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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1034

 1. Re: Job titles  (Was: SUNY/CUNY)
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
 2. Holiday touring
    by <productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org>
 3. Re: [SPAM]  Rental House -- Cleveland Area
    by "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
 4. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
 5. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by "Michael Diederich" <mdiederich [at] mvcc.edu>
 6. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
 7. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 8. C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
 9. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
10. Re: Job titles  (Was: SUNY/CUNY)
    by "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
11. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
12. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
13. Re: Job titles  (Was: SUNY/CUNY)
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
14. Re: Job titles  (Was: SUNY/CUNY)
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
15. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
16. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
17. Re: Another certified rigger
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
18. question for the pros
    by "Craig D. Tonelson" <craigt [at] chezzam.com>
19. Re: C-Clamps and Rigging
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
20. Member Pages (as Re: Job titles  (Was: SUNY/CUNY))
    by Noah Price <stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net>
21. Re: C-Clamps and Rigging
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
22. Re: C-Clamps and Rigging
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
23. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
24. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
25. Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
26. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
27. Show News
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
28. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
29. Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
30. Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
    by "Michael Diederich" <mdiederich [at] mvcc.edu>
31. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
32. Re: Lt. of Inishmore
    by "Johnson, Keith" <Keith.Johnson [at] EKU.EDU>
33. Re: SUNY / CUNY
    by "Dyan OConnell" <dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com>
34. Fire Proof Curtain Testing
    by "Fritz, Barry L" <fritzbl [at] etown.edu>
35. Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
36. Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
37. Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
38. Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
39. ETCP Electrician test
    by Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu>
40. Re: Cable & I-beams
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
41. Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
42. Re: How do you deal...?
    by Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
43. Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
    by "Ken Romaine" <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
44. Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
45. Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
46. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
47. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
48. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
49. Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
50. Pig Tailed Slings
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
51. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
52. Re: Walking on air
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
53. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
54. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
55. Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
56. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
57. wide format printers
    by Bill Schaffell <wjss [at] earthlink.net>
58. Re: C-Clamps and Rigging
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
59. Re: wide format printers
    by "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
60. Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
61. Re: Show News
    by "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
62. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
63. Re: wide format printers
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
64. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by Dale farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
65. Re: C-Clamps and Rigging
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
66. Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
67. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
68. Re: Cable & I-beams
    by Dale farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
69. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
70. Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
71. Re: Neutral Density
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:50:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Job titles  (Was: SUNY/CUNY)
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <C190573C.142F8%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <278891.1164614126303.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

Yeah I was more blue-skying about a quick hit list of names and job title.
Maybe even sorted by job title. I dunno more out of curiosity than anything
else. 

My member page is at least 11 years old. None of the info is correct. :)
Maybe I'll submit a new one.


-H

On 11/27/06 2:48 AM, "June Abernathy" <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> I thought that's what the "Member Pages" on the
> stagecraft list site were all about? Between that and
> sig files I *think* it covers the basics for most
> folks. (Those of us who have filled out "Member
> Pages", at least.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> June Abernathy
> IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL)
> FOH Electrician
> The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle)
> 
> 
>  
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> ______
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
> http://new.mail.yahoo.com
> 

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Message-ID: <000c01c7122d$f61afaa0$0600a8c0 [at] lpt>
From: <productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org>
References: <list-38959437 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Holiday touring
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:11:40 -0600
Organization: Minnesota Ballet

Samuel Jones wrote: "Happy Nutcrackers,"

Why thank you! I'm loading my set today and hit the road tomorrow! Next year 
I have a few that are before Thanksgiving.

I was reflecting on what I'm going to do this month while standing in my set 
storage and looked at my latest touring show (Sleeping Beauty) and how much 
larger the set was than Nutcracker. For me, I'm actually down-sizing. Plus, 
now that I've got a beautiful little ballerina-wanna-be (she's 1 1/2) every 
time I see a little girl dressed to the nines and how much of a sparkle is 
in her eyes it makes it more personal for me.
I used to cringe every time I heard Nutcracker music, but now I'm looking 
forward to this years tours.

yes, "Happy Holiday touring" everyone.

Kenneth Pogin
Production Tour Manager
Minnesota Ballet



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Message-Id: <s56aae1d.060 [at] mail2.salisbury.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:21:27 -0500
From: "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
Subject: Re: [SPAM]  Rental House -- Cleveland Area

OK... Vincent is out of Cleveland, with offices in Pittsburgh,
Cincinnatti (actually in Erlanger, KY), and the Detroit area.  I've
rented from them before (a dimmer rack, IIRC). Their prices are
competitive and the service always good.  

Contact Info:

http://www.vincentlighting.com/

Cleveland 800-922-5356    Pittsburgh 800-877-5356
Cincinnati 800-356-5356    Grand-Vincent Detroit 800-644-7263 

Cheers,
Jerry

G. D. George
Technical Director and Lighting Designer
Department of Communcation and Theatre Arts
Salisbury University
Salisbury, MD  
21801

gdgeorge(at)salisbury(dot)edu

>>> stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com 11/26/2006 11:36 AM >>>
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Do we have any list readers who own/work for (or can recommend) a
lighting
rental house in or near Ashland, OH?


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Message-ID: <456AF9A8.1010605 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:43:52 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
References: <list-38771571 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38771571 [at] prxy.net>

b Ricie wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> We all work long days, long hours and long weeks, and
> deal with adverse conditions from time to time. So how
> do people un-wind? What do you do to make ya wanna go
> back for more abuse? (I mean besides the beer)

This may sound crazy but this is what I do to unwind.  If the office 
part of the job gets too stressful I go focus some lights or do some 
maintenance on the linesets.  Exercising those deep-down basic skills 
just helps the cares of the world melt away.

Or I go home and abuse the stormtroopers in Lego Star Wars 2.

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Subject: RE: How do you un-wind/de-stress
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:30:48 -0500
Message-ID: <CA2E466B6CEC9B449481950C30F907E705830D12 [at] mvcc-newexch.mvcc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-38967522 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Michael Diederich" <mdiederich [at] mvcc.edu>

>>>> Or I go home and abuse the stormtroopers in Lego Star Wars 2.
Steve L.<<<<

Mine is Socom: US Navy Seals 3 (hopefully Combined Assault pretty soon).
Nothing like putting a .50 caliber Sniper bullet in one of those
annoying online "I'm so awesome, no one can touch me" players to make
your day a little better.

Mike Diederich
MVCC
Utica, NY

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Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061127103819.02fc7900 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:39:07 -0500
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
In-Reply-To: <list-38771571 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38732422 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-38771571 [at] prxy.net>

I go sailing, or in the winter...I dream about sailing.


> >>>>  I get my head cleared fastest while riding
>twisty roads in the
>boonies.
> >
> >In the past, I've found that a few dozen miles along
>Mulholland Drive
> >on a motorcycle has given me the serenity to best
>reflect upon life.
>
>
>Agreed. Mulholland's a nice ride, or was before the
>hooligans
>discovered it.<<
>
>
>I gave up the bike for a 4 wheel drive and the beach.
>The sticker that allows me to cruise the dunes ain't
>cheap, but it is far cheaper than a shrink, and a
>helluva lot better if ya ask me.
>
>We all work long days, long hours and long weeks, and
>deal with adverse conditions from time to time. So how
>do people un-wind? What do you do to make ya wanna go
>back for more abuse? (I mean besides the beer)
>
>
>
>Brian Rice
>508-685-0716
>b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
>"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the
>light."

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:59:22 -0500
Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C190758A.15B61%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38969977 [at] prxy.net>

On 11/27/06 10:39 AM, "Ford Sellers" <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu> wrote:

> I go sailing, or in the winter...I dream about sailing.

Definition of sailing....

Standing, fully clothed, in the shower  with the cold water turned on and
ripping up $50 bills as fast as possible.





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Message-ID: <024801c7123e$ee5a8310$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP>
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
References: <list-38959437 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: C-Clamps and Rrigging
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 06:13:08 -1000

An aviation musum in which I am currently working has suspended a curved
vinyl backdrop approximately 40' long x 20' tall. It has an (apparently)
aluminum top pipe and no bottom pipe. This drop is hanging by 1/8" cable
loops through 5 seperate orange C-clamps which are clamped, handle up, to
steel I-beams.

This does not look good to me... any opinions from the riggers on the list?

I don't know why they just didn't go over the beams with the cables.

Laters,

Paul

"We can't have this and eat it too," said Tom archaically.



------------------------------

From: "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
Subject: RE: C-Clamps and Rrigging
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:29:11 -0500
Message-ID: <FDEPKKINFFFAJOOJMIKBMEIGEIAA.steven [at] simplycircus.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38971590 [at] prxy.net>

Without seeing the clamps I can't be sure.

If they are beam clamps and everythnig is within load ratings of the
equipment, its probably fine.

If these really are off the shelf C-clamps, well, I would want a rigger to
take a second look at it.

Did you manage to snap a photo of the rigging?

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Steven Santos
Director, Simply Circus, Inc.
Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com
 Mail: PO BOX 620753
       Newton, MA 02462
Phone: 781-799-4938
 eFax: 309-214-0899
  Web: www.SimplyCircus.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Paul
> Guncheon
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:13 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: C-Clamps and Rrigging
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> An aviation musum in which I am currently working has suspended a curved
> vinyl backdrop approximately 40' long x 20' tall. It has an (apparently)
> aluminum top pipe and no bottom pipe. This drop is hanging by 1/8" cable
> loops through 5 seperate orange C-clamps which are clamped, handle up, to
> steel I-beams.
>
> This does not look good to me... any opinions from the riggers on
> the list?
>
> I don't know why they just didn't go over the beams with the cables.
>
> Laters,
>
> Paul
>
> "We can't have this and eat it too," said Tom archaically.
>
>
>
>


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From: "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
Subject: RE: Job titles  (Was: SUNY/CUNY)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:29:13 -0500
Message-ID: <FDEPKKINFFFAJOOJMIKBOEIGEIAA.steven [at] simplycircus.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38965109 [at] prxy.net>

If there is interest, I could put up a wiki for the group

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Steven Santos
Director, Simply Circus, Inc.
Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com
 Mail: PO BOX 620753
       Newton, MA 02462
Phone: 781-799-4938
 eFax: 309-214-0899
  Web: www.SimplyCircus.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Herrick
> Goldman
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:50 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: Job titles (Was: SUNY/CUNY)
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Yeah I was more blue-skying about a quick hit list of names and job title.
> Maybe even sorted by job title. I dunno more out of curiosity
> than anything
> else.
>
> My member page is at least 11 years old. None of the info is correct. :)
> Maybe I'll submit a new one.
>
>
> -H
>
> On 11/27/06 2:48 AM, "June Abernathy" <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought that's what the "Member Pages" on the
> > stagecraft list site were all about? Between that and
> > sig files I *think* it covers the basics for most
> > folks. (Those of us who have filled out "Member
> > Pages", at least.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > June Abernathy
> > IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL)
> > FOH Electrician
> > The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> ____________
> > ______
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
> > http://new.mail.yahoo.com
> >
>
> --
> Herrick Goldman
> Lighting Designer, NYC
> www.HGLightingDesign.com
> 917-797-3624
> "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
> light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS
>
>
>
>


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Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061127113440.02f60250 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:37:08 -0500
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
In-Reply-To: <list-38970966 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38969977 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-38970966 [at] prxy.net>

I'd hazzard to say I spend less on my boat/sailing per year than many 
of us with other hobbies.  Plus, I can go with my wife and kids (Yes, 
that does actually lower my stress). :)

Ahhhh...the academic calendar... ;)

At 10:59 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>On 11/27/06 10:39 AM, "Ford Sellers" <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu> wrote:
>
> > I go sailing, or in the winter...I dream about sailing.
>
>Definition of sailing....
>
>Standing, fully clothed, in the shower  with the cold water turned on and
>ripping up $50 bills as fast as possible.

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



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Message-ID: <1816.205.215.254.67.1164645564.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-38971590 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38959437 [at] prxy.net> <list-38971590 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:39:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> An aviation musum in which I am currently working has suspended a curved
> vinyl backdrop approximately 40' long x 20' tall. It has an (apparently)
> aluminum top pipe and no bottom pipe. This drop is hanging by 1/8" cable
> loops through 5 seperate orange C-clamps which are clamped, handle up, to
> steel I-beams.
>
> This does not look good to me... any opinions from the riggers on the
> list?

I am not a rigger, but I would never allow it. Do they have proper
fittings/clamps on the cables?

> I don't know why they just didn't go over the beams with the cables.

I suspect that they were afraid the I-beam would damage the cable over time.

Bill


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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:42:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Job titles  (Was: SUNY/CUNY)
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <C1907FAA.14315%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <1217874.1164645168580.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

Well that would certainly be amusing.

What info would we all wish to see there? Besides a definition of our group
(good luck) and names, job title, Home page Url if possible. ?



On 11/27/06 11:29 AM, "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> If there is interest, I could put up a wiki for the group
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------


-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Message-ID: <456B1A16.2050005 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:02:14 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: Job titles  (Was: SUNY/CUNY)
References: <list-38972370 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38972370 [at] prxy.net>

Steven Santos wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------

> If there is interest, I could put up a wiki for the group

Uh-oh, are we going to have to correct that Non-Standard terms list? 
Isn't "wiki" a description of a wobbly scenic piece?

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:15:52 -0500
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1908778.15B76%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38971590 [at] prxy.net>

Wow.  A rigging question.  Back off Frank.  This one's mine.

Read my lips.  Load rated for overhead lifting or overhead suspension.

C-clamps as described are most definitely not load rated for ANY lifting or
suspending.  That reason alone should be good enough to warrant their
removal.  If that's not good enough how's about the fact that there is no
way to make a positive connection to the beam.  All buildings vibrate for
any number of reasons.  That vibration will eventually loosen up that
C-clamp handle. 

Going around an I-beam with cables is also a no-no.  The crushing effect on
wire rope against the edge of the I-beam is not a good thing.  And please do
not talk to me about wrapping the beam.  No one really believes that does
much good but everyone does it cuz someone decided long ago that tha's
what's to be done. 

The only way to properly attach something to an I-beam in a permanent
application is with a load rated center pull beam clamp.  And that clamp has
to have a way of being locked so that it cannot loosen over time.

Zat help?

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile



On 11/27/06 11:13 AM, "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> An aviation musum in which I am currently working has suspended a curved
> vinyl backdrop approximately 40' long x 20' tall. It has an (apparently)
> aluminum top pipe and no bottom pipe. This drop is hanging by 1/8" cable
> loops through 5 seperate orange C-clamps which are clamped, handle up, to
> steel I-beams.
> 
> This does not look good to me... any opinions from the riggers on the list?
> 
> I don't know why they just didn't go over the beams with the cables.
> 
> Laters,
> 
> Paul
> 
> "We can't have this and eat it too," said Tom archaically.
> 
> 



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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:18:39 -0500
Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C190881F.15B77%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38972801 [at] prxy.net>

I agree.  I was just seeing if I could get a thread going on how much each
hobby cost.


On 11/27/06 11:37 AM, "Ford Sellers" <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I'd hazzard to say I spend less on my boat/sailing per year than many
> of us with other hobbies.  Plus, I can go with my wife and kids (Yes,
> that does actually lower my stress). :)
> 
> Ahhhh...the academic calendar... ;)
> 
> At 10:59 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote:
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> On 11/27/06 10:39 AM, "Ford Sellers" <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> I go sailing, or in the winter...I dream about sailing.
>> 
>> Definition of sailing....
>> 
>> Standing, fully clothed, in the shower  with the cold water turned on and
>> ripping up $50 bills as fast as possible.
> 
> ************************
> Ford H Sellers
> Master Electrician
> Cornell University
> Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
> 430 College Avenue
> Ithaca NY, 14850
> (607) 254-2736  office
> (607) 254-2733  fax
> 
> 



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061127095349.00c6d558 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:53:49
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Another certified rigger

>Um Chris...how would you, of all people, "demure" anything? defer or demur

Yhm, yeah, the extra 'e' snuck in there somehow.  I meant demur, but I'm
guessing you already knew that.  ; >
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <004501c71249$acc82960$020fa8c0 [at] MAINFRAME>
From: "Craig D. Tonelson" <craigt [at] chezzam.com>
References: <list-38974783 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: question for the pros
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:30:04 -0500

Hello and I hope all of you had a great thanksgiving. For all you sound guys 
out there. Any options on the Countryman E61. I want to use them for a 45 
minute musical review. I have only used lavs before . So any thoughts would 
be helpful. Of course my purpose is to keep a low mic profile and yet have 
the mic as close to the mouth as possible thus reducing feedback.


thank You,
Craig D. Tonelson

Cell:  631-484-6669
Fax: 501-632-2994


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "CB" <psyd [at] cox.net>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Another certified rigger


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>>Um Chris...how would you, of all people, "demure" anything? defer or demur
>
> Yhm, yeah, the extra 'e' snuck in there somehow.  I meant demur, but I'm
> guessing you already knew that.  ; >
> Chris "Chris" Babbie
> Location Sound
> MON AZ
>
> Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
> negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...
> 



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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:29:01 -0500
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rigging
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C1908A8D.3F50%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-38974536 [at] prxy.net>


Paul,
I am curious.  Is the museum of which you speak the new one being built at
Hickam Field in the hanger left from the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl
Harbor.  Read a very interesting article in the NASM magazine over the
weekend about this restoration.

Oh, BTW, Beam clamps GOOD, C-Clamps BAD.  :)

Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia


> On 11/27/06 11:13 AM, "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> An aviation musum in which I am currently working has suspended a curved
>> vinyl backdrop approximately 40' long x 20' tall. It has an (apparently)
>> aluminum top pipe and no bottom pipe. This drop is hanging by 1/8" cable
>> loops through 5 seperate orange C-clamps which are clamped, handle up, to
>> steel I-beams.
>> 
>> This does not look good to me... any opinions from the riggers on the list?
>> 
>> I don't know why they just didn't go over the beams with the cables.
>> 
>> Laters,
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> "We can't have this and eat it too," said Tom archaically.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 


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In-Reply-To: <list-38965109 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38965109 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <D6694219-7830-4E16-A515-48420D0EB959 [at] theprices.net>
From: Noah Price <stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net>
Subject: Member Pages (as Re: Job titles  (Was: SUNY/CUNY))
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:33:01 -0800

As June says, that's what the member pages are for :-)

So if you're out of date, send and update!

As about a dozen of you know, I have a backlog updating them, but I'm  
catching up, and some upgrades I'm loooking at for the Stagecraft  
site would let you update info yourself. That will open the door to  
possible searching or sorting as Herrick brings up.

Noah


On Nov 27, 2006, at 5:50 AM, Herrick Goldman wrote:

> Yeah I was more blue-skying about a quick hit list of names and job  
> title.
> Maybe even sorted by job title. I dunno more out of curiosity than  
> anything
> else.
>
> My member page is at least 11 years old. None of the info is  
> correct. :)
> Maybe I'll submit a new one.
>
>
> -H
>
> On 11/27/06 2:48 AM, "June Abernathy" <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought that's what the "Member Pages" on the
>> stagecraft list site were all about? Between that and
>> sig files I *think* it covers the basics for most
>> folks. (Those of us who have filled out "Member
>> Pages", at least.)


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Message-ID: <456B21A5.5070601 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:34:29 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rigging
References: <list-38975120 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38975120 [at] prxy.net>

Stephen Rees wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Paul,
> I am curious.  Is the museum of which you speak the new one being built at
> Hickam Field in the hanger left from the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl
> Harbor.  Read a very interesting article in the NASM magazine over the
> weekend about this restoration.
> 
> Oh, BTW, Beam clamps GOOD, C-Clamps BAD.  :)

Having spent much of my time at the Udvar-Hazy center examining how the 
planes are suspended, I'd be surprised if the NASM was doing shoddy 
rigging in any of their facilities.

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:38:34 -0500
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rigging
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C1908CCA.3F56%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-38975359 [at] prxy.net>

Steve L
Don't I know it!  After we visited there just after it opened, I went home
to look at the fotos I took of the place and discovered that 50 percent of
them were of rigging gear.  No expense spared in the installation of
aircraft legacy. An amazing place.
Steve R


On 11/27/06 12:34 PM, "Stephen Litterst" <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Stephen Rees wrote:
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 
>> Paul,
>> I am curious.  Is the museum of which you speak the new one being built at
>> Hickam Field in the hanger left from the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl
>> Harbor.  Read a very interesting article in the NASM magazine over the
>> weekend about this restoration.
>> 
>> Oh, BTW, Beam clamps GOOD, C-Clamps BAD.  :)
> 
> Having spent much of my time at the Udvar-Hazy center examining how the
> planes are suspended, I'd be surprised if the NASM was doing shoddy
> rigging in any of their facilities.
> 
> Steve L.


------------------------------

From: "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
Subject: RE: C-Clamps and Rrigging
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:47:26 -0500
Message-ID: <FDEPKKINFFFAJOOJMIKBMEILEIAA.steven [at] simplycircus.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38974536 [at] prxy.net>

> The only way to properly attach something to an I-beam in a permanent
> application is with a load rated center pull beam clamp.  And
> that clamp has to have a way of being locked so that it cannot loosen
> over time.

Bill, not to nit-pick (OK, yes, to nit-pick...) why couldn't they bolt in
proper eye bolts to the I-beams?


------------------------------

Message-ID: <456B25BF.4050002 [at] hillinteractive.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:51:59 -0500
From: Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
References: <list-38974650 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38974650 [at] prxy.net>

Bill Sapsis wrote:

> I agree.  I was just seeing if I could get a thread going on how much each
> hobby cost.

hmmm. Most hobbies cost whatever you want to spend. I got back into 
motorcycles last year with a $600 1975 RD250.  You could spend more for 
a motorcycle, I guess.... Sailing can be sort of inexpensive if you have 
a free mooring or other free storage for your (not too big) boat, or if 
you just rent boats when you want to sail (what I've always done). 
Somebody gave me a  19'boat with a 125hp outboard a couple years ago 
because they had no room to store it. It is NOT cheap to go on an outing 
with gas  [at]  $2.50, however I have the room and it doesn't cost anything 
to park it in my yard.

now if you want an expensive hobby - livestock.  horses in particular. 
they eat like horses, whether you ride them or not, and require barns 
and fields and vets and tack and trailers and lessons and daily care. I 
sort of feel sorry for my friends who are into them, they can be broke 
but they take care of their horses, the horses have them trained!

-----------Howie

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Message-ID: <20061127175627.13791.qmail [at] web82215.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:56:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
In-Reply-To: <list-38974536 [at] prxy.net>

--- Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
> Going around an I-beam with cables is also a no-no. 
> The crushing effect on
> wire rope against the edge of the I-beam is not a
> good thing.  And please do
> not talk to me about wrapping the beam.  No one
> really believes that does
> much good but everyone does it cuz someone decided
> long ago that tha's
> what's to be done. 

I've always wondered at the actual effectiveness of
the burlap wrap used in arena rigging. It doesn't
significantly increase the radius of the edge, and
under pressure I would expect it to compress  a fair
amount. Has anyone ever done any tests to find out
what, if any, effect the burlap has?
I'm curious if you have a recommended alternative to
wrapping an I-beam with a cable in temporary
situations? What alternatives are there for the
standard arena rigging method of a cable with burlap
padding? Span sets maybe? 

Mike Heinicke


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:06:06 -0500
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C190933E.15B8A%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38975917 [at] prxy.net>

Building engineers hate it when you start drilling through their beams.
Besides, drilling is too much like work.  Which would you rather do, drag a
HD drill up there along with the hardware, or just take up the hardware?

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile



On 11/27/06 12:47 PM, "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> The only way to properly attach something to an I-beam in a permanent
>> application is with a load rated center pull beam clamp.  And
>> that clamp has to have a way of being locked so that it cannot loosen
>> over time.
> 
> Bill, not to nit-pick (OK, yes, to nit-pick...) why couldn't they bolt in
> proper eye bolts to the I-beams?
> 



------------------------------

From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c3d.99e6aed.329c83da [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:09:30 EST
Subject: Show News

Was chatting with a friend who's on tour and he  lamented the death of "Show 
News" an email list for touring folks to keep track  of who's where and doing 
what for whom. Before I go create a Yahoo Group to  replace it, I was 
wondering if any of you good folks might know of a similar  list/email group or could 
direct me to whomever was responsible for the  original. 

Kristi   
10 days til hubby comes home!  


------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <d01.30a8b97.329c844b [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:11:23 EST
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging

In a message dated 27/11/06 17:17:00 GMT Standard Time, 
bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes:

> Wow.  A rigging question.  Back off Frank.  This one's mine.
>  
>  Read my lips.  Load rated for overhead lifting or overhead suspension.
>  
>  C-clamps as described are most definitely not load rated for ANY lifting or
>  suspending.  That reason alone should be good enough to warrant their
>  removal.  If that's not good enough how's about the fact that there is no
>  way to make a positive connection to the beam.  All buildings vibrate for
>  any number of reasons.  That vibration will eventually loosen up that
>  C-clamp handle. 
>  
>  Going around an I-beam with cables is also a no-no.  The crushing effect on
>  wire rope against the edge of the I-beam is not a good thing.  And please 
do
>  not talk to me about wrapping the beam.  No one really believes that does
>  much good but everyone does it cuz someone decided long ago that tha's
>  what's to be done. 
>  
>  The only way to properly attach something to an I-beam in a permanent
>  application is with a load rated center pull beam clamp.  And that clamp 
has
>  to have a way of being locked so that it cannot loosen over time.

Don't worry, Bill. Once I see your name on a rigging post I know that there 
will be sound advice below it. Left to myself, I would have suggested chain 
slings.


Frank Wood

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:11:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1909497.15B8C%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38976390 [at] prxy.net>

Spansets are even worse.  You should never use a spanset on the high steel.
That I-beam edge will do a hurtin on your spanset, burlap or no burlap.

For touring shows I'd mostly use a steel sling.  But, unlike some of the
tours I've seen, I'd throw em out when they got beat up.  I also like the
wide adjust beam clamps for a lot of rigs, but they're heavy and somewhat
cumbersome and not suited for all applications.

Bill S.

ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile





On 11/27/06 12:56 PM, "Michael Heinicke" <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> --- Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
>> Going around an I-beam with cables is also a no-no.
>> The crushing effect on
>> wire rope against the edge of the I-beam is not a
>> good thing.  And please do
>> not talk to me about wrapping the beam.  No one
>> really believes that does
>> much good but everyone does it cuz someone decided
>> long ago that tha's
>> what's to be done.
> 
> I've always wondered at the actual effectiveness of
> the burlap wrap used in arena rigging. It doesn't
> significantly increase the radius of the edge, and
> under pressure I would expect it to compress  a fair
> amount. Has anyone ever done any tests to find out
> what, if any, effect the burlap has?
> I'm curious if you have a recommended alternative to
> wrapping an I-beam with a cable in temporary
> situations? What alternatives are there for the
> standard arena rigging method of a cable with burlap
> padding? Span sets maybe?
> 
> Mike Heinicke
> 



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Subject: RE: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:42:51 -0500
Message-ID: <CA2E466B6CEC9B449481950C30F907E705830D14 [at] mvcc-newexch.mvcc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-38976390 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Michael Diederich" <mdiederich [at] mvcc.edu>

>>>>I've always wondered at the actual effectiveness of the burlap wrap
used in arena rigging. It doesn't significantly increase the radius of
the edge, and under pressure I would expect it to compress a fair
amount.<<<<

I always thought the burlap was there to reduce the damage of the sharp
corner of the I-beam if there was any movement of the wire rope. A sort
of rubbing protection. I agree the radius would be changed so minimally
that the burlap really wouldn't help in that department. =20

Mike Diederich
MVCC=20
Utica, NY

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Message-ID: <b7318c480611271220v20b56583wf54d027a96bdcfe7 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:20:14 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
In-Reply-To: <list-38971590 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38959437 [at] prxy.net> <list-38971590 [at] prxy.net>

If the I-beam is completely exposed, you certainly could put a spanset
or cable sling around it (which is probably less expense and a whole
lot safer than mis-using a C-clamp), otherwise you need a beam clamp
(not a C-clamp).  I have seen a lot of C-clamps used in similar
fashions to what you have described.   C-clamps are not rated for this
purpose and this creates a dangerous situation.

Got any idea how much this backdrop weights?

If the backdrop is evenly dupported by five 1/8" cables, using a
design factor of 10 means that the total weight of the backdrop should
weigh 700 lbs (699.3 to be more accuracte) or less.  If you use a
design factor of 8 then the total weight of the backdrop can be 875
lbs (or 874.1258 if you really want to worry about it) or less.

-Delbert

-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
423-773-4255

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Subject: RE: Lt. of Inishmore
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:24:43 -0500
Message-ID: <2175145D8764B145B932DA9D45DE6C480290F6D2 [at] FACSTAFF.facultystaff.eku.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-38778797 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Johnson, Keith" <Keith.Johnson [at] EKU.EDU>

I saw Olivier state that quote on The Dick Cavette Show when Olivier was
promoting "Marathon Man."  He was talking about the scene between
himself and D. Hoffman and he said he was shocked when Dustin walked in
and asked him, "My God man, why don't you just act it!"  I'll never
forget it, still use it in my Intro to Theatre classes when comparing
technique acting and method acting.  Yes, I am an old fogie.=20

Keith W. Johnson
Designer/Technical Director
EKU Theatre
306 Campbell Building
Eastern Kentucky University
521 Lancaster Avenue
Richmond, KY  40475
phone: (859) 622-1321

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Hyslop
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:54 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Lt. of Inishmore

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

CB wrote:
> To paraphrase the reply given one young actor by a more experienced
actor
> on Broadway, (the younger actor was living in the gutter in NY and not
> bathing regularly to 'get into character, and explained as much to the
> older, knighted actor),=20
> "Try acting dear boy.  Try acting."=20

I heard that was on the set of "The Marathon Man" - Olivier to Hoffman,
after he stayed up over 24 hours to get into character.

--=20
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <BAY103-F40B24DAC9DF4021C58C66DDBE60 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-38904038 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Dyan OConnell" <dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SUNY / CUNY
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:42:34 -0500

I got my undergrad degree from the theatre program at SUNY Buffalo, and pick 
up overhire there around the holidays, so I still keep in touch with the 
crew and faculty there. What sort of info/contacts were you looking for (if 
interested in Buffalo)?

-Dyan O'Connell

Lighting Design
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX
dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com
http://people.smu.edu/dloconne



>From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
>Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>Subject: Re: SUNY / CUNY
>Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:01:25 -0500
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Shoot me an e-mail off list when you get more info.
>
>On 11/25/06 7:52 PM, "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com> wrote:
>
> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > God, I love this list!
> >
> > The letter of recomendation form for SUNY lists "SUNY Purchase" so any
> > contacts overe there would be wonderful!
> >
> > My student will be bringing me the other form when I see him in class
> > tomorow, so will have a better idea of the city collage then.
> >
> > Thank you all.
> >
> > P.S. Simply Circus gives away webspace to projects that share 
>information.
> > A stagecraft site would fit.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Steven Santos
> > Director, Simply Circus, Inc.
> > Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com
> >  Mail: PO BOX 620753
> >        Newton, MA 02462
> > Phone: 781-799-4938
> >  eFax: 309-214-0899
> >   Web: www.SimplyCircus.com
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Herrick
> >> Goldman
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:09 PM
> >> To: Stagecraft
> >> Subject: Re: SUNY / CUNY
> >>
> >>
> >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
><http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Having gone to SUNY Purchase as an out of stater it was still very
> >> affordable (being an RA helped). A few of them have good theater
> >> programs if
> >> that's what your "kid" wants. Purchase is a conservatory so if you 
>think
> >> he/she may drift to another major you may want to steer them to one of 
>the
> >> more liberal arts SUNY or CUNY's.
> >>
> >> Brian Munroe and I can put you in touch with the Design Tech "Dean" 
>(God
> >> when did that guy become dean? He was a student with us!) at Purchase. 
>I
> >> frequently run into Stephen Rees' students and they certainly seem 
>skilled
> >> enuf.... Isn't Steve Bailey at a a SUNY/CUNY or is that Parker?
> >>
> >> We really should do a stagecraft site with our job titles listed.
> >>
> >> CB can be a rigger.
> >>
> >> _H
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/25/06 6:52 PM, "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
><http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> I didn't ask, but I will tomorow.
> >>>
> >>> One of my teenage students - with, shall we say, a much tougher
> >> life than
> >>> most of us would even want to think about - told me during 
>Thanksgiving
> >>> dinner that he is applying to both CUNY and SUNY as a thearter
> >> major.  Not
> >>> really knowing either of these schools, and not being this boys parent
> >>> (though I am one of the only adults in this kids life / that
> >> "my kid" thing
> >>> again...) he asked me a number of questions about the admissions and
> >>> application process I could not even begin to answer, and was
> >> hoping to find
> >>> someone that could find real answer his typicall and not so typical
> >>> questions.
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Steven Santos
> >>> Director, Simply Circus, Inc.
> >>> Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com
> >>>  Mail: PO BOX 620753
> >>>        Newton, MA 02462
> >>> Phone: 781-799-4938
> >>>  eFax: 309-214-0899
> >>>   Web: www.SimplyCircus.com
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Herrick Goldman
> >> Lighting Designer, NYC
> >> www.HGLightingDesign.com
> >> 917-797-3624
> >> "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and 
>in
> >> light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>--
>Herrick Goldman
>Lighting Designer, NYC
>www.HGLightingDesign.com
>917-797-3624
>"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
>light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS
>
>

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Subject: Fire Proof Curtain Testing
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:45:31 -0500
Message-ID: <023C296D67EC1C43AF1D835811EB13BE05D1B7 [at] ECEXCHVS01.etown.edu>
From: "Fritz, Barry L" <fritzbl [at] etown.edu>

I am helping the college review a fire safety policy.  The question of =
flame proofing drapes in the various venue came up.  My questions to the =
all knowing list are.....
=20
How frequently do soft goods (velour, duvetyn, muslin) need to be =
treated on average?
=20
Can yearly tests be conducted "in-house" or do they need to been done by =
a qualified inspector?  Is this based upon or vary with local codes?
=20
Do curtains made of inherently flame resistant materials (synthetic =
velour) still need to be tested annually?
=20
When conducting a test, how are do you do it without damaging the =
curtain?
=20
Thanks,
Barry
=20

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Message-ID: <456B53CD.5060809 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:08:29 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing
References: <list-38984272 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38984272 [at] prxy.net>

Fritz, Barry L wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I am helping the college review a fire safety policy.  The question of flame proofing drapes in the various venue came up.  My questions to the all knowing list are.....
>  
> How frequently do soft goods (velour, duvetyn, muslin) need to be treated on average?

Five years, depending on usage, environment and the results of yearly 
testing.

> Can yearly tests be conducted "in-house" or do they need to been done by a qualified inspector?  Is this based upon or vary with local codes?

It depends on the Authority Having Jurisdiction.  I believe it's more 
about the enforcement of the code than it is about what is specified in 
the code.

> When conducting a test, how are do you do it without damaging the curtain?

This is the hard part.  Get a time machine and buy extra swatches of the 
fabric when you bought the curtain.  Keep these swatches attaced to the 
curtain (Pinned to the webbing is easiest) so they are exposed to the 
same use and environment as the curtain.  When testing time comes 
around, remove a swatch, and test that.

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Message-ID: <b7aa28010611271314p5b15d518h24647a22f36c2a6d [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:14:26 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing
In-Reply-To: <list-38984272 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38984272 [at] prxy.net>

On 11/27/06, Fritz, Barry L <fritzbl [at] etown.edu> wrote:

> I am helping the college review a fire safety policy.  The question of flame proofing drapes in the various venue came up.  My questions to the all knowing list are.....
>
> How frequently do soft goods (velour, duvetyn, muslin) need to be treated on average?
>
> Can yearly tests be conducted "in-house" or do they need to been done by a qualified inspector?  Is this based upon or vary with local codes?
>
> Do curtains made of inherently flame resistant materials (synthetic velour) still need to be tested annually?
>
> When conducting a test, how are do you do it without damaging the curtain?
>

On my show in NYC, We have to retest all the fabrics yearly, prior to
the flame certifications expiring.  We have a scenic artist from the
scene shop that built the show come down and test during a regular
work call.  That person is approved by the NYFD to test for compliance
and apply flame retartdent when fabrics fail.

We test all of our fabrics and drapery, even stuff that is IFR.  The
IFR fabrics always pass and we usually have 1 or 2 items fail the
test, which we then treat and retest.  We test by either cutting away
a small piece from an inconspicous area, or by directly testing an
offstage area.

Our draperies came with flame certs from the manufacter or scene shop,
depending on how they were order.  Those original certs were good for
one year and have to be renew annually.  Again this is in NYC, your
area may vary.

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Message-ID: <b7aa28010611271317n43e129c2i187707bb0eaed78a [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:17:11 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
In-Reply-To: <list-38977215 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38976390 [at] prxy.net> <list-38977215 [at] prxy.net>

On 11/27/06, Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:

> For touring shows I'd mostly use a steel sling.  But, unlike some of the
> tours I've seen, I'd throw em out when they got beat up.

What, you don't like the pig-tailed stingers?

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:31:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C190C349.15BB9%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38985721 [at] prxy.net>

On 11/27/06 4:17 PM, "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> On 11/27/06, Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
> 
>> For touring shows I'd mostly use a steel sling.  But, unlike some of the
>> tours I've seen, I'd throw em out when they got beat up.
> 
> What, you don't like the pig-tailed stingers?
> 
> Brian Munroe
> bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

OK.  Read the sentence that Brian wrote.  It's accurate and a lot of us know
what he means.  Now think of the less experienced folks on this list that do
not yet know the terminology.  Now think of their faces all scrunched up as
they try and figure out what a pig-tailed stinger is and what in the world
you would do with one if you had one.

There.  Wasn't that fun?

And before y'all start yelling at me for being an insensitive lout, please
know I meant no ill.  It's not that some aren't as smart as the rest of us.
They are.  It's just that some don't yet have the experience.  No worries.
There's still time.

OK.  Homeward bound and leftovers!  Yum!

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile








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Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20061127134150.021ce7b0 [at] uci.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:43:03 -0800
From: Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu>
Subject: ETCP Electrician test

Hi All,

Since there has recently been a lot of talk about the Rigging Exam, I 
was wondering if anyone has taken the Electrican Exam.
If so, what were your thoughts and experiences?

....Ron
----
Ron Cargile
ME, Univ of Calif, Irvine
(via digest)


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Message-ID: <456B5E5A.30000 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:53:30 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: Cable & I-beams
References: <list-38986290 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38986290 [at] prxy.net>

Bill Sapsis wrote:

> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> On 11/27/06 4:17 PM, "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>>---------------------------------------------------
>>On 11/27/06, Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>For touring shows I'd mostly use a steel sling.  But, unlike some of the
>>>tours I've seen, I'd throw em out when they got beat up.
>>
>>What, you don't like the pig-tailed stingers?

> OK.  Read the sentence that Brian wrote.  It's accurate and a lot of us know
> what he means.  Now think of the less experienced folks on this list that do
> not yet know the terminology.  Now think of their faces all scrunched up as
> they try and figure out what a pig-tailed stinger is and what in the world
> you would do with one if you had one.

Throw it out apparently.

I'm not a rigger, but context suggests it's a wire-rope sling that has a 
permanent coil in it?

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: Fire Proof Curtain Testing
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:56:04 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAqhWJBnwjP0qOBxbgPMpfigEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-38984272 [at] prxy.net>

First of all, there ain't no such animal as "Fire Proof Curtains". Flame
retardant treated or IFR maybe...

The best answer (but wholly unsatisfying if you're looking for instant
gratification) is to check with your local AHJ. If you're a college, =
that
could be your Campus Fire Marshall, or it could be the local =
municipality's
Fire Marshall.

As far as anything "national" or "typical" or "standard"...

Non-IFR goods should be cleaned or retreated every 5 years or so, =
depending
upon environmental conditions and results of a "match test".

The small scale "match test" is described in NFPA 701: "Standard Methods =
of
Fire Tests for Flame Propagation of Textiles and Films", but =
unfortunately
you will need to pay to download it. But your AHJ should have a copy you =
can
look at.

To get a sample to burn, just cut a small piece from an inside seam or =
hem.

According to NFPA 701, yes, you do have to test IFR fabrics, although it
seems counterintuitive.

Hope this helps.

Peter Scheu
=20
Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Syracuse, NY
www.scheuconsulting.com


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Message-ID: <456B6226.1000401 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:09:42 -0700
From: Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How do you deal...?
References: <list-38863625 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38863625 [at] prxy.net>

CB wrote:

>> There is a freeway
>> in the trees just south of the Grand Canyon that is spectacular, and mostly
>> deserted, though.  
>>> You mean North don't you?  
> 
> Well, both.  North of the canyone starts to get that badlands look to it,
> starting just as you get around the eastern tail of the canyon.  Either
> that or my memory isn't what it used to be, I can't remember which...  I do
> remember that there are two ways to get from 89 to Utah, and both are great
> beauties.

> 
I'm afraid it's your memory.  Take a closer look at an Arizona map.  The 
South side of the Canyon is anything but deserted, the only trees are 
desert style, and you can't get to Utah unless you go back to I-40.  The 
North side, esp 89A, can get pretty lonely and has lots of upland forests.

Chip

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Message-ID: <ce2084ad0611271438rdfa7b43s93cb83b0ef9f7b91 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:38:37 -0500
From: "Ken Romaine" <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
In-Reply-To: <list-38986290 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38985721 [at] prxy.net> <list-38986290 [at] prxy.net>

Bill-you-insensitive-lout:
(Gee, that's a funny name.  Did Unka Mikey give you that?)

OK - I'll bite.  Somebody's got to do it.

What's a pig-tailed stinger and what in the world would you do with
one if you had one, Unka Bill?

<grinning, with guess in mind, but still asking>
-- 
Ken Romaine
Business Development Manager
Barco Media & Entertainment
The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how
much I want to impose them on the rest of the world.

Our story so far:
> On 11/27/06, Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
> For touring shows I'd mostly use a steel sling.  But, unlike some of the
> tours I've seen, I'd throw em out when they got beat up.

Then, also on 11/27/06 4:17 PM, "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> What, you don't like the pig-tailed stingers?

And then, again on 11/27/06, Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
> OK.  Read the sentence that Brian wrote.  It's accurate and a lot of us know
> what he means.  Now think of the less experienced folks on this list that do
> not yet know the terminology.  Now think of their faces all scrunched up as
> they try and figure out what a pig-tailed stinger is and what in the world
> you would do with one if you had one.
>
> There.  Wasn't that fun?
>
> And before y'all start yelling at me for being an insensitive lout, please
> know I meant no ill.  It's not that some aren't as smart as the rest of us.
> They are.  It's just that some don't yet have the experience.  No worries.
> There's still time.
>
> OK.  Homeward bound and leftovers!  Yum!
>
> Bill S.

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Message-ID: <b7318c480611271454k4a853c78j2690b4d06d24326 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:54:03 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
In-Reply-To: <list-38988830 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38985721 [at] prxy.net> <list-38986290 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-38988830 [at] prxy.net>

Pig-tailing results when the cable has been pulled around an object
that has a small diameter.

-Delbert

-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
423-773-4255

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Message-ID: <b7318c480611271510q2d1968feo89e780d3e4cd10fe [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:10:23 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
In-Reply-To: <list-38989341 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38985721 [at] prxy.net> <list-38986290 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-38988830 [at] prxy.net> <list-38989341 [at] prxy.net>

Ken,

To understand "pig-tailing" a little better, try this experiment.:
1) Get a long straight hair for your head (or a friend)
2) Hold it near one end with left hand
3) With your right hand, pinch the hair tightly between the pad of you
index finger with your thumb nail (near where you are holding it with
your left hand)
4) Now, pull the hair so that the hair runs through your right hand
(which being pinched)

The result will be a "pig-tailed" hair.

This is what happens to a cable when it is run across a tight bend.
Not a petty sight.

(See, I told you I was a visual instructor.)

-Delbert

-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
Stage Rigging Seminars
www.delberthall.com
423-773-4255

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Message-ID: <456B7652.5090909 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:35:46 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
References: <list-38771571 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38771571 [at] prxy.net>

b Ricie wrote:

> We all work long days, long hours and long weeks, and
> deal with adverse conditions from time to time. So how
> do people un-wind? What do you do to make ya wanna go
> back for more abuse? (I mean besides the beer)

Nethack or Civ3, Shooting Bullseye, playing with 2 kitties less than a 
year old.

Don't much care for beer, but Woodchuck Cider is OK by me.
I guess that's my Vermont contribution!

Stuart

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <40e.6575ecb.329cd068 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:36:08 EST
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging

In a message dated 27/11/06 20:20:53 GMT Standard Time, 
delbert.hall [at] gmail.com writes:

> If the I-beam is completely exposed, you certainly could put a spanset
>  or cable sling around it (which is probably less expense and a whole
>  lot safer than mis-using a C-clamp), otherwise you need a beam clamp
>  (not a C-clamp).  I have seen a lot of C-clamps used in similar
>  fashions to what you have described.   C-clamps are not rated for this
>  purpose and this creates a dangerous situation.

I'll say! US C-clamps are made in cast iron, which is weak in tension. 
Applying a bending stress to them creates tensions, and is potential bad news. The 
UK variety are safer from this point of view, being made of mild steel. That 
said, I shouldn't use them in this way.

We have, or had, as I expect them all to have been lost, some special clamps 
designed to hang luminaires from an I-beam, plus a number of blocks designed 
to go on I-beams. These would serve quite well.
 

Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <456B7A8D.5000008 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:53:49 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
References: <list-38977193 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38977193 [at] prxy.net>

FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:

> Don't worry, Bill. Once I see your name on a rigging post I know that there 
> will be sound advice below it. Left to myself, I would have suggested chain 
> slings.

And yet you still manage to put in a stupid idea.  I'm Amazed!  How do 
you deal with side loading on the chain links where they wrap the beam?
You had a perfect chance to SHUT UP and redeem yourself, but no....

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c61.87087fb.329cd330 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:48:00 EST
Subject: Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing

In a message dated 27/11/06 21:56:41 GMT Standard Time, 
peter [at] scheuconsulting.com writes:

> First of all, there ain't no such animal as "Fire Proof Curtains". Flame
>  retardant treated or IFR maybe...

I think there are, if you accept "Fire Resistant" as a more useful 
description. An asbestos-steel-asbestos curtain, such as used to be used in most UK 
houses, is pretty fire proof. Of course, they are not allowed these days.


Frank Wood

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:48:04 -0500
Subject: Pig Tailed Slings
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C190E364.3F91%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-38989341 [at] prxy.net>

It is kind of like the wire rope equivalent of curling ribbon. Like what
happens to straight ribbon when you pull it over the edge of a scissors
blade.  It gets all twisty-like and resembles - wait for it -

A pig tail.

Not to be confused with a Hockle or Bird-Cage.

Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia


On 11/27/06 5:54 PM, "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Pig-tailing results when the cable has been pulled around an object
> that has a small diameter.
> 
> -Delbert


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <ceb.31157bf.329cd6ff [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:04:15 EST
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging

In a message dated 27/11/06 23:43:33 GMT Standard Time, sdwheaton [at] fuse.net 
writes:

> And yet you still manage to put in a stupid idea.  I'm Amazed!  How do 
>  you deal with side loading on the chain links where they wrap the beam?
>  You had a perfect chance to SHUT UP and redeem yourself, but no....

By doing the sums. I didn't say that it was a good answer, only that it was a 
better one than the C-clamps, or wrapping the wire. These things are 
comparitive, and it depends on whether you have to satisfy an insurance company.

One has to work within time constraints, financial constraints, availability 
of equipment constraints. These may all conflict. 


Frank Wood

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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:17:13 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Walking on air
In-Reply-To: <list-38853324 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611280016080.6168 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-38809242 [at] prxy.net> <list-38830620 [at] prxy.net> <list-38841128 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-38853324 [at] prxy.net>

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Clive Mitchell wrote:

> Which would get more publicity for the terrorists?
>
> Blowing up a supermarket where hundreds died, but nobody had a camera handy 
> and the immediate closure meant the press couldn't get good photo's.
>
> Blowing up a poncy glass platform sending a few tourists to a hideous and 
> very graphic death while being filmed from every conceivable angle by other 
> tourists.

True - but if they were really smart they would have blown up the London Eye 
instead of tube trains....  But they aren't very smart, are they?

C

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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:36:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
In-Reply-To: <list-38869314 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611280036160.6168 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <10785483.1164251878883.JavaMail.root [at] m41> <list-38778369 [at] prxy.net>
  <list-38852728 [at] prxy.net> <list-38853271 [at] prxy.net> <list-38869314 [at] prxy.net>

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Pat Kight wrote:

> Before or after knitting, I have my choice of hot tub, sauna or clawfoot 
> bath. (-:

With a good friend, I hope!

C

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Message-ID: <456B8833.7020606 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:52:03 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
References: <list-38991240 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38991240 [at] prxy.net>

FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:

> delbert.hall [at] gmail.com writes:
> 
>> If the I-beam is completely exposed, you certainly could put a spanset
>>  or cable sling around it (which is probably less expense and a whole
>>  lot safer than mis-using a C-clamp), otherwise you need a beam clamp
>>  (not a C-clamp).  I have seen a lot of C-clamps used in similar
>>  fashions to what you have described.   C-clamps are not rated for this
>>  purpose and this creates a dangerous situation.
> 
> I'll say! US C-clamps are made in cast iron, which is weak in tension. 
> Applying a bending stress to them creates tensions, and is potential bad news. The 
> UK variety are safer from this point of view, being made of mild steel. That 
> said, I shouldn't use them in this way.

Frank...Based on context, In the US there are two kinds of c-clamps, one 
is for lighting, the other is what you use in the shop and call 
G-clamps, some of these are cast and some are stamped steel.  I believe 
those are what Paul saw.   None of them are suitable for the sort of 
application cited.

Assuming this is a permanent or semi-permanent installation, then I beam 
clamps of the proper size, about $5 ea in McMaster for 700 lb rated 
fittings sure strikes me as the safest and most elegant solution.

Stuart

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:54:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C190F30B.15BDC%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38988830 [at] prxy.net>

Gee, Ken.  I was just playing with the words.  I wasn't really expecting
answers.  But I should know better, huh?  <<VBG>>

The pig tail, as others have said, is a condition found in a steel sling
that has had a serious load applied to it...and then had the load
removed...a number of times.  In an arena rigging situation this normally
occurs in the "basket" part of the rig.  The "basket' is a steel sling that
wraps around the I-beam.  Usually, but certainly not always, this is a 5' X
3/8" =D8 wire rope sling.  It's called a basket because both ends of the slin=
g
hang down around the I-beam and they both take the weight of whatever is
hanging below them.

When weight is applied to the sling and it compresses around the edge of an
I-beam, then there is a pressure point on the sling and it is damaged at
that location.  When the weight is removed the sling cannot go back to it's
original shape because of the damaged section and it twists on itself.  Do
this a few times and you get a pig tail.  It is not a good thing.

The stinger part of the original post is not exactly accurate.  It's
extremely rare to get a pig tail in a stinger because the stinger does not
normally go around anything.  The stinger is a steel sling that connects to
the two eyes of the "basket" and hangs down to where the chain hoist chain
hook connects into it.  It is also sometimes referred to as a down tail.
For the stinger to have a pig tail it must be bent around something sharp o=
n
a regular basis.  And that should not be happening.

The stinger exists usually because you don't need to us the whole height of
the building or you simply don't need to.  For example, if you are working
in a 110' high building but the trim height of the rig is only 45' then you
do not need a hoist with 110' of chain in it.  You need one with about 60'
or so and then you use a 50' stinger.  The sling is lighter than the chain,
no?  No sense pulling up more chain than you have to, yes?

I'm not sure who mentioned using a spanset on the I-beam but that is a
definite no no.  The I-beam flange may feel rounded over to you when you
grip it, but when you apply a 2,000 pound crushing force against it it
becomes a knife edge.  Spansets are only approved for going around rounded
edges...like a truss cord.  (chord?)

Zat help?

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile








On 11/27/06 5:38 PM, "Ken Romaine" <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> Bill-you-insensitive-lout:
> (Gee, that's a funny name.  Did Unka Mikey give you that?)
>=20
> OK - I'll bite.  Somebody's got to do it.
>=20
> What's a pig-tailed stinger and what in the world would you do with
> one if you had one, Unka Bill?
>=20
> <grinning, with guess in mind, but still asking>



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Message-ID: <456B899E.9030105 [at] peak.org>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:58:06 -0800
From: Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
References: <10785483.1164251878883.JavaMail.root [at] m41> <list-38778369 [at] prxy.net>  <list-38852728 [at] prxy.net> <list-38853271 [at] prxy.net> <list-38869314 [at] prxy.net> <list-38993530 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38993530 [at] prxy.net>

Charlie Richmond wrote:


> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Pat Kight wrote:
> 
>> Before or after knitting, I have my choice of hot tub, sauna or 
>> clawfoot bath. (-:

> With a good friend, I hope!

Heh. When it comes to the hot tub and sauna, I have more good friends 
than I need. The bathtub ... well, only when he's visiting from Seattle. (-;

(I didn't buy this 100-year-old house *because* it has a sauna, but I 
didn't object when I discovered that it did...)

-- 
Pat Kight
kightp [at] peak.org





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Message-ID: <456B8B1B.8080201 [at] earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:04:27 -0800
From: Bill Schaffell <wjss [at] earthlink.net>
Subject: wide format printers

My epson 1520 (17"x22") printer is no more.  What are you using to print 
out drawings? I would love to bump up to 24" wide.

thanks,
b

Bill Schaffell
WJS Studios
909-986-2363



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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:16:21 -0500
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rigging
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C190F815.15BE7%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38993715 [at] prxy.net>

On 11/27/06 7:52 PM, "Stuart Wheaton" <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net> wrote:

> Assuming this is a permanent or semi-permanent installation, then I beam
> clamps of the proper size, about $5 ea in McMaster for 700 lb rated
> fittings sure strikes me as the safest and most elegant solution.

Or, you could get them from a list member.  Please remember that you should
always replace the standard hex nut on this style of clamp with a Nylock
style locking hex nut.

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile






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Message-ID: <90d9c9980611271722q41cb220p66d81130cb5beec1 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:22:30 -0500
From: "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: wide format printers
In-Reply-To: <list-38994490 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38994490 [at] prxy.net>

Mine is about 7 years old, but works well. HP DesignJet 450c. I've had
to replace the rubber drive belt once. Not too hard and I saved $400
by doing it myself.
It uses either lone sheets or 24" rolls. It can print 24" by whatever
length you wish.
Scott

On 11/27/06, Bill Schaffell <wjss [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> My epson 1520 (17"x22") printer is no more.  What are you using to print
> out drawings? I would love to bump up to 24" wide.
>
> thanks,
> b
>
> Bill Schaffell
> WJS Studios
> 909-986-2363
>
>
>


-- 
Thanks and take care, Scott

	Scott C. Parker
	Professor/Technical Director
	Dept. of Performing Arts
	Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
	Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
	Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
	New York, NY 10038
	212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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Message-ID: <b7aa28010611271722y703d770fxfc9decdd2164c680 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:22:47 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)
In-Reply-To: <list-38994135 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38988830 [at] prxy.net> <list-38994135 [at] prxy.net>

On 11/27/06, Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
> The stinger part of the original post is not exactly accurate.

True, I was using the term 'stinger' as a general reference to 3/8"
steel slings.

> I'm not sure who mentioned using a spanset on the I-beam but that is a
> definite no no.  The I-beam flange may feel rounded over to you when you
> grip it, but when you apply a 2,000 pound crushing force against it it
> becomes a knife edge.  Spansets are only approved for going around rounded
> edges...like a truss cord.  (chord?)

In some jurisdictions there are also issues with using spansets
because of their low melting point.  If there was a fire the spansets
could melt and drop their load.  Many venues require steel safeties as
backups to spansets.  That is one advantage the newer steel spansets
(gacflex) have.

Chord is the correct spelling.

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Message-ID: <90d9c9980611271724w4c136094g90b489ce38463b5d [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:24:22 -0500
From: "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Show News
In-Reply-To: <list-38977084 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38977084 [at] prxy.net>

Yes!! http://www.roadie.net
 hth, Scott

On 11/27/06, MissWisc [at] aol.com <MissWisc [at] aol.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Was chatting with a friend who's on tour and he  lamented the death of "Show
> News" an email list for touring folks to keep track  of who's where and doing
> what for whom. Before I go create a Yahoo Group to  replace it, I was
> wondering if any of you good folks might know of a similar  list/email group or could
> direct me to whomever was responsible for the  original.
>
> Kristi
> 10 days til hubby comes home!
>
>


-- 
Thanks and take care, Scott

	Scott C. Parker
	Professor/Technical Director
	Dept. of Performing Arts
	Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
	Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
	Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
	New York, NY 10038
	212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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Message-ID: <009101c7128c$32fbc270$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
References: <list-38992613 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:26:11 -0700

> Frank Wood
> One has to work within time constraints, financial constraints,
availability
> of equipment constraints. These may all conflict.

Frank:
First Rule of overhead.
Safety.
All other conflicts are secondary at best.
and when Safety has been met,  pretty much guess most other
"constraints" have been satisfied or disregarded.
Rob't


>
> By doing the sums. I didn't say that it was a good answer, only that
it was a
> better one than the C-clamps, or wrapping the wire. These things are
> comparitive, and it depends on whether you have to satisfy an
insurance company.


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Message-ID: <b7318c480611271801q536f99dbl63b1d79ee39e7cbe [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:01:49 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: wide format printers
In-Reply-To: <list-38994490 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-38994490 [at] prxy.net>

A couple of weeks ago I bought an HP DesignJet 9800 printer that does
11"x17" prints.  It was very reasonably priced, $265, and it has
worked fine so far, but I do not plan to do a lot of printing on it
(my copier does 11"x17" copies).  If you plan to do a lot of printing
I recommend that you get a printer that you can install a continuous
flow system on.

-Delbert
-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
423-773-4255

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Message-ID: <456B9BD0.7060202 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:15:44 -0500
From: Dale farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
References: <list-38771571 [at] prxy.net> <list-38990752 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38990752 [at] prxy.net>

Stuart Wheaton wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> b Ricie wrote:
> 
>> We all work long days, long hours and long weeks, and
>> deal with adverse conditions from time to time. So how
>> do people un-wind? What do you do to make ya wanna go
>> back for more abuse? (I mean besides the beer)
> 
> Nethack or Civ3, Shooting Bullseye, playing with 2 kitties less than a 
> year old.
> 
> Don't much care for beer, but Woodchuck Cider is OK by me.
> I guess that's my Vermont contribution!
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 

   Usually I go and read a book.  Mainly science fiction and fantasy. 
If I need to catch up on my sleep, I have a selection of engineering 
textbooks on subjects that I'd like to learn a bit more about.
   If the weather is nice enough and I feel in the mood, I'll go out to 
the range and poke holes in paper or plastic targets.  But that's 
another hobby that one can spend too much money on.  Fifteen to twenty 
five cents every time it goes bang.  I have an acquaintance who has an 
extremely expensive hobby.  M2HB machine gun.  $1.95 every time it goes 
bang.  Not to mention that the only range that he can shoot it at is a 
couple hours drive away.

   --Dale



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Message-ID: <456B9FDC.6010806 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:33:00 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rigging
References: <list-38994873 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38994873 [at] prxy.net>

Bill Sapsis wrote:


> Or, you could get them from a list member.  Please remember that you should
> always replace the standard hex nut on this style of clamp with a Nylock
> style locking hex nut.

One certainly could, and probably should!  Sapsis probably even sells 
them with the nylock already there.  And they will certainly help you 
sort out just which clamp you need, if you are not sure.

My point was not to dodge Mr. Sapsis as a supplier, but to point out how 
just about anybody can easily source these, and that they are CHEAP 
compared to the threat of using the wrong stuff!

Sorry 'bout that Bill.

Stuart

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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c13.afbbf69.329cf78c [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:23:08 EST
Subject: Re: Cable & I-beams (was: C-Clamps and Rrigging)

_delbert.hall [at] gmail.com_ (mailto:delbert.hall [at] gmail.com)   writes:
The result will be a "pig-tailed" hair.

OK Time to go to bed,  I learned something new today!
 
 I always called it a curly-cue stinger (stinger  as slang for  the hardware 
whether it's used as the basket or the stinger in the actual  rig.)

My mind was thinking that a "pig-tailed stinger" would have split  somewhere  
- like the pig tail hair do. Glad I know  otherwise!

Kristi
 

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:24:55 -0500
Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1910827.15C03%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-38996890 [at] prxy.net>

On 11/27/06 9:15 PM, "Dale farmer" <dale [at] cybercom.net> wrote:

> If the weather is nice enough and I feel in the mood, I'll go out to
> the range and poke holes in paper or plastic targets.  But that's
> another hobby that one can spend too much money on.  Fifteen to twenty
> five cents every time it goes bang.  I have an acquaintance who has an
> extremely expensive hobby.  M2HB machine gun.  $1.95 every time it goes
> bang.  Not to mention that the only range that he can shoot it at is a
> couple hours drive away.

Note to self.  Do not, under any circumstances, piss off Dale or his friend.



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Message-ID: <456BA062.9050805 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:35:14 -0500
From: Dale farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Cable & I-beams
References: <list-38985721 [at] prxy.net> <list-38986290 [at] prxy.net>	 <list-38988830 [at] prxy.net> <list-38989341 [at] prxy.net> <list-38990146 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38990146 [at] prxy.net>

Delbert Hall wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Ken,
> 
> To understand "pig-tailing" a little better, try this experiment.:
> 1) Get a long straight hair for your head (or a friend)
> 2) Hold it near one end with left hand
> 3) With your right hand, pinch the hair tightly between the pad of you
> index finger with your thumb nail (near where you are holding it with
> your left hand)
> 4) Now, pull the hair so that the hair runs through your right hand
> (which being pinched)
> 
> The result will be a "pig-tailed" hair.
> 
> This is what happens to a cable when it is run across a tight bend.
> Not a petty sight.
> 
> (See, I told you I was a visual instructor.)
> 
> -Delbert
> 

    In welding, I've heard the term stinger used to refer to the arc 
welding rod holder.   Some AV guys I've known used the term stinger to 
refer to a stage pin extension cable.  Pig tailing I've heard used as a 
term of derision to a electrical repair or connection that was done in a 
half-assed manner.  I was envisioning an extension cord that had been 
run over by the food vendor's forklift, and "repaired" with the cut 
wires twisted together and wrapped in a big ball of tape.  Usually found 
laying in a mud puddle.

    Everything is context sensitive.  Except FrankW.

    --Dale



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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:36:10 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
In-reply-to: <list-38993715 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061127183450.01f92b18 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-38991240 [at] prxy.net> <list-38993715 [at] prxy.net>

At 04:52 PM 11/27/2006, Stuart Wheaton wrote:
>Assuming this is a permanent or semi-permanent installation, then I 
>beam clamps of the proper size, about $5 ea in McMaster for 700 lb 
>rated fittings sure strikes me as the safest and most elegant solution.

Go look at page 1394 of the McMaster online catalog, "Adjustable Wire 
Rope Hangers".  It seems THEY think it's ok to wrap anI-beam with a wire rope.



-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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Message-ID: <456BA8CE.40804 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:11:10 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: C-Clamps and Rrigging
References: <list-38991240 [at] prxy.net> <list-38993715 [at] prxy.net> <list-38997594 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38997594 [at] prxy.net>

Jerry Durand wrote:

> At 04:52 PM 11/27/2006, Stuart Wheaton wrote:
>> Assuming this is a permanent or semi-permanent installation, then I 
>> beam clamps of the proper size, about $5 ea in McMaster for 700 lb 
>> rated fittings sure strikes me as the safest and most elegant solution.
> 
> Go look at page 1394 of the McMaster online catalog, "Adjustable Wire 
> Rope Hangers".  It seems THEY think it's ok to wrap anI-beam with a wire 
> rope.

1. Sapsis sells the right stuff, with 3.5 times the working load, 		 
cheaper.
2. If Sapsis says wrapping I beams with cable is stupid, I'll trust him.
3. The ad copy says "flat head screwdriver" which PROVES it was written 
        	by an idiot!

Stuart


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Message-ID: <456BA710.5050103 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:03:44 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Neutral Density
References: <list-38863956 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-38863956 [at] prxy.net>

CB wrote:
>>Full CTO would take HMI (or other daylight sources) right down to 3200
>>Kelvin, but 1/8 would just bring the colour temperature down slightly.
>>At least, that's how I understand it :-)
> 
> 
> Full CTO is a full stop in that range of orange, 1/2 CTO is a half stop of
> orange.  It transtlates, i.e. we're sying the same thing.  Color correction
> does so by 'stopping down' the part of the light that is wrong, and
> allowing the colours that are 'correct' to remain unfiltered.

I forwarded the question to the DOP who is teaching my course, that's
why it's taken me so long to reply.

You've got the basic idea, but some of the details are a little mixed up
;-) Yes, colour correction gels and filters work by "filtering out" the
part of the light that is wrong. There is, therefore, some loss of
overall intensity, but a full CTO takes away about 2/3 of a stop, not a
full stop. As Andy suggested the swatch books'll tell you for sure :-)

-- 
Jim Hyslop



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