Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 39334277; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:00:46 -0800 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=ham version=3.1.5 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1044 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:00:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1044 1. Re: Ship hits bridge??? by Clive Mitchell 2. OT: good day for a ride by "Dougherty, Jim" 3. Re: Give it a Break! by Stephen Rees 4. Re: Design fee? by Jim Hyslop 5. Re: Design fee? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 6. Re: Design fee? by Robert Graham 7. Re: Design fee? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 8. Re: Fake Books by Andy Champ-Doran 9. Re: Fake Books by Ford Sellers 10. Teaching Stagecraft with a large class by "pearsontony" 11. Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class by Stan Jensen 12. Re: OT: I'm a grandfather! by "Ken Romaine" 13. Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class by "Storms, Randy" 14. Re: OT: I'm a grandfather! by "Delbert Hall" 15. Digital Cameras by Stephen Rees 16. Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class by Charlie Fraser 17. Re: Shipping container explosion test videos by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: To Gloat or Not To Gloat? by "Paul Schreiner" 19. Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class by "RD" 20. Re: 3.5" floppy disks and flash drives by Chip Wood 21. Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class by "RD" 22. Re: Give it a Break! by "Paul Schreiner" 23. Re: To Gloat or Not To Gloat? by CB 24. Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class by "Steven Santos" 25. Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class by John Bracewell 26. Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class by "Paul Schreiner" 27. Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class by "Paul Schreiner" 28. Clive's Cookery by CB 29. Re: To Gloat or Not To Gloat? by CB 30. Re: Neutral Density by CB 31. Re: Firestarter flashlight by "Frank E. Merrill" 32. Re: 3.5" floppy disks and flash drives by "Jim, RC4 Wireless" 33. Re: Give it a Break! by CB 34. Re: Autoreply: Stagecraft Digest #1041 by CB 35. Re: To Gloat or Not To Gloat? by Jim Hyslop 36. Re: Neutral Density by CB 37. Re: Clive's Cookery by Clive Mitchell 38. Re: Firestarter flashlight by "RD" 39. Totally Stagecraft related; made on a mac by Herrick Goldman 40. Re: Firestarter flashlight by "Daniel Kelly" 41. Re: Totally Stagecraft related; made on a mac by Philip Johnson 42. Re: Totally Stagecraft related; made on a mac by Robert Graham 43. Re: Firestarter flashlight by Dale farmer 44. Re: Fake Books by Pat Kight 45. Re: Totally Stagecraft related; made on a mac by Herrick Goldman 46. Re: Fake Books by Pat Kight 47. Re: Totally Stagecraft related; made on a mac by Pat Kight 48. Re: ETCP Electrician test by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 49. Fake Books by Shell Dalzell *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <72g3BeBYjAdFFwjI [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:39:04 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Ship hits bridge??? References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Occy writes >That was sad that man lost his dream... a boat. It looks the draw >bridge wasn't up as reported to the captain of the boat. It was brought down as the boat was passing underneath it. Fortunately the crew were told to abandon the pilothouse and the captain had a very lucky escape when he threw himself on the floor and the majority of the metalwork was ripped apart just a foot or two above him. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:49:07 -0500 Subject: OT: good day for a ride From: "Dougherty, Jim" Message-ID: FWIW, yesterday was a beautiful day for a motorcycle ride in Vermont, too. You could probably ride to Killington or one of the other mountains on perfectly dry roads, ski a while, and ride home if you wanted to. I went up and down my part of the Champlain valley, though. I think it was around the time the olympics were in Norway that I heard the saying, "There's no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing." - Jim Dougherty ATD, Middlebury College ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 09:19:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Give it a Break! From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Not to mention that SUNY-Plattsburgh has one of the nicest Conference Centers and guest lodging I have ever stayed in. The view of the sunrise over the lake and the mountains of Vermont is not to be missed. Steve Rees (Whose son is class of 2005 in HRT) On 12/2/06 12:28 PM, "Kim Hartshorn" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > This list, at least the way I see it, is for the dissemination of information, > ideas, opinions and questions. What is misinformation to one person is an > opinion to someone else. I wish people would not assume that there is an > implied duty to stop misinformation and please please stop trying to > prove that > other people are wrong. I truly enjoy seeing differing viewpoints, hearing > about alternative practices, it is my job, not the job of someone else, to > decide how I use this information. Please do not elevate the hostility level > of the list in the name of 'protecting' me or other innocents from what some > might perceive as 'misinformation'. Present a point of view, present > information, second or third someone elses view or approach and then let the > argument speak for itself. > > Above all, consider subscribing to the digest. :-) it is a great way to avoid > runaway thread explosions. > > Kim Hartshorn > Plattsburgh > Just south of Cumberland Head between Whiteface Mountain and Lake > Champlain, two > of the best unstressing/unwinding spots in North America! Ski and Sail > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <457431FF.3040203 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 09:34:39 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Design fee? References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > Er, I thought you said sound design, and I don't know why. Probably all that discussion about colour temperature and neutral density got you all confusticated :-) > For some reason, there is still a bit of sense of sound design being a > package that gets delivered two weeks after you send off a copy of the > script and a check. I kinda wanted them to see the results of exactly that. To some people, "sound design" simply means coming up with a set of sound FX that get played during the show. Had that problem with our recent production of "Cabaret" - the SD handed in a CD with sound effects on it, and thought his work was done. He had no interest in setting levels, integrating body mic cues, balancing the sound, etc. etc. Put one HELL of a stress load on the sound operator. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Design fee? Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:44:08 -0500 Message-ID: <03ab01c717b2$a7ff4350$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > To some people, "sound design" simply means coming up with a > set of sound FX that get played during the show. To some people -- including, alas, many directors -- "sound design" means recording the list of music/FX that the director devises. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45743895.1030902 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:02:45 -0500 From: Robert Graham Reply-To: photonguide [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Design fee? References: In-Reply-To: There are still, regrettably, directors who think the same thing about design in general. "Here's the way it should look........." Don't you just love hearing phrases like that at an initial meeting? -Rob Graham Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> To some people, "sound design" simply means coming up with a >> set of sound FX that get played during the show. >> > > To some people -- including, alas, many directors -- "sound design" means > recording the list of music/FX that the director devises. > > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: photonguide [at] gmail.com Subject: RE: Design fee? Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:04:50 -0500 Message-ID: <03ac01c717b5$8c59e710$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > "Here's the way it should look........." ...Or, "What they did in New York was...." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061204110006.qqx9v07qgow4c8kg [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:00:06 -0500 From: Andy Champ-Doran Subject: Re: Fake Books References:

In-Reply-To: Shell, What we've done in the past is to take all of the pages out of =20 cast-off or yard sale books, and adhere foam between the covers. =20 makes for a bunch of pretty light books. Just use a bandsaw to cut =20 on the page side of the binding. That helps maintain the integrity of =20 the spine, and they look like "real" books. Very little dressing work =20 after to dress them up. You might even want to replace the foam with =20 , say 3/8" pine spacers and glue that in. It's a wee bit heavier, but =20 a lot cheaper. Sometimes, your local library will have a load of books they'd be =20 willing to dump on you, as they have been the recipiens of such =20 dumping themselves. Andy Champ-Doran Technical Director Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater Annandale-on-Hudson, NY 12504 (845) 758-7962 Quoting Shell Dalzell : > Hey All, > Am building WAOV Woolf shortly and will need an helacious number of > books. Any ideas other than Real, Styrofoam, or Vacuform? > Any sources you have found for Vacuform or Styro pre-made. > > Aloha, Shell > sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061204110515.03258c90 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:06:18 -0500 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Fake Books In-Reply-To: References:

Painted Foam-core...though not ideal, will get the job done Quickly, and relatively painlessly. -Ford >>Hey All, >>Am building WAOV Woolf shortly and will need an helacious number of >>books. Any ideas other than Real, Styrofoam, or Vacuform? >>Any sources you have found for Vacuform or Styro pre-made. > > >> >>Aloha, Shell >>sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com > ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001801c717c0$e345a360$0bb9b946 [at] cx2347811b> From: "pearsontony" References: Subject: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:25:59 -0500 Hi All, I need help. I'm trying to plan for a stagecraft class that has twenty students. Previously, I've been teaching at a school where TEN students is a large stagecraft class. So, at the moment my brain is in "oh god there's no way to give twenty students hands-on experience what am I going to do" mode. I personally think that the best way to teach tool use--safe tool use, that is--is to give hands on instruction where I can carefully observe. So far, the best thing I can come up with is to structure class like a lecture/demonstration and use required shop hours to supply the hands on time. Any suggestions or ideas from people who've done this already? Thanks, Tony Pearson ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <963D78E0-D4C1-40DA-9445-C874F3B2A52E [at] cmich.edu> From: Stan Jensen Subject: Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:05:02 -0500 On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:25 AM, pearsontony wrote: > . . . trying to plan for a stagecraft class that has twenty > students. . . . Any suggestions or ideas from people who've done > this already? I am sure there are a number of ways to do this. Two that I know can work from experience: Structure the course with one or two "lectures" each week, and additional "labs" with part of the class in each lab. For example, Mon & Wed each a one-hour class with everyone. Tue a two-hour lab with ten students (section 1) and Thu a two-hour lab with the other ten students (section 2). This means more time for you, unless you have upperclass shop aids or grad students, and the institution will have to accommodate your schedule and credit structure, but it works well. When I last used this system, we had 47 students and 4 sections. We also had a grad program. The second way can work as you suggested. If outside shop hours are required, do the hands on tool and safety training then. Assuming your students sign up for different times throughout the week, this plan can work rather like the first. In either case you will need some paperwork to keep track of who "has" and who "has not." Stan Jensen Central Michigan University ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:10:49 -0500 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: OT: I'm a grandfather! In-Reply-To: References: <209E6DA2-82AE-40D4-8A61-1B5CFBE5CA6C [at] rochester.rr.com> Bruce: Hearty congratulations to you and your newly-enlarged family! -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 12/2/06, Bruce Purdy wrote: > > http://home.rochester.rr.com/brucepurdy/Tyler/index.html > > Bruce ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:09:46 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C3E1 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Hi Tony, The only strategy I've come up with is to break the class up into small = groups and have them rotate through various units, so that the load is = staggered (i.e., so you don't have 19 students waiting in line while 1 = kid learns how to use the drill press). =20 It's hard, but if you (for instance) start one group on lighting, one on = sound, one on stage carpentry, and one on scene painting; and then swap = them around every two weeks or so, everyone gets a little more hands-on. = The downside is the groups need to be able to work fairly independently = since you can't do everything at once, and also you end up giving the = same mini lectures four times... I won't say this works, exactly, but it comes closer to working than = anything else I've attempted! I'm curious to see how others have = handled this! Good Luck,=20 Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu -----Original Message----- Hi All, I need help. I'm trying to plan for a stagecraft class that has twenty=20 students. Previously, I've been teaching at a school where TEN students = is=20 a large stagecraft class. So, at the moment my brain is in "oh god = there's=20 no way to give twenty students hands-on experience what am I going to = do"=20 mode.=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:29:00 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: OT: I'm a grandfather! In-Reply-To: References: <209E6DA2-82AE-40D4-8A61-1B5CFBE5CA6C [at] rochester.rr.com>

Congratulations Gramps. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:43:30 -0500 Subject: Digital Cameras From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: We recently purchased a Canon Rebel Xti. It has performed very well for the two productions on which it has been used. I noticed just now that CalumetPhoto in Chicago has dropped the price to $709.00. We paid $899.00 for it about three months ago. Very good pricing now and also the camera is very easy to learn. Not so different from the film SLR format from days gone by. Steve Rees ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45745EDD.8010506 [at] charliefraser.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:46:05 -0500 From: Charlie Fraser Subject: Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class References: In-Reply-To: Just my 2 cents. Admittedly I have never taught a stagecraft class but I was in classes with over 20 people and the way it was handled is it was mostly classroom and safety with a 50 hour work requirement (that was High School). Personally now as a community theater TD I like the volunteer aspect of it. The kids benefit from outside experience and a sense of volunteering and the organizations benefit. I met a lot of good folks when I had to do my hours, got to work with an off Broadway director and Broadway understudies. Charlie Storms, Randy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Tony, > > The only strategy I've come up with is to break the class up into small groups and have them rotate through various units, so that the load is staggered (i.e., so you don't have 19 students waiting in line while 1 kid learns how to use the drill press). > > It's hard, but if you (for instance) start one group on lighting, one on sound, one on stage carpentry, and one on scene painting; and then swap them around every two weeks or so, everyone gets a little more hands-on. The downside is the groups need to be able to work fairly independently since you can't do everything at once, and also you end up giving the same mini lectures four times... > > I won't say this works, exactly, but it comes closer to working than anything else I've attempted! I'm curious to see how others have handled this! > > Good Luck, > > Randy Storms > rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu > > -----Original Message----- > Hi All, > I need help. I'm trying to plan for a stagecraft class that has twenty > students. Previously, I've been teaching at a school where TEN students is > a large stagecraft class. So, at the moment my brain is in "oh god there's > no way to give twenty students hands-on experience what am I going to do" > mode. > > > > > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:58:52 EST Subject: Re: Shipping container explosion test videos In a message dated 04/12/06 00:40:56 GMT Standard Time, dale [at] cybercom.net writes: > Hear about the fireworks factory in Sussex, UK? Big fire, lots of > pretty explosions. NBC news put a clip in the evening news just now. Spectacular, according to UK news pictures. By the way, it was about two miles from Glyndebourne. Just as well the season is not open. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: RE: To Gloat or Not To Gloat? Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A06D8FACB [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > I like the snow and drive well in it because I learned to=20 > drive on "hard pack" where the streets are permanently=20 > covered with about an inch of hard packed snow. You avoid=20 > breaking because it can cause you to skid and instead use the=20 > momentum of the car for movement - a lot like piloting a motor boat. One of the reasons I dislike mandatory anti-lock brakes. Every technique that I've ever been taught for handling stopping in bad weather (snow or rain) is rendered less effective by them. =20 That being said, Kristi forgot one word. One should avoid *hard* braking in times like this... > THEN learn how to steer out of a skin (hint=20 > - turn INTO it) at slow speeds and practice enough so that if=20 > it happens at a faster speed, you do it without needing to=20 > think through the process.=20 I once started to fishtail on an S-curve doing about 35 with a good friend in the passenger seat. Having been through this sort of thing enough, not only did I manage to pull out of the skid without any difficulty, but did so without stopping the flow of the conversation we were in the middle of. It was all very nonchalant...in fact, the only indication later that we'd been in any sort of danger was afterwards when he took the opportunity to commend me for my driving skills. > Snow? A good excuse to play outside! I miss Buffalo winters and tackle football in the snow... > However, temperatures under 0 Fahrenheit with wind chills in=20 > the -40 range are a whole 'nuther thing! That's when it becomes a good excuse to play inside (with one's SO, of course)! :) ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:21:16 -0700 Message-ID: <01a101c717d0$ff966030$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: In my experience .... the reasoning for small units in classes, was the supervision required by the legal requirements in schools. Especially in shop areas, and stage, grid, etc. One had to keep an eye out for all students, the larger the group .... well./..... Dr. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stan Jensen Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:05 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:25 AM, pearsontony wrote: > . . . trying to plan for a stagecraft class that has twenty > students. . . . Any suggestions or ideas from people who've done > this already? I am sure there are a number of ways to do this. Two that I know can work from experience: Structure the course with one or two "lectures" each week, and additional "labs" with part of the class in each lab. For example, Mon & Wed each a one-hour class with everyone. Tue a two-hour lab with ten students (section 1) and Thu a two-hour lab with the other ten students (section 2). This means more time for you, unless you have upperclass shop aids or grad students, and the institution will have to accommodate your schedule and credit structure, but it works well. When I last used this system, we had 47 students and 4 sections. We also had a grad program. The second way can work as you suggested. If outside shop hours are required, do the hands on tool and safety training then. Assuming your students sign up for different times throughout the week, this plan can work rather like the first. In either case you will need some paperwork to keep track of who "has" and who "has not." Stan Jensen Central Michigan University ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45746716.8000309 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:21:10 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: 3.5" floppy disks and flash drives References:

In-Reply-To: NODEraser wrote: > Since then, I've discovered the power of the USB flash > drive, although claims about their propetual life are most certainly > untrue. > Do you have references to back up that claim? I'm relying on them more and more and have had no problems so far. Even with a 5 year old 16MB. Chip ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:23:22 -0700 Message-ID: <01a501c717d1$48bba810$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: "I think you've got it." Having done this for a number of decades, your approach is sound. Classroom instruction, demonstration of equipment, safety, health, slow but sure, and they all get taught well. Supervision is the key to saving your tush, and providing excellent instruction. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of pearsontony Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:26 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hi All, I need help. I'm trying to plan for a stagecraft class that has twenty students. Previously, I've been teaching at a school where TEN students is a large stagecraft class. So, at the moment my brain is in "oh god there's no way to give twenty students hands-on experience what am I going to do" mode. I personally think that the best way to teach tool use--safe tool use, that is--is to give hands on instruction where I can carefully observe. So far, the best thing I can come up with is to structure class like a lecture/demonstration and use required shop hours to supply the hands on time. Any suggestions or ideas from people who've done this already? Thanks, Tony Pearson ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Give it a Break! Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:25:12 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A06D8FACF [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > This list, at least the way I see it, is for the=20 > dissemination of information, ideas, opinions and questions. =20 > What is misinformation to one person is an opinion to someone=20 > else. I wish people would not assume that there is an=20 > implied duty to stop misinformation and please please stop=20 > trying to prove that other people are wrong.=20 While I agree that there's been a lot of nasty feedback lately, I (and most educators on the list, I'd venture to say) wholeheartedly disagree with your notion that the duty to correct misinformation is a mistakenly implied one. It's my job to correct misinformation, and disseminate factual information. It's my duty to keep people safe, and in a lot of cases incorrect info presented as fact can actually do harm if one of the lesser-experienced readers of the list were to attempt to use it. Morally, I've got a duty to jump in at times like that. Otherwise, if someone were to get hurt (say, in a genie lift after some list reader or other suggested actually disabling an interlock feature in order to move a lift while extended), I'd be morally accountable for not jumping in when I had the chance... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061204105749.00c71318 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:57:49 From: CB Subject: Re: To Gloat or Not To Gloat? >Too bad you've never enjoyed a "polar bear ride;" it's actually a lot >more fun than you might think... >I pity you for your loss. Odly enough, I can relate. Of course, I prefer the deset where I can shoose the warm comfy ride through the desert grass, or the chilly white ride through the pines and mountains as easily as flicking the turn signal switch Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:27:39 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: The best advice I have for you is to make sure you have your curricula well laid out and that you know exactly what you want to accomplish. You don't say what age group your working with, so some of these may or may not apply to you, but here goes anyways: - A detailed check list of skills each student needs to learn is extremely helpful, especially when you assign the students responsibility for learning those skills. - Look at your equipment. Do you have 4 or 5 drill presses? If so then learning to use a drill press might be a good large group activity. - Use a station approach. Introduce your first 3 or 4 skill sets as part of a large group. Then set up stations where kids are practicing and honing the skills they have already learned, and one station (the one you are at) where they are learning the new skill. - Use experienced students as aids. If you have taught this class before, try and recruit some of the more experienced kids as aids. (you can assign one or two to each station) - Try and find parent/adult volunteers. Easier said than done, but worth looking. - If you have open shop time, assign some of it as homework. - Teach hand tools first. And please, take notes on what works for you and share those with the group. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of > pearsontony > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:26 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi All, > I need help. I'm trying to plan for a stagecraft class that has twenty > students. Previously, I've been teaching at a school where TEN > students is > a large stagecraft class. So, at the moment my brain is in "oh > god there's > no way to give twenty students hands-on experience what am I going to do" > mode. I personally think that the best way to teach tool use--safe tool > use, that is--is to give hands on instruction where I can > carefully observe. > So far, the best thing I can come up with is to structure class like a > lecture/demonstration and use required shop hours to supply the hands on > time. Any suggestions or ideas from people who've done this already? > Thanks, > Tony Pearson > > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20061204133002.00b6ae48 [at] pop.lightlink.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:30:49 -0500 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class In-Reply-To: References: >I need help. I'm trying to plan for a stagecraft class that has twenty >students. Previously, I've been teaching at a school where TEN students >is a large stagecraft class. So, at the moment my brain is in "oh god >there's no way to give twenty students hands-on experience what am I going >to do" mode. I personally think that the best way to teach tool use--safe >tool use, that is--is to give hands on instruction where I can carefully >observe. So far, the best thing I can come up with is to structure class >like a lecture/demonstration and use required shop hours to supply the >hands on time. Any suggestions or ideas from people who've done this >already? Thanks, Just be thankful you never had to teach Stagecraft to a class of 120 students. Yep. 120, and I'm not kidding. -- JLB ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:37:53 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A06D8FAE9 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net > So far, the best thing I can come up with is to structure=20 > class like a lecture/demonstration and use required shop=20 > hours to supply the hands on time. Any suggestions or ideas=20 > from people who've done this already?=20 I've had as many as 14. I'd say that 60% of class time is lecture, 35% demonstration (and when I have enough tools, practice), and the remainder (1-2 days, typically) is set aside as "practical days" as we approach tech week. The class is also required to put in 42 hours (no, not totally for HHGTTG purposes, but a reflection of the fact there's 42 hours of class time in the semester) of lab work where they get the majority of their hands-on training. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Teaching Stagecraft with a large class Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:40:44 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A06D8FAEE [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > - Teach hand tools first. Ooooh, I dunno. I prefer teaching the stationary ones first, because students only have to deal with one "variable" (maneuvering of the material). It's inherently more stable, and they get a better appreciation (I think) for the dis/advantages (especially w/r/t stability) of the hand-operated counterparts... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061204111913.00c71318 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:19:13 From: CB Subject: Clive's Cookery I jsut got my snaps from Scotland back from May of last year (long story). I had promised someone on this list to show them why Clives makeshift stove wasn;t endangering anyone at the Tattoo (he waws heating up noodles over an upturned lighting instrument). Clive, this is the side view of the area of scaff that you were cooking over, n'est ce-pas? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061204112211.00c71318 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:22:11 From: CB Subject: Re: To Gloat or Not To Gloat? >my dad had a 1970 Wagoneer and my >first car was a 71' jeepster commando I used to pull the desert rats that owned vehicles like these out of the snow with my ole VW bus. It ain't the truck, it's the driver, folks. Used to pull 'em out of the sand, too! Cheez how they hated that bus... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061204114151.00c71318 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:41:51 From: CB Subject: Re: Neutral Density >Chris, the limitation in not in the film and TV cameras, nor in the recording >and transmission mechinasms, but in the display mechanisms in most commercial >TV sets, in normal use. What follows is the exact same voodoo that you tried to use to justify this very same argument the last time we had it. It was inexcusably outdated then, and its just shameful now. If your gran still has a 40:1 set, it's because she just doesn't give a good GD about the picture quality that she's getting. I can get you a 27" CRT with a 550-1 CR tomorrow, for less that $350 US. A 19" with a 600-1 CR for $199 US. A 42" Plasma with a CR of 3000-1 for less than a grand US. If you're watching something with less than a 200-1 contrast ratio here in the US it's because you live in a cardboard box, and you found the set. Really Frank, you *are* misleading folks with this info, and it hasn't been current or accurate for easily a handful of decades. Trying to justify lying to these good folk is unimaginably selfish. As one of those broadcasters that still makes films and TV programmes, I can promise you (even with my limited film and TV lighting knowledge) that we aren't spending too much time on the set lighting for your gran's set. We're checking the lighting on something that has at least a 300-1 contrast ratio at a very minimum. That's the 'cheap' 'B camera monitor on the video village. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:11:22 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <37591890.20061204141122 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Firestarter flashlight In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Sunday, December 3, 2006, Chris Dopher wrote: > Finally, you really CAN light a show with a maglite. Thanks for hte link. Tim "Tool Man" Taylor would be proud! I read some of hte feedback on the souped up maglight site and noticed some of the posters were doubtful about a light beam igniting something. Pour another cuppa cocoa, kids, and Grandpa Frank will tell y'all another story.... Several years ago, on a cold and crummy day like today, I was called out to work on a reluctant dimming system located on the stage floor in the dark and dank recesses of downstage right. Knowing it would be dark, I took a short light tree and two PAR64 fixtures along with me, expecting to light up my life. I wasn't too interested in wasting any energy so I swapped out the MFL lamp bulbs with VNSP's. I wore my leather jacket over a sweater over my golf shirt and got to work. After a while of enjoying 2,000 watts of General Electric massaging my shoulders, I got warm enough that I took off my jacket amd hung it on the nearest arm of the light tree. A while later I noticed an odd smell. A scorched fabric kind of odor. I felt around on back of my shoulders and, although warm, my sweater didn't feel hot enough to be scorched so I went back to work. Now hold on. You don't either know where this story is going.... The scorch smell lingered so I took off my sweater to inspect it for damage and found none and went back to the Luxtrol Autotransformer tasks. I continued to ponder the lingering scorching smell, flipping through my mental rolodex to identify the kind of material that would produce that specific odor, since I knew I had smelled it before. It smelled exactly like burning velour. NOW you know where this story is going! I leapt to my feet to see that my "worklight" had started a now-smouldering oblong hole in the stage right wing panel of what had once been a lovely navy blue velour main curtain! Not only did I get to experience the wonder of replacing a main curtain at my expense, but the worst part of all of it was telling my wife about it that evening! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ From: "Jim, RC4 Wireless" Subject: Re: 3.5" floppy disks and flash drives Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:15:29 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c717d8$90091e80$6900a8c0 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: For those of us using flash memory components in electronics design, the number of write cycles is a common concern. Clive's range of 100,000 to 1 million writes is accurate for the majority of memory components available. (By components, I mean the parts inside packaged consumer flash drive products.) Each flash memory cell is subject to wear-and-tear. If you constantly write to a particular memory location, you will wear it out prematurely. Life expectancy is statistical rather than absolute, and is affected by temperature and operating voltage, among other things. There are some "tricks" we use to reduce memory wear-and-tear, including (a) checking the currently stored value to avoid rewriting an unchanged value, and "wear levelling" -- rotating through memory to avoid constantly rewriting the same locations (kind of like rotating the tires on your car). Common file systems (including FAT and NTFS) frequently rewrite the directory. If a flash device mimics magnetic media, allowing many overwrites, the flash device will appear to fail quite quickly. There are a number of articles on the web about flash life expectancy (Google "flash memory life expectancy"). Jim RC4 > NODEraser wrote: > > Since then, I've discovered the power of the USB flash > drive, although > > claims about their propetual life are most certainly untrue. > > Do you have references to back up that claim? I'm relying on > them more and more and have had no problems so far. Even > with a 5 year old 16MB. > > Chip ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061204115057.00c71318 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:50:57 From: CB Subject: Re: Give it a Break! >> What is misinformation to one person is an >> opinion to someone else. >I cannot agree with your premise. In fact, I would go as far as to say >that your premise is wrong If someone posts their opinion and does't label it as such, and it is, in fact, badly mistaken, then isn't that opinion misinformation to the person that tried to use it and an opinion of the person that offered it? This is what we have an issue with, opinions being posted as facts. If the poster said that his opinion was that the dollar store 'beeners held as much as the ones Unk sold, and then Delbert did a destructive test that showed differently, wouldn't Del have showed that the original opinion was proven wrong? Lets not get too deep in teh semantical application of the language that we use, 'cuz it is sorely lacking, let us try to stick to the overlying concepts. It's bad, to post your opinion as fact if you really aren't sure of what the heck you're talking about, uhm'kay? And the rest of us that know that your opinion is incorrect, and potentially harmful, have a responsibility to the others on this list to point that out, uhm-kay? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061204120021.00c71318 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:00:21 From: CB Subject: RE: Autoreply: Stagecraft Digest #1041 >Frank, >Autoresponders are kind of like answering machines. They answer every call >with the same message when your not home. It's an annual IQ test, worked in conjunction with the daily test (post-reply-trimming) that sees if you actually are able to read the rules and suggestions, and can figure out how to unsubscribe from the list (thereby having the list not make that daily 'phone call') while you are on vacation. No list, no autoreply. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45747860.6050406 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:34:56 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: To Gloat or Not To Gloat? References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > I used to pull the desert rats that owned vehicles like these out of the > snow with my ole VW bus. It ain't the truck, it's the driver, folks. From what I've read in this thread, yer preachin' to the choir, buddy! -- Jim -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061204121207.00c71318 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:12:07 From: CB Subject: Re: Neutral Density >why not also pretend you're >talking about the same subject? Give it a try. You might start by actually >reading each other's posts. We do, and we are. I'm not sure how a slide projector got into the conversation, however. Anyhoo, this is and unfortunate re-hash of an earlier conversation that seems to be going down the same rails. I'm just trying to stop it beofre the handbasket gets out of hand. Frank and I had this same exact thing go on to it's logical conclusion (Frank's info is hopelessly incorrect and out of date, yet he'll try three or our differing tacks to try to justify his statements, slithering form one to another rather than just admitting that he was mistaken) that he comes up with some very specific situation where the information that he supplied actually has some reference, albiet some great fantastical possibility. Go backand read the entire thing once more, it'll become clear. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <$et2bNHuDJdFFwxM [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:19:42 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Clive's Cookery References: In-Reply-To: In message , CB writes >I jsut got my snaps from Scotland back from May of last year (long >story). I had promised someone on this list to show them why Clives >makeshift stove wasn;t endangering anyone at the Tattoo (he waws >heating up noodles over an upturned lighting instrument). Clive, this >is the side view of the area of scaff that you were cooking over, n'est >ce-pas? Nope it was the other side. If I'd done it on that side there would have been a higher risk of dropping hot noodles on someone's napper. It was done directly above a closed off bit of parkland. http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/stirfry.jpg -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Firestarter flashlight Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:27:41 -0700 Message-ID: <023101c717eb$083bf910$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Because back in the sixties, when I was doing workshops about lasers ....I helped NIOSH get together the Entertainment version, booklet, about lasers. And had them review all of my material from Aerospace, et al, with lasers. Yes, I even touched base with the Nobel Prize winner for Holograms ... And that Maybe???????? Some answer. My major papers and workshops since then on lasers probably had nothing to do with it. I did spend a lot of time on the Hill in Wash. D.C. three years. Pushing. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hyslop Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:19 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Firestarter flashlight For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Dale farmer wrote: > At that power level, not legal in the USA without permits and such. > Permits are not that difficult to get, I have heard, but take time to > process through the FDA bureaucracy. CDRH.FDA.GOV I've never understood why the Food and Drug administration takes care of lasers. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:47:52 -0500 Subject: Totally Stagecraft related; made on a mac From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: The producers of "Spring Awakening" have arranged two presentations in conjunction with the Apple Store in SOHO. Because the music, lighting and set designs for "Spring Awakening" were all done utilizing Apple software and computers, Apple has offered to present two lectures/discussions as part of their "Made on a Mac" Series. No reservations are necessary. 1. LIVE PERFORMANCE by COMPOSER DUNCAN SHIEK AND CAST OF SPRING AWAKENING. Composer, Duncan Shiek will give a rare look inside the creation of the new Broadway musical, Spring Awakening. Producer Tom Hulce will moderate an interactive discussion on the musical's development and some members of the cast will be on hand to perform. When: WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 13 6:00PM TO 7:30PM Where: APPLE STORE, SOHO, 103 Prince Street 2. DESIGNING ON A MAC. Christine Jones and Kevin Adams, Spring Awakening's set and lighting designers will be on hand to present and discuss how they create their desings. When: TUESDAY, JANUARY 23rd at 6:30PM. Where: APPLE STORE SOHO, 103 Prince Street -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:08:50 -0500 From: "Daniel Kelly" Subject: Re: Firestarter flashlight In-Reply-To: References:

One time at lighting camp.. er I mean once I was lighting a local band in a bar which had a /relatively/ decent amount of floor-to-ceiling clearance. I had about a dozen or so 600W PAR64's to the rear of the band, and there was a good safe distance between the lights and any objects or potential people. So I went and ate dinner. I then find out that there's an opening band starting early, so I returned briefly to bring up a scene for them, and then I went back to dinner. Little had I known, they moved the keyboard back to a location where the right side was directly in the path of a medium yellow, which happened to be at full in the scene I'd brought up. One hour later, the band that was headlining returned to find their half melted Ensoniq keyboard, which was extremely crucial to a band that relied heavily on MIDI sequences. That particular model was no longer in production, and parts were scarce. Amazingly enough, the keyboard continued to function perfectly. Replaced a number of buttons and 2 octaves worth of keys, and besides the warped case and distorted memory cartridge slot, it was like nothing happened. On 12/4/06, Frank E. Merrill wrote: > Pour another cuppa cocoa, kids, and Grandpa Frank will tell y'all > another story.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:21:20 -0600 Subject: Re: Totally Stagecraft related; made on a mac From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 12/4/06 4:47 PM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The producers of "Spring Awakening" have arranged two presentations in > conjunction with the Apple Store in SOHO. It's a shame they aren't webcasting it or recording it. This would be of great benefit to my students who use the macs in our design lab. If you hear they are webcasting it then let us know -- Philip Johnson Professor of Theatre Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:32:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Totally Stagecraft related; made on a mac From: Robert Graham Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Is there any information regarding which pieces of software they'll be discussing? I second the motion about a webcast- I can't get to NYC for it, but I'd love to be able to view it. -Robert G On 12/4/06 5:47 PM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The producers of "Spring Awakening" have arranged two presentations in > conjunction with the Apple Store in SOHO. > > Because the music, lighting and set designs for "Spring Awakening" were > all done utilizing Apple software and computers, Apple has offered to > present two lectures/discussions as part of their "Made on a Mac" > Series. No reservations are necessary. > > 1. LIVE PERFORMANCE by COMPOSER DUNCAN SHIEK AND CAST OF SPRING > AWAKENING. > > Composer, Duncan Shiek will give a rare look inside the creation of > the new Broadway musical, Spring Awakening. Producer Tom Hulce will > moderate an interactive discussion on the musical's development and > some members of the cast will be on hand to perform. > > When: WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 13 6:00PM TO 7:30PM > Where: APPLE STORE, SOHO, 103 Prince Street > > 2. DESIGNING ON A MAC. > > Christine Jones and Kevin Adams, Spring Awakening's set and lighting > designers will be on hand to present and discuss how they create their > desings. > > When: TUESDAY, JANUARY 23rd at 6:30PM. > Where: APPLE STORE SOHO, 103 Prince Street ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4574DCD8.6080100 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:43:36 -0500 From: Dale farmer Subject: Re: Firestarter flashlight References:

In-Reply-To: Jim Hyslop wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Dale farmer wrote: >> At that power level, not legal in the USA without permits and such. >> Permits are not that difficult to get, I have heard, but take time to >> process through the FDA bureaucracy. CDRH.FDA.GOV > > I've never understood why the Food and Drug administration takes care of > lasers. > At a guess, it was a turf battle over who got the authority, and more importantly, the budget and headcount, from Congress to regulate them. I highly doubt anything resembling reason even made it past first draft of the position papers. --Dale (veteran of US Federal bureaucracy battles) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4574E0A5.5020804 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:59:49 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Fake Books References:

In-Reply-To: >>> Hey All, >>> Am building WAOV Woolf shortly and will need an helacious number of >>> books. Any ideas other than Real, Styrofoam, or Vacuform? >>> Any sources you have found for Vacuform or Styro pre-made. Got any law offices near you? Or a county courthouse? We've been able to score huge quantities of outdated law books from the dumpster of the law office across the street from our theater (with their permission). They come in really nicely bound sets and look *great* on stage, especially once given the cut-out-the-cuts and replace-them-with-styrofoam treatment. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:58:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Totally Stagecraft related; made on a mac From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17738170.1165281922632.JavaMail.root [at] m41> I'll see if I can get more info and find out whom to beg to get it webcast. On 12/4/06 8:21 PM, "Philip Johnson" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > On 12/4/06 4:47 PM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> The producers of "Spring Awakening" have arranged two presentations in >> conjunction with the Apple Store in SOHO. > > > It's a shame they aren't webcasting it or recording it. This would be of > great benefit to my students who use the macs in our design lab. > > > If you hear they are webcasting it then let us know > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4574E743.1030602 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:28:03 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Fake Books References:

In-Reply-To: Pat Kight wrote: > Got any law offices near you? Or a county courthouse? We've been able to > score huge quantities of outdated law books from the dumpster of the law > office across the street from our theater (with their permission). They > come in really nicely bound sets and look *great* on stage, especially > once given the cut-out-the-cuts ... Guts. Cut out the guts. Preferably with fingers that work better than mine seem to be working. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4574E7F1.10306 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:30:57 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Totally Stagecraft related; made on a mac References: In-Reply-To: Herrick Goldman wrote: > I'll see if I can get more info and find out whom to beg to get it webcast. Since they're teaming up with Apple, suggest they try iTunes; they serve up videos as well as music, and (assuming appropriate permissions can be obtained) the Apple store folks should be able to help them out. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 00:14:32 EST Subject: Re: ETCP Electrician test In a message dated 11/27/2006 4:43:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcargile [at] uci.edu writes: Hi All, Since there has recently been a lot of talk about the Rigging Exam, I was wondering if anyone has taken the Electrican Exam. If so, what were your thoughts and experiences? ....Ron ---- Ron Cargile ME, Univ of Calif, Irvine (via digest) I have been waiting to see if any one would respond to your query and thereby get some feedback myself. Since it seems that no one has replied, here is my opinion. In the interest of full disclosure, I have been involved with the development of this program since its inception. I was not, however, one of the subject matter experts who wrote the actual examination questions. I did sit for the inaugural examination given this fall in Las Vegas. I found that the questions pretty well covered the broad spectrum of knowledge outlined in the handbook. The exam is definitely tailored for someone with experience in both the basic theories and the more advanced practical aspects of entertainment electrical work. You definitely need to know something about electrical codes and safety regulations. Some rigging and film/video electrical questions are included as are data protocols, power feeders, transformers and generators. It was interesting to hear the comments after the exam from some of the 98 who took it. First, no one that I know of was absolutely sure that they passed it. Everyone felt that it was a good challenging test and that there were many things they knew and some that they did not. The test did reveal some regional distinctions between those accustomed to East coast versus West coast versus Canadian practices. Some, with more theatrical experience, wondered about the fim/video content. Others had little experience with tie-ins or generators. While in entertainment the term "electrician" is often associated with the lighting person, this is not a lighting exam per se. It is about safely and appropriately supplying and using electrical power. Once the results are known, perhaps more will chime in with their opinions. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2BC5CC2D-32B6-4F70-B636-8F831403CC74 [at] hawaii.rr.com> Cc: sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com (Shell Dalzell) From: Shell Dalzell Subject: Fake Books Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 19:15:49 -1000 Our PropTart went on line looking for other recent productions of WAOVW. She found a guy who played George and had made his own gun. He sent pix, the director liked it, and we are renting it. My reading of the script says nothing of an umbrella gun, but the director rules, and its no skin off my nose. Aloha, Shell sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com On Dec 3, 2006, at 1:01 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > In the WAOV vein, what are you using for the gun? > > Steve ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1044 ******************************