 08:37 AM 1/31/2007, Delbert Hall wrote: >That is how I have my computer set up. Great for CAD. It was easy to >set up this way. I will never go back to a single monitor. My only problem with it is she wanted them color balanced to each other. An old, used VGA and a brand new DVI (both LCD, different brands). She's learning to live with the color difference (I think part of the problem is age-dimming of the VGA). My new monitor (she got my old VGA) is a Princeton VL2018W (1680 x 1050) and there's a couple of odd things with it. First, it has built-in speakers...on the back facing the wall. Sounds as bad as you'd expect. Second, I use it on both our Mac server and a Windows-00 system (KVM switch). If either system is booted when the monitor is switched to the other system, the system changes the desktop to 1600 x 1200 which the monitor really doesn't like. I've never seen this with any other monitor/system. Is there something about 1680 x 1050 that systems don't believe? I would HOPE the KVM switch is faithfully remembering the setup to pass to the other system. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000a01c74561$ebca5ac0$1901a8c0 [at] chris> Reply-To: "chrisharris25" From: "chrisharris25" References: Subject: Re: Dead Languages 101 (was: Re: electricity to revolving stage) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:02:00 -0500 >>Does the Catholic Church count? As someone who studied Latin for 3 years in high school, it was explained to me in this manner: 1. For a language to be truly considered "alive", it would be one taught from parent to child in a conversational context. 2. The language should/would be used in an everyday context, not just in a presentational manner. To anyone's knowledge, no society or group of people is doing the former. Even the Catholic Church, to my knowledge, is not doing the latter. The Latin Mass is more a "performance" type of presentation then a dialogue between clergy and congregation. The clergy and congregation may know all the words and their meanings, but they aren't being used in a "conversational" context. And I'm fairly sure all those in Vatican City are not conversing with each other on a day to day basis in Latin. Just my 2 denarii's worth! :-) Chris Harris www.sapsis-rigging.com ------------------------------ Subject: Farewell to threads? Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:02:25 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: From: "David Fox" >Man, of all times to move the show. I get back to the >list and have to spend three days breezing through all >kabillion messages to catch up.=20 > Whew! - a lot to catch up on. Well said!(especially the snipped part) And possibly and end to quite a few of these threads? (hint hint) _________________________________ =20 It is important to note that the opinions of the individual and those of their employer are not always aligned.=20 What you have read should be construed as my opinion and not the opinion of my employer. If you don't like or agree with my thoughts and musings; I am the one you should take to task and not the nice people who pay me. =20 Be Seeing You David _________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:01:27 GMT Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question Message-Id: <20070131.100226.15672.1112934 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> I've been using dual monitors since I replaced a computer the day = Windows XP Media Edition was launched. It came with DVI & VGA ports. /s/ Richard _________________________ Dual is Cual (the English language is so difficult) For more than a year I had a DVI /19" LCD and a VGA/ 21" CRT hooked up to my desktop system. I had to use a DVI to VGA adapter to the CRT monitor. I only had to worry about color correction on the LCD. It worked fine. From: "Delbert Hall" > > You may find that your video card will work as a dual-head system > > using both outputs at the same time. My wife's CAD system has two > > monitors, one DVI, one VGA. Works fine, even with the monitors > > different sizes. > > > > Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070131105932.00c96608 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:59:32 From: CB Subject: Re: Powered Speakers >It's soooo much nicer than the >klaxons or buzzers that I've run into elsewhere. I prefer a thinking human being making decisions in an emergency to a pre-recorded digital chip giving instructions to a near-panicked crowd. Horses for courses. "Resistance is futile". Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070131110416.00c96608 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:04:16 From: CB Subject: Today's coolest new thing >Coolest thing I've seen in a while, courtesy of the Dirty Rotten >Scoundrels tour (and supplied by PRG); If they're still there, tell Ryan Marqhart that I said, "Hey". I was supposed to go out with them but just couldn't muster the enthusiasm to get rolling in 48 hours. Ryan is aobut the nicest, funniest guy you'll meet on the deck, and half the reason that I considered going out with them! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <056F7DB1-51A6-468F-A2F4-31F557AB7B26 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Gmail Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:32:30 -0500 On 30 Jan 2007, at 17:18, Paul Marsland wrote: > Thanks for the tip(s) -- now I can rest that the bandwidth police > won't come after me. Ironic that you would say that in a post that featured excessive quoting! ;-) Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070131111111.00c96608 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:11:11 From: CB Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? Hey Chip. I'm not gonna pay $2900 a night to stay in downtown, but I'd pay $75 to stay on the freeway somewhere. Any idea what's, say, between you and the USITT site that fits the bill? For $200, I'd drive back and forth each day... Chris Babbie ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:40:00 -0500 From: "Paul Marsland" Subject: Re: Gmail In-Reply-To: References:

Darn that new-fangled Gmail and that it hides what I'm quoting -- I'll get better, really, I will, really. Paul On 1/31/07, Bruce Purdy wrote: > > Ironic that you would say that in a post that featured excessive > quoting! ;-) > > Bruce > ____________________ > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > Smith Opera House > > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070131112851.00c96608 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:28:51 From: CB Subject: Fire Doors .... >What really irks me are the people, usually renters of the space from the >community, who think they are above the rules and they tie the main doors >open to the hooks for the fire extinguishers mounted inside the vestibules >and leave the fire extinguishers sitting in the corner. It seems as if nearly every one of your users has an issue with the doors, and it's becoming epidemic. Using the argument that it's nearly impossible to keep track of all of the vilolations, and that there is a danger of one or two of them being missed in the event of an emergency, suggest the magnetic door holders. They hold the door open, but if the alarm is triggered there is an electro-magnetic pulse that allows the doors to close. All you have to do is make sure that the doorways are clear. Any policy that finds human interactions as it's constant adversary is bound for failure. Any emergency policy that finds adversarial opposition at every turn is bound for catastrophic failure. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070131113116.00c96608 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:31:16 From: CB Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? > Why's the viola so important? Jokes = Cats Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <552F75F5-46EA-4E34-B38C-4FB586928C3D [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: High School curriculum Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:06:54 -0500 On 30 Jan 2007, at 22:54, Eric Rouse wrote: > One of the main issues I seem to have is that few > high school students realize that Technical Direction is even an > option of a career path. My freshman year in the drama dept. at SU, I was exploring what I wanted to do. I thought the TD was an interesting looking roll, but when I talked to the TD there he said that it isn't a real job that anyone would want! He considered it a "Stepping stone" position, or something to do between decent jobs. Apparently he lacked real job satisfaction, and took it out on an impressionable student. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matt Gard" I have confused every one of my Coworkers who has sat down to my Dual=20 screen setup. They always lose the cursor on the 2nd screen. I would=20 be sad if I had to go back to flipping between VW and LW when I'm=20 circuiting, though. I also love it because When I click a link in=20 Outlook, Firefox opens on the other screen.=20 I have yet to try out Multiple Desktops, but I think that time is=20 nearing. My iBook has a teeny tiny screen, and the desktop get=20 cluttered with work stuff, so I think it's about time to start Desktop Switching. Has anyone tried Multiple Desktops? Like em? hate em?=20 Matt -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of ladesigners [at] juno.com Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:01 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I've been using dual monitors since I replaced a computer the day =20 Windows XP Media Edition was launched. It came with DVI & VGA ports. /s/ Richard _________________________ Dual is Cual (the English language is so difficult) For more than a year I had a DVI /19" LCD and a VGA/ 21" CRT hooked up to my desktop system. I had to use a DVI to VGA adapter to the CRT monitor. I only had to worry about color correction on the LCD. It worked fine. From: "Delbert Hall" > > You may find that your video card will work as a dual-head system > > using both outputs at the same time. My wife's CAD system has two > > monitors, one DVI, one VGA. Works fine, even with the monitors > > different sizes. > > > > Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070131115939.00c96608 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:59:39 From: CB Subject: Patchbays > Here, don't >take my word for it, I'll pass on some selections from a recent discussion >(one of many over the last couple years from the Theatre-Sound Mailing >List): >>I cannot think of a single circumstance IN LIVE SOUND REINFORCEMENT, >>PARTICULARLY INVOLVING PATCHING OF MIC LEVEL SIGNALS where a phone >>connector would be better than an XLR. >>I can't remember the last time I've seen a 1/4" patch bay in a theatre >>sound reinforcement system. I've seen XLR patchbays in lots of theatres >>all over the country. Well, first off, tell Ray in Pasedena, hell, tell them all that I said "Hello". Sometimes I miss that list. Unless I subscribe, of course... Anyhoo, Rays' problem (the last coupla times I was there) is that there isn't a lot of maintenance being done to those patch bays. John Bracewell says the same thing I did. Great if they're maintained, suck if they're not, not having normalling is a problem. Having the existing XLR panels and snake, lots of room, and budget were also mentioned in his post Richard brings up that set of circumstances, cost and space. If you've unlimited rack space and budget, great! If you don't... JvB is the only one that really just comes out and says screw the space, screw the budget, just make it happen; but he's also referring to a remote truck where it just has to happen, you are out in the field with a (usually) live event, and you get one shot at it. Yeah, XLR's are nice, no argument. But "XLR's are everywhere and there isn't a use for tt, Bantam, 1/4", 7016624G1milspec, whatever", I'm not sure I'd go that far. I've done installations in the television studios and master control of a public access facility, in the mid eighties/early nineties, using 1/4" patch bays with public access volunteers using them. Shortly after I did the installation, the engineering department was, well, sorta disbanded. The worst possible users (transient, with little or no training) in an environment where maintenance is probalby not going to happen on any kind of a regular basis, if at all, and they're still working just fine. And everything (that's *all* audio signals) goes throught two sets of patch panels, minimum, to get to the modulator. Would I ike to have XLR's? Like most of the folk that you quoted on the TSL, "It depends". Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <4DEC8CA7-0E64-4F17-882D-0B686388551B [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: High School curriculum Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:29:08 -0500 On 30 Jan 2007, at 23:25, Risa Strobel wrote: > I graduated high school from a small high school in a town of > 15,000. We had a generic "Drama" class, with those of us > interested in the technical side of things just kind of figuring it > out on our own. 35 years ago, my high school didn't even offer any generic "Drama" class. There was a certain "Drama" element incorporated into the English class program, but that was about all. There were a couple of teachers that directed community theatre, and also directed our school plays and musicals, but it was strictly extracurricular and not at all educational. Any tech was done by the AV club - in which I was highly involved. > I am shocked and amazed that we didn't destroy the theater or > ourselves; we really had no supervision. Yeah, like when I took it upon myself to re-wire the three phase rheostat dimmer board because I didn't like the way that the dimmers were arranged and there wasn't a patch board! My first attempt at electric wiring, and no one knew I was doing it 'till after the fact. (I had my own master key, and came and went on the weekends.) Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Terry Price Subject: Outdoor Lighting Fixture Suggestion Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:29:17 -0600 Looking for a durable, cheap Par fixture that works well outside. Weather conditions range from heavy rain to 110 degrees. (This is for an open-air theatre space; they will not be operated during rainfall.) TIA for any suggestions. -------- Terry L. Price, MFA Assistant Professor Department of Dramatic Media Texas Lutheran University 1000 West Court Street Seguin, TX 78155 (830) 372-8191 (voice) (830) 372-8188 (fax) tprice [at] tlu.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:36:31 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Gmail In-Reply-To: References:

On 1/31/07, Bruce Purdy wrote: > Ironic that you would say that in a post that featured excessive > quoting! ;-) Bruce, Gmail hides (or collapses) quotes when viewing mail. If you make a quick reply, top-posted, it is easy to forget to trim the quotes. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:25:00 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: USITT Reception in Phoenix USITT will give us a breakout room in the Hyatt on Friday at 10:00PM with round tables and 50 chairs. No food or drinks, I am told. We do not have to use it, but at least we will have a place to meet unless we decide to go somewhere else. Might be a good place to meet and then go out for adult beverages. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:27:54 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixture Suggestion In-Reply-To: References:

> Looking for a durable, cheap Par fixture that works well outside. > Weather conditions range from heavy rain to 110 degrees. (This is for > an open-air theatre space; they will not be operated during > rainfall.) TIA for any suggestions. They are not the cheapest PARs, but I have been usring S4 PARSs in an outdoor theatre for 10 years. They all still work fine. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <059601c74577$2ba81910$6a01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Panic Bars Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:34:12 -0600 "Making it look professional enough to pass fire inspection and public contact would be the big challenge." Professional enough will be interpreted in a court as having a UL or other label from a nationally recognized testing laboratory, which you get legally after having the design tested for tens of thousands of dollars. I strongly recommend you not mess with safety and circumvent applicable regulations, like the Station owners and Great White stage manager did. Of course you may get away with it as others involved with Station tragedy did. Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <0918C3B0-EF73-4848-8C72-6BB8B504FB37 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Gmail Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:46:30 -0500 On 31 Jan 2007, at 14:36, Brian Munroe wrote: >> Ironic that you would say that in a post that featured >> excessive >> quoting! ;-) > > Bruce, Gmail hides (or collapses) quotes when viewing mail. If you > make a quick reply, top-posted, it is easy to forget to trim the > quotes. That may be, but since his post was that he needn't worry about being accused of wasting bandwidth, My ribbing was still in order. "It's a poor workman that blames his tools" and all that. ;-) From all the raving I keep hearing about Gmail, I see that there is at least one downside! ;-) Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Gmail Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A074F9446 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > From all the raving I keep hearing about Gmail, I see=20 > that there is at least one downside! ;-) The quoting thing doesn't happen *inside* the text window one uses to compose the messages, only in the display of the finished product. That being said, for habitual top-posters it's easy to forget that there's stuff below...I'm not sure how much of the issue is "top-postitis" and how much requires a gmailoscopy. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008901c7457a$238390e0$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References: Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:55:27 -0500 Matt: When you say multiple Desktops do you mean multiple monitors or multiple PC's? I have one dual monitor XP Pro PC with my design work on it that is rarely on the internet. It is networked to a single monitor Win2000 machine that is always on, which I have all the internet capabilities (and it's vulnerabilities) running. The work between is ALMOST seamless. I do, rarely, have XP files opened to the 2000 machine as I have the previously mentioned Deskloops on the XP machine. Do I enjoy it? oh yes Is it productive? I won't say three times as a single PC, but it sure makes life easier. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Gard" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I have confused every one of my Coworkers who has sat down to my Dual screen setup. They always lose the cursor on the 2nd screen. I would be sad if I had to go back to flipping between VW and LW when I'm circuiting, though. I also love it because When I click a link in Outlook, Firefox opens on the other screen. I have yet to try out Multiple Desktops, but I think that time is nearing. My iBook has a teeny tiny screen, and the desktop get cluttered with work stuff, so I think it's about time to start Desktop Switching. Has anyone tried Multiple Desktops? Like em? hate em? Matt ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:29:39 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matt Gard" Rob I actually meant 2 "desktops" ie: the place where all of your icons sit. As I understand it, it is possible to have multiple "desktops" per user=20 in XP or OSX, and that they are similar to the workspaces in = VectorWorks. In other words, I could have my Lightwright and Vectorworks Icons, etc on one desktop, and without switching users, flip to my other desktop=20 very quickly which may have, let's say Quake III and Firefox on it.=20 P.S.- I looked at deskloops. It looks neat, but I think I'm gonna hunt=20 for something that is more "expose" like. that is probably my favorite=20 OSX feature.=20 Matt Gard Master Electrician Virginia Stage Company 757-627-6988 x349 --------------------------------------------------- Matt: When you say multiple Desktops do you mean multiple monitors or multiple PC's? I have one dual monitor XP Pro PC with my design work on it that is rarely on the internet. It is networked to a single monitor Win2000 machine that is always on, which I have all the internet capabilities (and it's vulnerabilities) running. The work between is ALMOST seamless. I do, rarely, have XP files opened to the 2000 machine as I have the previously mentioned Deskloops on the XP machine. Do I enjoy it? oh yes Is it productive? I won't say three times as a single PC, but it sure makes life easier. Rob't --------------------------------------------------- I have confused every one of my Coworkers who has sat down to my Dual screen setup. They always lose the cursor on the 2nd screen. I would be sad if I had to go back to flipping between VW and LW when I'm circuiting, though. I also love it because When I click a link in Outlook, Firefox opens on the other screen. I have yet to try out Multiple Desktops, but I think that time is nearing. My iBook has a teeny tiny screen, and the desktop get cluttered with work stuff, so I think it's about time to start Desktop Switching. Has anyone tried Multiple Desktops? Like em? hate em? Matt ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:36:46 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question In-Reply-To: References:

I keep some icons on one monitor and some on the other monitor. I often have two programs running at the same time (one on each monitor). There is a utility called Virtual Desktop Manager that is pat of Microsoft Power Toys for XP that lets you manage four desktops from the Windows task bar. I have not used it, but if you do a lot lot of multi-tasking, it might be very useful You can get it at: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C10C93.4000404 [at] kylerglaze.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:39:31 -0600 From: Kyler Glaze Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question References: In-Reply-To: I've used multiple desktops in a few versions of Linux (Lycoris, Ubuntu, Suse) and I'd have to say the best execution of this is in the newer 3D window managers. They give you the effect that you're looking at a cube, and the faces of the cube are your desktops. It makes it a lot easier to keep track of whats on each desktop as you spin the cube. I haven't found a program for Windows that works well for multiple virtual desktops. The one from MS Power Toys isn't really easy to use, and most of the third-party solutions are clunky and slow unless you've got a high-end machine. Matt Gard wrote: > I actually meant 2 "desktops" ie: the place where all of your icons sit. > As I understand it, it is possible to have multiple "desktops" per user > in XP or OSX, and that they are similar to the workspaces in VectorWorks. > In other words, I could have my Lightwright and Vectorworks Icons, etc > on one desktop, and without switching users, flip to my other desktop > very quickly which may have, let's say Quake III and Firefox on it. > > P.S.- I looked at deskloops. It looks neat, but I think I'm gonna hunt > for something that is more "expose" like. that is probably my favorite > OSX feature. -- Kyler Glaze kyler [at] kylerglaze.com Treasurer/Webmaster USITT [at] UTA http://www.usittuta.org/ Webmaster UTA Dept. of Theatre Arts http://www.uta.edu/theatre/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00a701c74580$9a618040$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References: Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:41:43 -0500 I've read about that, haven't tried it. I do, however, have an extra Shortcut toolbar that I populated with my drawing and text tools. It sits on the side and pops up when I drag the pointer over there. In short, an extra Quick Launch toolbar. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Gard" I actually meant 2 "desktops" ie: the place where all of your icons sit. As I understand it, it is possible to have multiple "desktops" per user in XP or OSX, and that they are similar to the workspaces in VectorWorks. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:43:38 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Gmail In-Reply-To: References:

On 1/31/07, Bruce Purdy wrote: > That may be, but since his post was that he needn't worry about > being accused of wasting bandwidth, My ribbing was still in order. Of course, take any chance you can to give a good ribbing. > "It's a poor workman that blames his tools" and all that. ;-) A good craftsman blames others. If you don't know what to say, know who to blame. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:50:51 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question In-Reply-To: References:

OK, I just installed MS Virtual Desktop Manager and it allows you to quickly switch between four desktops. I can have a different programs on each monitor, so I could easily work with eight programs pretty easily. I see a couple of thing about this program that I don't like, but it might be useful. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ From: "Jim, RC4 Wireless" References: Subject: RE: [user_group] Re: USITT List Get Together? Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: <007a01c74583$059e4800$6700a8c0 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > Hey Chip. I'm not gonna pay $2900 a night to stay in > downtown, but I'd pay > $75 to stay on the freeway somewhere. Any idea what's, say, > between you and the USITT site that fits the bill? For $200, > I'd drive back and forth each day... I got a room at the Super-8. It's a short walk from the convention centre, $89.99 per night: http://tinyurl.com/2qv3jv Jim RC4 www.theatrewireless.com ------------------------------ From: "Chris Kennedy" Subject: RE: Cello Platform Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:06:36 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: The last time we needed one of these we gave the performer a standard triscuit (4'x4', 5/8" ply stressed skin) to play on. She absolutely loved it so we let her take one home with her after the production. Chris Kennedy Technical Director La Jolla Playhouse 858.822.4456 > >I have need of constructing a cello platform (or riser or box or whatever). >The fellow from the school of music here who was going to give me info >regarding materials and construction method has not come through. Any one >on the list have a solution that will best enhance the sound? Dimensions >and >materials and openings are of concern and are unknowns for me. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2cbf9bf5891417d83c479f4e298aa8d4 [at] nyu.edu> Cc: Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu (Philip Johnson) From: Mike Voytko Subject: Re: House lights Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:02:28 -0500 Philip, If you have PAR 38 floods now, check out GE's "HIR" line of halogen lamps. They come in a variety of beam spreads and 3000 or 6000 hr lamp life. Wattages range from 50 to 100, more efficient than their standard halogen equivalents, so perhaps you can sell your PTB on energy savings and still keep the full dimming range. HTH, Mike V. -- Mike Voytko Lighting & Sound Supervisor TSOA Theatrical Production New York University On Jan 27, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Philip Johnson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > The university I work at is looking at new lamps to use in the > auditorium > lights. They proposed the flourescent floods which they say are > dimmable.(it says so on the box) I am concerned with their ability to > be > used at low intensity and also if they bump when they fade up to a full > intensity. Currently they do the typical flash as all flourescent > lamps do. > > Questions > > 1. Anyone have experience with these types of lamps? I have 150 watt > lamps > in them now, need something with comparable light output ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:08:10 -0500 Subject: Re: USITT Reception in Phoenix From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Whoever is last leave a sign on the door as to where you go. shelley On 1/31/07 3:25 PM, "Delbert Hall" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > USITT will give us a breakout room in the Hyatt on Friday at 10:00PM > with round tables and 50 chairs. No food or drinks, I am told. We do > not have to use it, but at least we will have a place to meet unless > we decide to go somewhere else. Might be a good place to meet and > then go out for adult beverages. > > -Delbert -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:16:09 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Gmail References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bruce Purdy writes > That may be, but since his post was that he needn't worry about >being accused of wasting bandwidth, My ribbing was still in order. >"It's a poor workman that blames his tools" and all that. ;-) > > From all the raving I keep hearing about Gmail, I see that there >is at least one downside! ;-) It is a bit of a downside to an otherwise very good system. It really does want to quote absolutely everything. On a plus side that does keep everything in context. It does seem to encourage top posting which you soon get used to. (Unless your Frank) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <5FE85BF5-3A9A-4C25-B7E1-4BBDACF9C005 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Gmail Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:30:16 -0500 On 31 Jan 2007, at 17:16, Clive Mitchell wrote: > It does seem to encourage top posting which you soon get used to. "Get used to" as in the sender, or as in the recipient? Please don't expect everyone else to "Get used to" it because it's easier for you, or because that's the way Gmail works. I still prefer to use Mac's "Mail" program. It gives me the choice of top posting or bottom posting. I do tend to use top posting and excessive quoting in off-list / personal / business correspondence. For the list, however bottom posting and judicious quoting is far preferable, (Especially for the digesters!) so I do that. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: "David B. Nelson" References:

Subject: Posting etiquette (was RE: Gmail) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:31:58 -0500 Message-ID: <020501c74587$9ef38750$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603> In-Reply-To: > It does seem to encourage top posting which you > soon get used to. (Unless your Frank) Top posting is discouraged on lots of professional mailing lists I'm subscribed to. Other items of etiquette include snipping out all non-critical text, and changing the subject line when the subject of the thread has changed. :-) Regards, Dave Nelson Technical Director Adams Memorial Opera House Derry, NH, USA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:49:03 -0500 Subject: Re; Gmail_Frank was Re: Posting etiquette (was RE: Gmail) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <28107769.1170282830213.JavaMail.root [at] m41> What about MY FRANK? On 1/31/07 5:31 PM, "David B. Nelson" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> It does seem to encourage top posting which you >> soon get used to. (Unless your Frank) -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1123 ******************************