Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 30589321; Sat, 27 May 2006 03:03:12 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,ADVANCE_FEE_2, AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SARE_MONEYTERMS autolearn=no version=3.1.1 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #823 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 03:01:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #823 1. Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) by Jim Hyslop 2. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by Dorian Kelly 3. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by "C. Dopher" 4. Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 5. Tamper proof screws by "Dougherty, Jim" 6. Re: Victorian Piano Shell (not) by "Paul Guncheon" 7. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by "Paul Guncheon" 8. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by "Paul Guncheon" 9. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by "Paul Guncheon" 10. No more show blacks required...ever by Herrick Goldman 11. Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" 12. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by Clive Mitchell 13. Re: No more show blacks required...ever by iaeg [at] aol.com 14. Re: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) by Steven Hood 15. Re: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 16. Re: Finelite by "richard j. archer" 17. Waco theater needs TD, now! by b Ricie 18. USITT Conference and Stage Expo 2008 by Heather Hillhouse-Deans 19. Re: No more show blacks required...ever by Stephen Litterst 20. Re: Finelite by Joe Golden 21. Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) by Jerry Durand 22. Lightning bolt effect by "Laura McMeley" 23. Re: Lightning bolt effect by iaeg [at] aol.com 24. Re: No more show blacks required...ever by Jerry Durand 25. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "Frank E. Merrill" 26. Re: Lightning bolt effect by Jerry Durand 27. Re: Lightning bolt effect by Clive Mitchell 28. Re: Lightning bolt effect by Jerry Durand 29. Re: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) by 30. Re: lighting clamps (was: video clip) by Jerry Durand 31. Re: No more show blacks required...ever by "Peter Scheu" 32. Full-time job opening (Shop Mgr) in Greater Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky area by "Abby Downing" 33. Re: Taiko Drums by CB 34. Beni Suef theatre fire by "Bill Conner" 35. Re: Beni Suef theatre fire by "RD" 36. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "RD" 37. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by CB 38. Re: lighting clamps by CB 39. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by "RD" 40. Re: PC/VGA to TV by CB 41. Re: Taiko Drums by CB 42. Re: Codes & Standards (was Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions) by "RD" 43. Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions by "RD" 44. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "Paul Schreiner" 45. Re: Taiko Drums by Stephen Litterst 46. Re: Lightning bolt effect by iaeg [at] aol.com 47. Re: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) by "Paul Schreiner" 48. Re: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) by iaeg [at] aol.com 49. Re: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) by iaeg [at] aol.com 50. Re: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) by Steve Larson 51. Re: Taiko Drums by "chip.a.wood" 52. Sennheiser Infrared Emitters by "Lon Butcher" 53. Re: Sennheiser Infrared Emitters by Clive Mitchell 54. Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! by "Scott Parker" 55. Re: Lightning bolt effect by Dale Farmer 56. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "RD" 57. Re: Taiko Drums by Greg Persinger 58. Re: Lightning bolt effect by Dale Farmer 59. G-Lec Lightframes by 60. Re: G-Lec Lightframes by "herrick" 61. Why am I and My ME not dead?! by "Diana Kesselschmidt" 62. Re: Why am I and My ME not dead?! by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 63. Re: Taiko Drums by "Bill Nelson" 64. Re: Sennheiser Infrared Emitters by "Bill Nelson" 65. Re: Sennheiser Infrared Emitters by "Bill Nelson" 66. Re: Why am I and My ME not dead?! by Clive Mitchell 67. Re: Lightning bolt effect by Clive Mitchell 68. Re: Lightning bolt effect by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <4476E005.5090101 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:01:26 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) References:

In-Reply-To: Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center wrote: > The electrical characteristics of USB allow a maximum of a 5 meter > (16.5 foot) cable. To go farther you have to use a hub or repeater. Thanks for the correction, Carla. You just proved the saying: The best way to get information on the Internet is not to ask a question, but to post wrong information :=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:00:51 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! >>Clive Michell wrote > >Although fortunately someone came up with the idea of a wingnut >spanner that fits over the wingnut and lets you crack it right in >until the thread strips on both bolt and clamp. The idea of the wing nut spanner is to undo the ones that someone else has overtightened Dorian Kelly Illumionati Creative Technology ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6DB2DB65-E82D-4FE8-94FC-6556F8062AEA [at] dopher.com> From: "C. Dopher" Subject: Re: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:43:11 -0400 Frank wrote: > And, believe it or not, it was actually designed to be awkward and > slow you > down. Typing too fast on an old mechanical typewriter oflen lead to > bits of the > mechanism jamming and tangling. Well, you're partly right. However, you might note the phrase "sped up" used in the this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwerty Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Can Falls Down, Goes Boom... on Reporter's Head! Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:45:08 -0400 Message-ID: <028401c680c2$38986500$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > And, believe it or not, it was actually designed to be awkward and > > slow you > > down. Typing too fast on an old mechanical typewriter oflen=20 > lead to =20 > > bits of the > > mechanism jamming and tangling. OK, I now have a better understanding of the design concept behind = Colortran consoles.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:20:48 -0400 Subject: Tamper proof screws From: "Dougherty, Jim" Message-ID: >> submit to a suitable drill bit. >...saw, grinder, cold chisel, sledgehammer, gun, bomb.... ;) ...axe, halligan, boot... :) - Jim Dougherty ATD Middlebury College Theatre Dept. Volunteer FF ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001f01c680c8$8481ee40$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: RE: Victorian Piano Shell (not) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 03:30:11 -1000 Well, Paul urned that one.>> Sometimes I must devase myself which is rather jarring... especially when I'm potted. <> Ganging up on me 'eh?... I get the pitcher. Be careful people, or you'll wake up the other Victorian Shell on this list... and he's way worse than me. Laters, Paul "Where's the choir master" said Tom, looking for decanter. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002001c680c8$9dd6ea80$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 03:30:54 -1000 <> "Any" carpet experience is more than I want to have. Laters, Paul "I just love your thick bouncy carpet" said Tom, piling it on. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002101c680c9$2d3297b0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 03:34:55 -1000 <> Unionize. Works for me. < From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 03:36:04 -1000 <> or <<...saw, grinder, cold chisel, sledgehammer, gun, bomb....>> or the "non-unscrewable" or "one way" screw remover. http://power-tools.hardwarestore.com/54-394-screwdriver-bit-security/1-way-s crew-remover-603423.aspx Laters, Paul "My arm is tired from working on the deck, so now I'll start putting the fasteners into the ceiling" said Tom, screwing up. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:41:51 -0400 Subject: No more show blacks required...ever From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12961080/ -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:46:34 -0700 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) In-reply-to: Message-id: <447706BA.9040405 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> References: Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Thu, May 25, 2006 9:31 pm, Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center wrote: > >> The electrical characteristics of USB allow a maximum of a 5 meter >> (16.5 foot) cable. To go farther you have to use a hub or repeater. >> Maximum distance with hubs is 30 meters, to be within the 26 nanosecond >> round trip spec. You can buy USB extension cords and sneak past the 5 >> meters. . Sometimes it works, sometimes not. >> > > Sometime around this month Belkin is supposed to release a wireless USB > 2.0 hub. You plug the base dongle into your computer (Mac/PC/Linux) and > take the hub wherever you want. I think it's a 4-port hub. Could be > quite handy. > > If it works out, that device will solve a major problem for our product... Thanks for the heads-up! Carla theatre geek by accident, USB firmware engineer by necessity... www.BogusTrivia.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:48:09 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! References: In-Reply-To: In message , Paul Guncheon writes ><experience than I ever will have, happy, because he got a raise to >$9.00 an hour.>> > >"Any" carpet experience is more than I want to have. > >Laters, > >Paul > >"I just love your thick bouncy carpet" said Tom, piling it on. These jokes are really pushing it. "I think he's going to pull it off" said Tom wankily. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:54:21 -0400 Message-Id: <8C84EE306573774-B28-DCB [at] mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> From: iaeg [at] aol.com References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: No more show blacks required...ever except cast members and other crew members would be bumping into each other all the time.... very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group -----Original Message----- From: Herrick Goldman To: Stagecraft Sent: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:41:51 -0400 Subject: No more show blacks required...ever For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12961080/ -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060526135904.84496.qmail [at] web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:59:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Hood Subject: Re: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) In-Reply-To: Part of what we face in this business is a situation with fewer "steps" to be promoted than typical business people... We start as stagehands or students, and given enough time and experience, we end up supervising stagehands or students and helping deal with more paperwork... Some economist a couple hundred years ago wrote that the mental work of managing was more valuable to the nation's economy than the manual labor. My gut response is to find that person and smack them with one of the 2x4's lying around my shop, but I'm sure that won't solve the problem. I run a shop, and I do so because I'm pretty good at getting stuff built safely and on time. Most industries (and the military, which is a pretty big industry unto itself) expect people to move up the ladder into management positions eventually. Theatre is a whole different animal, and we tend to stay where we're doing what we enjoy. Most of us didn't get into this hoping to be the managing director who then has to cut the budgets he used to be part of... The rest of the world doesn't understand this concept. Most of my non-theatre acquaintences oft refer to themselves as mindless office drones. They hope to move up the ladder to be better-paid office drones. We hope to work on interesting shows, and it tends to be the mindset early in our careers that when we can pay our bills, so much the better. We don't think early enough about how accepting work for no pay can diminish our brothers' and sisters' earning potential everywhere else; we're just happy to have a gig on the resume. Here's my assignment: don't work for free. Join the union, and don't take crappy wages. Be involved with your union to push for better wages. As I run the shop, I pay my people as well as I can. Anytime anyone asks me if I need anything for the shop, I tell them I need more money in my labor budget to pay my people better... That's my rant... Back to sprucing my shop before the next season hits... Steven TD, Regent Uni __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:09:04 -0400 Message-ID: <029d01c680cd$f2424c40$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: It all starts with respect. Designers get little respect; technicians get less. ...And respect starts in school. I taught for awhile at a college at which all of the acting and directing teachers and none of the designers (and *certainly* not the TD!) were tenure-track. What message does this send? That these are less important positions, not worthy of respect. When we allow them to use the diminutive "techie" (unless they also refer to "acties" and "dancies" -- I called an opera producer on this recently; he now signs his emails to me with "Singie") it sends the same message. We shouldn't expect them to pay us well if they don't respect what we do. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:23:34 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Finelite List; Anybody ever uses these image projectors. Seems to be an adapted Selecon. I heard one was at Selecon booth at USITT. I didn't go to Louisville. Thanks Dick A TD, Cornell U ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060526142901.30892.qmail [at] web50615.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:29:01 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: Waco theater needs TD, now! In-Reply-To: They need a TD, NOW!, HuH? $25,000 + benefits, humm... Gosh, I wonder if that is 25 grand per skill? Or perhaps, the benefits include room and board and student loan payments to help pay for all the skills I am sure they want. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44771146.105 [at] lehigh.edu> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:31:34 -0400 From: Heather Hillhouse-Deans Subject: USITT Conference and Stage Expo 2008 I promised I would pass this along when I found out, thanks to Carrie at the USITT office for the info.... The Houston Conference & Stage Expo dates are set for March 19-22, 2008. Heather Hillhouse-Deans Technical Director Lehigh University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:37:36 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: No more show blacks required...ever In-reply-to: Message-id: <447712B0.2010309 [at] ithaca.edu> References: Herrick Goldman wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12961080/ Would that technology also work as defense against lasers and phasers? Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joe=20Golden?= Subject: Re: Finelite Date: 26 May 2006 07:48:06 -0700 Message-ID: Great unit. I have some pics from a project I did. E-mail me off list if= you would like to see. Joe Golden Sent from my Treo -----Original Message----- From: richard j. archer Date: 5/26/06 7:24 am To: Stagecraft Subj: Re: Finelite For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- List; Anybody ever uses these image projectors. Seems to be an adapted Selecon. I heard one was at Selecon booth at USITT. I didn't go to Louisville. Thanks Dick A TD, Cornell U ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:59:28 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: USB Foot Pedal/Big Button (was Re: Sound Byte) In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On May 26, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center wrote: > If it works out, that device will solve a major problem for our > product... Thanks for the heads-up! The Belkin part number is F5U301 and is called "CableFree USB Hub and Dongle Set". Ship date change to July 2006 ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Lightning bolt effect Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:58:56 -0500 Message-ID: <004301c680d5$102ad630$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01> I am doing a show in which there is an old TV antenna that must appear to be stuck by lightning while an actor is standing next to it. I have done lots of effects of lightning in the distance, but am wondering if anyone has any clever ideas for this effect. The space if very small. Audience is approx. 20 ft, away and immediately behind the antenna is an area of bamboo. This means the effect probably cannot include any pyro effects. (Not to mention the fact that we have no money to hire a licensed pyro tech.) I have thought possibly of using some version of the fiber optic tube that looks like neon, but have not worked with this and know nothing about cost or how well it works. Lighting Budget is $200 for this show. Any ideas? Laura McMeley LD, Dallas,TX http://www.geocities.com/lmcmeley/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:06:31 -0400 Message-Id: <8C84EED1B61506E-CC8-41C [at] mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> From: iaeg [at] aol.com References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect wooooo reading this post I had all sorts of ideas, , , from custom created flash tubes to strings of flash bulbs, , etc until I read the "$200" budget, , soo, , , , will have to think some more while attending to other issues today..... very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group -----Original Message----- From: Laura McMeley To: Stagecraft Sent: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:58:56 -0500 Subject: Lightning bolt effect For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I am doing a show in which there is an old TV antenna that must appear to be stuck by lightning while an actor is standing next to it. I have done lots of effects of lightning in the distance, but am wondering if anyone has any clever ideas for this effect. The space if very small. Audience is approx. 20 ft, away and immediately behind the antenna is an area of bamboo. This means the effect probably cannot include any pyro effects. (Not to mention the fact that we have no money to hire a licensed pyro tech.) I have thought possibly of using some version of the fiber optic tube that looks like neon, but have not worked with this and know nothing about cost or how well it works. Lighting Budget is $200 for this show. Any ideas? Laura McMeley LD, Dallas,TX http://www.geocities.com/lmcmeley/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:10:41 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: No more show blacks required...ever In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On May 26, 2006, at 7:37 AM, Stephen Litterst wrote: > > Would that technology also work as defense against lasers and phasers? Probably, but I've always liked an outfit covered with corner reflectors better (think reflective tape), aims the beam back at the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:13:20 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <33921158.20060526111320 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Friday, May 26, 2006, Laura McMeley wrote: > ...doing a show in which there is an old TV antenna that must appear to be > struck by lightning while an actor is standing next to it...cannot > include any pyro effects...Budget is $200 for this show. Assuming the $200 is supposed to cover a cupla burned out lamp bulbs and some color media in addition to the lightning effect, I'd suggest there be a bright flash, a big boom, and a startled actor saying something like "Golly Gee! Did you see that lightning bolt hit that big antenna right there?" Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:34:39 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On May 26, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Frank E. Merrill wrote: > Assuming the $200 is supposed to cover a cupla burned out lamp bulbs > and some color media in addition to the lightning effect, I'd suggest > there be a bright flash, a big boom, and a startled actor saying > something like "Golly Gee! Did you see that lightning bolt hit that > big antenna right there?" And maybe a little smoke curling up from the antenna? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:32:25 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect References: In-Reply-To: In message , Laura McMeley writes >I am doing a show in which there is an old TV antenna that must appear >to be stuck by lightning while an actor is standing next to it. I have >done lots of effects of lightning in the distance, but am wondering if >anyone has any clever ideas for this effect. The space if very small. >Audience is approx. 20 ft, away and immediately behind the antenna is >an area of bamboo. This means the effect probably cannot include any >pyro effects. (Not to mention the fact that we have no money to hire a >licensed pyro tech.) This is really a pyro effect for the best result. However, if you really want it to look tame then you could get creative with a lightning gobo, flash tube behind the TV. Fierce sound effects and a quick squirt of smoke. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:37:53 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On May 26, 2006, at 8:32 AM, Clive Mitchell wrote: > However, if you really want it to look tame then you could get > creative with a lightning gobo, flash tube behind the TV. Fierce > sound effects and a quick squirt of smoke. Depending on lighting, you could release some haze into the area of the lighting just before the effect, then fire a focused strobe up through the haze. The area would have to be dark enough before the bolt so people didn't see the haze, you could bring up a light on the haze after the bolt for the lingering smoke. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060526162018.31748.qmail [at] web81815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: jobs and wages (sort of an annual rant) In-Reply-To: --- Steven Hood wrote: > Here's my assignment: don't work for free. Join the > union, and don't take crappy wages. Be involved with > your union to push for better wages. This is a wonderful idea! As long as your local is willing to work new people. About 2 years ago I was unhappy at my work so I took a pay cut to go work a local summer theater (yes it was worth it). It was about 4.5 months of work and my old job was full time without benefits. My wife was concerned about what I would do for work after the season was over. I told her I would freelance around town and get on the union's over-hire list. Well it turns out that this local's president doesn't like to call new people. No matter how many people you know in the union he only calls the people he knows. I even heard that one week he needed a total of 250+ stagehands and I still didn't get a call. Many of the other hands told me that I have to call him 2-3 times a week to get work and I told them that if wanted help in making the theater I was working at a union house he needed to help me now. I was getting enough work to pay the bills from other non-union employers making anywhere from 14-20hr and I didn't have to pay dues on that money so I didn't care that much. I now have a nice full time job managing a high school auditorium. It is salary + benefits + overtime pay. I am what I call one of the luck few to have a full time job in theater that has good pay plus benefits. I understand that unions are brotherhoods and we still need them to protect workers from employer abuse. However when one local intentionally keeps new people out I think they are doing a dis-service to themselves, the clients, and making a bad name for the national. Not to mention forcing young and new people to work for less and not for them. But that is just my opinion. Ken Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:23:10 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: lighting clamps (was: video clip) In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060526092156.01fa3f60 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 05:20 PM 5/25/2006, Andy Ciddor wrote: >Whether any standard fits well with a particular measurement system >is frequently an accident of history, the OD of 1 1/2' water pipe is >also 0.1056 biblical Cubits, 1.0866 Rack Units, 3.2285 X 10^-13 >Astronomical Units. Sadly none of these numbers brings even a hint >of a grin to my face. Back when I was designing rack-mount equipment, I did get a grin out of the "pure metric" measurements (U, H, etc.) that all just happen to come out to even inch sizes. :) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: No more show blacks required...ever Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:57:19 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Stephen Litterst wrote: >Would that technology also work as defense against lasers and phasers? Lasers maybe so. But wide dispersal phasers might work against you. I'd = give photon torpedoes a shot as well, if my helmsman could plot their = anticipated course from their last known coordinates. ;-) Peter Scheu =20 Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Subject: Full-time job opening (Shop Mgr) in Greater Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky area Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:03:43 -0400 Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA30E189 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local> From: "Abby Downing" On Location Lighting Systems, Inc. in Greater Cincinnati / Northern Kentucky area seeking someone to fill full-time position of Shop Manager for our Rental/Production Department. A brief description of duties includes: pulling, preparing, and testing outgoing equipment, checking in and testing incoming equipment, maintenance and repair of rental inventory including some automated fixture maintenance and repair, scheduling labor for shop when needed, delivery and pick-up of equipment, and assisting on some production work. Overtime and some out of town travel is required. Please contact me via e-mail for further details if you're interested. To apply, please e-mail or fax resume to my attention. Kind Regards, Abby Downing Service Manager and Sales On Location Lighting Systems, Inc. 2552 American Court Erlanger, KY 41017 859-426-5500 office 859-426-5600 fax Mail to: aldowning [at] onlocationls.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060526110840.00d5e8c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:08:40 From: CB Subject: Re: Taiko Drums >After the sound designer observed that we were >being too noisy, we turned them off for the rest of the rehearsal. When >he continued to comment on how noisy the lights were, we told him they >were off and the noise must be elsewhere. Yahbut, more often than not it really *is* the movers. On a tour about an Egyptian woman (Hey Kramer, Kara says. "Hi!") without elephants once we had a mover that actuallyput out 1K tone. I argued with the LD at length, and even the A1 told me I was hearing something else in the building. At the second venue, I suggested that it must be our gear, or the second venue had an identical fault in the identical kit. I had been pointing at one mover the entire time, and sure enough, when we brought the electric in, everyone could hear it. Not like they changed anything, though... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <016d01c680f0$1ca43df0$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Beni Suef theatre fire Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:13:38 -0500 from Reuters: CAIRO - An Egyptian court sentenced eight government employees, including the head of a cultural body, to 10 years in jail each on Monday for negligence over a theatre fire last year that killed 46 people, a judicial official said. The official said that Mostafa Elwy, head of the authority for cultural centres who was among those convicted, was also a member of the ruling National Democratic Party's policies committee. The rest also worked for the Culture Ministry. The official said the men were responsible for the running of the overall administration of state-run theatres throughout the country. Culture Minister Farouk Hosni offered his resignation following the Sept. 5 fire in the provincial town of Beni Suef, 100 km (60 miles) south of Cairo, but was asked to stay by the prime minister on the president's instructions. Artists and intellectuals had demanded Hosni's resignation following the fire, which started in the theatre owned by the Culture Ministry when a candle being used as a prop fell over. Bill C. ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com ('Bill Conner') Subject: RE: Beni Suef theatre fire Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:17:26 -0600 Message-ID: <00ac01c680f0$a4d051a0$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Yep that is in my file. I have done only one case in Cairo, and that was the International Hotel. Public Assembly incident: three Americans murdered in the lobby. Security et al. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conner Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:14 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Beni Suef theatre fire For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- from Reuters: CAIRO - An Egyptian court sentenced eight government employees, including the head of a cultural body, to 10 years in jail each on Monday for negligence over a theatre fire last year that killed 46 people, a judicial official said. The official said that Mostafa Elwy, head of the authority for cultural centres who was among those convicted, was also a member of the ruling National Democratic Party's policies committee. The rest also worked for the Culture Ministry. The official said the men were responsible for the running of the overall administration of state-run theatres throughout the country. Culture Minister Farouk Hosni offered his resignation following the Sept. 5 fire in the provincial town of Beni Suef, 100 km (60 miles) south of Cairo, but was asked to stay by the prime minister on the president's instructions. Artists and intellectuals had demanded Hosni's resignation following the fire, which started in the theatre owned by the Culture Ministry when a candle being used as a prop fell over. Bill C. ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Lightning bolt effect Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:19:59 -0600 Message-ID: <00ad01c680f1$00024420$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Worked with a Hollywood group and the Denver Hockey Team, Avalanchers with a large Tesla coil ..... used in films .... the lightning bolt .... egads .... hundreds of feet and whamo. Maybe too much for this gig. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:38 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On May 26, 2006, at 8:32 AM, Clive Mitchell wrote: > However, if you really want it to look tame then you could get > creative with a lightning gobo, flash tube behind the TV. Fierce > sound effects and a quick squirt of smoke. Depending on lighting, you could release some haze into the area of the lighting just before the effect, then fire a focused strobe up through the haze. The area would have to be dark enough before the bolt so people didn't see the haze, you could bring up a light on the haze after the bolt for the lingering smoke. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060526112748.00d4a2e8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:27:48 From: CB Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! >In principle, yes. But who can define 'proper compensation', and how? When you look out at the parking lot during tech week, and there is an easily discernable delineation betweenteh guys that actually do stuff to make a show go up and the managerial, bean-counter, and paper-pusher types, its easy to see what improper compensation is. Richard may disagree, but those that make the money and those that make the show ought to be the same people, at least to some degree. While it may not be the case in Waco (I'm guessing 25K and bennies isn't really too bad in Central Texas) greed plays a huge part in why technicians don't make a lot of money. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060526113103.00d4a2e8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:31:03 From: CB Subject: Re: lighting clamps >The size of 1 29/32" just happens to be the Outside Diameter of 1 >1/2" water/gas pipe. I knew all this, it just made me grin to see it written. I'm really sorry that you can't share the joy (although I did see a bit of a smiley on the tail of that first sentence!) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Waco theater needs TD, now! Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:28:19 -0600 Message-ID: <00b401c680f2$29e6cb70$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Chris: what a wonderful reply. No wonder I like you. Dr. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:28 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >In principle, yes. But who can define 'proper compensation', and how? When you look out at the parking lot during tech week, and there is an easily discernable delineation betweenteh guys that actually do stuff to make a show go up and the managerial, bean-counter, and paper-pusher types, its easy to see what improper compensation is. Richard may disagree, but those that make the money and those that make the show ought to be the same people, at least to some degree. While it may not be the case in Waco (I'm guessing 25K and bennies isn't really too bad in Central Texas) greed plays a huge part in why technicians don't make a lot of money. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060526113641.00d5e8c8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:36:41 From: CB Subject: Re: PC/VGA to TV >But not certainly. Timing errors among the signals may well wreck a picture. If I were to cut 33 cables for the same run, I could get at least five of them to take an RGBHV signal from one end to another without degrading timing enough to cause a problem on a 9x12 screen. I'm guessing that the odds of getting usable cabling out of 33 is really high, and gear is far less sensitive to timing issues than it was when TV was made with bear skins and stone knives. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060526113712.00d46788 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:37:12 From: CB Subject: Re: Taiko Drums >Still don't get trying to quiet down the drums. It isn't really trying to quiet down the drums, its more like trying to justify the practice of keeping the audience safe by insuring that the sound doesn't get to levels that could possibly cause hearing damage while simultaneously booking an act that violates that preset level with no (apparent) means of turning down. Turning down the drums is one solution, but not too many people have suggested that route in any sort of seriousness. I maintain that the levels that he's seeing are the high points, and don't qualify for the restrictions that OSHA suggests, others have suggested that signage and teh availability of earplugs might be a solution. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Codes & Standards (was Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:31:24 -0600 Message-ID: <00c001c680f2$998ec770$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Reminds me of the meetings at Paramount, Mitch. Keep pitching. Dr. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Mitch Hefter Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:59 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Codes & Standards (was Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Greg Persinger wrote: > >In the same spirit as your post, don't you think it is kind of silly for a >bunch of safety experts to sit around and dream up the next catastrophe you >need to save us from, figure out how to keep us from that catastrophe, not >freely distribute the information, call us idiots when the catastrophe >happens and people are killed, and be the first ones to jump up and down >screaming that your safety policies were not followed while testifying >against us when we are placed on trial. How do you expect us to follow the >rules if we don't know what the rules are. If you are in the business, you need to know the rules. That's part of the commitment we all make. Most Codes and Standards are not put together by a bunch of safety experts sitting around and dreaming up the next catastrophe. For example, one area I know a bit about - the NEC. Here are some of the changes that have occurred over the past 25 years: -Types G, SC, SCE, SCT, W cables were added. Prior to 1987, there was no viable way to use single-conductor cables - welding cable was never allowed under the Code for power distribution, even though widely used. -Commentary was added to Article 520 so feeders would be properly calculated allowing for reasonable feeder size on dimmer per circuit systems. -Rules and requirements were developed for single-conductor power feeders and single-pole connectors (prior to 1987, there was nothing in the Code that permitted this). -Table 520.44 was added so borderlight cables could be sized so that they were riggable. -Wording was added to Article 518 to make the stage and audience area fall under Article 520. -Article 525 (Carnivals) was introduced, and titles and scopes were changed so outdoor concerts are not considered circuses - in the literal sense. -Lighter duty cable is now allowed in special situations (e.g., two-fers and break-outs can use SJ cable under certain conditions). More on this in an upcoming article in Protocol, the ESTA Journal. Was this done by a bunch of safety experts sitting around in a room? Yes, but with a lot of input from the public - manufacturers, users, building officials, and even a gentleman from Arnie's Bait & Tackle. And before it became final, the public had a chance to review and comment of the proposed changes. > > >With all due respect for you and all the other fine folks on this list that >are involved in codes and standards organizations, my hats off to you and >your efforts. I do appreciate what you do. However safety in our industry >comes down to the people making good choices Absolutely. >and I just don't understand why >the people making the rules don't want to figure out how to make it easy for >people to use the compiled information to follow the best practices you work >so hard to define. As I said earlier, if you are in the business, you need to know the rules. Instinct may not always be right. Code books and Standards may not be pocket change, but they sure are a lot cheaper than my college text books. They should be considered part of your tools just as your wrench and screwdriver. And as others have noted, there are usually options for getting the information. > Best Regards, . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter Member NEC Panel 15 & ESTA Technical Standards Committee Office: Entertainment Technology, a Genlyte Company mhefter [at] genlytecontrols.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 http://www.etdimming.com :: http://www.vari-lite.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:33:27 -0600 Message-ID: <00c201c680f2$e22786c0$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Yes. And did Muncie get my new book, Curtis? Just inquiring amidst the Memorial Day onslaught. Me, I stay home, write. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Curtis L. Mortimore Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:45 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > submit to a suitable drill bit. ...saw, grinder, cold chisel, sledgehammer, gun, bomb.... ;) -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 > From: Jim Hyslop > Organization: Dreampossible Inc. > Reply-To: Stagecraft > Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:37:54 -0400 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Fire Curtain Rules & Exceptions > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Lightning bolt effect Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:43:23 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C89 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net > Worked with a Hollywood group and the Denver Hockey Team,=20 > Avalanchers with a large Tesla coil ..... used in films ....=20 > the lightning bolt .... egads .... hundreds of feet and=20 > whamo. Maybe too much for this gig. Doom=20 Gee, if a hockey team were to try to pull this gag, I'd have expected it to be the Tampa Bay Lightning...but I guess the Avalanche figured that thousands of tons of snow woulda been too much for the zambonis to plow outta the way for the game. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:00:21 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Taiko Drums In-reply-to: Message-id: <44775045.9070908 [at] ithaca.edu> References: CB wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Yahbut, more often than not it really *is* the movers. On a tour about an > Egyptian woman (Hey Kramer, Kara says. "Hi!") without elephants once we had > a mover that actuallyput out 1K tone. I argued with the LD at length, and > even the A1 told me I was hearing something else in the building. At the > second venue, I suggested that it must be our gear, or the second venue had > an identical fault in the identical kit. I had been pointing at one mover > the entire time, and sure enough, when we brought the electric in, everyone > could hear it. Not like they changed anything, though... No argument about it usually being the lights. Our FOH spots are Lycian 1272s. The fans put out a very strong 1k tone. That was why no one could hear the Juliats. Some day we'll have the money to enclose the spot booths so no one will hear the tone except the operators. Of course, in the past few years I've noticed that the little glowy indicators shining through a blackout can be traced to speakers as much as they can to lights. Steve L -- Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Theatre Arts 607.274.3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:01:32 -0400 Message-Id: <8C84F0DEFF86716-11E8-32 [at] mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> From: iaeg [at] aol.com References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect WELLLLLLLLL, funny you should mention that, when the Lightning first came about I proposed a very theatrical opening sequence for their games. for proprietary reasons, don't really want to go into all the details here, but it didn't go so far as to include a Tesla coil but it would have been specatacular and repeatable game after game. the ownership of the team then ( japanese absentee owners ) weren't about to spend a penny that they didn't have to. the current owners ( same guy who owns the PISTONS ) are happy with what they are doing now (which is "ok" buy by my standards a bit lame ) as a side bar..... Tampa Bay Bucs,. ,. . laughing stock of the NFL for years under original ownership get new owners and win the Super bowl Tampa Bay Lightning , , laughing stock of the NHL for years under original and subsequent under funded owners, get new, competent owners and win the Stanley Cup Tampa Bay Devil Rays, , , laughing stock of MLB for years under original ( and reprehensible! ) original owners, , now have new ownership, , , , , , soooooooo,,,,,, (fyi, , , Scott Kazmir, who pitches tonight against the Red Sox , , is second in wins since last years all star break and is only 22, , Carl Crawford leads the AL in stolen bases, , Johnny Gomes is second in the AL in Home Runs, , , , so who knows ? ) but very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schreiner To: Stagecraft Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Sent: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:43:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Worked with a Hollywood group and the Denver Hockey Team, > Avalanchers with a large Tesla coil ..... used in films .... > the lightning bolt .... egads .... hundreds of feet and > whamo. Maybe too much for this gig. Doom Gee, if a hockey team were to try to pull this gag, I'd have expected it to be the Tampa Bay Lightning...but I guess the Avalanche figured that thousands of tons of snow woulda been too much for the zambonis to plow outta the way for the game. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9C8B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Tampa Bay Bucs,. ,. . laughing stock of the NFL for years under=20 > original ownership > get new owners and win the Super bowl Speaking of the laughing-stock era, check out http://tinyurl.com/rjfru and scroll down about 2/3 of the way for a collection of old Bucs coach John McKay's best quotes. > Tampa Bay Lightning , , laughing stock of the NHL for years under=20 > original and subsequent under funded owners, > get new, competent owners and win the Stanley Cup I'd mention another team still in the playoffs with a relatively new owner who saved the franchise from bankruptcy, but I don't wanna jinx 'em. > (fyi, , , Scott Kazmir, who pitches tonight against the Red=20 > Sox , , is=20 > second in wins since last years all star break and is only=20 > 22, , Carl=20 > Crawford leads > the AL in stolen bases, , Johnny Gomes is second in the AL in Home=20 > Runs, , , , so who knows ? ) ...and if Upton lives up to the hype, the Rays should be a decent team for quite some time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:38:12 -0400 Message-Id: <8C84F130F1D3B1C-11E8-349 [at] mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> From: iaeg [at] aol.com References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) he's not a sure thing, , , has more throwing errors SS to 1st than any other AAA SS. that's ain't going to cut it in the majors, ,. especially with the strong Julio Lugo already at SS for the D Rays... very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schreiner To: Stagecraft Sent: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:14:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Tampa Bay Bucs,. ,. . laughing stock of the NFL for years under > original ownership > get new owners and win the Super bowl Speaking of the laughing-stock era, check out http://tinyurl.com/rjfru and scroll down about 2/3 of the way for a collection of old Bucs coach John McKay's best quotes. > Tampa Bay Lightning , , laughing stock of the NHL for years under > original and subsequent under funded owners, > get new, competent owners and win the Stanley Cup I'd mention another team still in the playoffs with a relatively new owner who saved the franchise from bankruptcy, but I don't wanna jinx 'em. > (fyi, , , Scott Kazmir, who pitches tonight against the Red > Sox , , is > second in wins since last years all star break and is only > 22, , Carl > Crawford leads > the AL in stolen bases, , Johnny Gomes is second in the AL in Home > Runs, , , , so who knows ? ) ...and if Upton lives up to the hype, the Rays should be a decent team for quite some time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:38:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8C84F130E3D1E10-11E8-348 [at] mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> From: iaeg [at] aol.com References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) he's not a sure thing, , , has more throwing errors SS to 1st than any other AAA SS. that's ain't going to cut it in the majors, ,. especially with the strong Julio Lugo already at SS for the D Rays... very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schreiner To: Stagecraft Sent: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:14:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Tampa Bay Bucs,. ,. . laughing stock of the NFL for years under > original ownership > get new owners and win the Super bowl Speaking of the laughing-stock era, check out http://tinyurl.com/rjfru and scroll down about 2/3 of the way for a collection of old Bucs coach John McKay's best quotes. > Tampa Bay Lightning , , laughing stock of the NHL for years under > original and subsequent under funded owners, > get new, competent owners and win the Stanley Cup I'd mention another team still in the playoffs with a relatively new owner who saved the franchise from bankruptcy, but I don't wanna jinx 'em. > (fyi, , , Scott Kazmir, who pitches tonight against the Red > Sox , , is > second in wins since last years all star break and is only > 22, , Carl > Crawford leads > the AL in stolen bases, , Johnny Gomes is second in the AL in Home > Runs, , , , so who knows ? ) ...and if Upton lives up to the hype, the Rays should be a decent team for quite some time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:43:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Speaking of Gomes, had the pleasure of watching him hit many over the green monster in Durham. Now the biggest excitement at a Bulls' game is "who's going to be suspended next"? Steve > From: iaeg [at] aol.com > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:38:12 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > he's not a sure thing, , , has more throwing errors SS to 1st than any > other AAA SS. > > that's ain't going to cut it in the majors, ,. especially with the > strong Julio Lugo already at SS for the D Rays... > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault > International Arts & Entertainment Group > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Schreiner > To: Stagecraft > Sent: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:14:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect (now way OT) > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Tampa Bay Bucs,. ,. . laughing stock of the NFL for years under >> original ownership >> get new owners and win the Super bowl > > Speaking of the laughing-stock era, check out http://tinyurl.com/rjfru > and scroll down about 2/3 of the way for a collection of old Bucs coach > John McKay's best quotes. > >> Tampa Bay Lightning , , laughing stock of the NHL for years under >> original and subsequent under funded owners, >> get new, competent owners and win the Stanley Cup > > I'd mention another team still in the playoffs with a relatively new > owner who saved the franchise from bankruptcy, but I don't wanna jinx > 'em. > >> (fyi, , , Scott Kazmir, who pitches tonight against the Red >> Sox , , is >> second in wins since last years all star break and is only >> 22, , Carl >> Crawford leads >> the AL in stolen bases, , Johnny Gomes is second in the AL in Home >> Runs, , , , so who knows ? ) > > ...and if Upton lives up to the hype, the Rays should be a decent team > for quite some time. > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "chip.a.wood" Subject: RE: Taiko Drums Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:55:28 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: However, if you don't want par-boiled spot ops, you will have to use noisy A/C to cool the booth down. You lighting guys just can't stand silent photons. At least the glowy red indictors on the speakers are quiet and can be covered, if it is a REAL problem, with gaff tape or disconnected. Chip > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Stephen > Litterst Some day we'll have the money to enclose the > spot booths so no one will hear the tone except the operators. ------------------------------ Subject: Sennheiser Infrared Emitters Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:51:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Lon Butcher" Greetings to The List, Coming out of lurk mode with a question about our Listen Assist Emitters. We have a set of 4 Sennheiser SZI 1029 emitters. They seem to be working fine except for one confusing and somewhat irritating quirk, they seem to take a very long time to "warm up". I've looked at the manual and there's no mention I can find about a warm up time. It says that they should begin emitting as soon as they get signal. But they take up to 45 minutes after turning on the amp in the system to begin functioning. The system is fed by two Audio Technica AT835R's into a TOA 900 Series II amp then out to the emitters. There is AC power to the Emitters all the time. The only thing that gets shut down is the amp. I'd love to hear opinions from the list regarding whether this is normal or if I should start investigating more deeply. Thanks in advance for the help Regards, Lon P.S. I'm a digester so please forgive any time lapse in my response to possible questions. Lon Butcher Performance Technician Western Washington University ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:13:00 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Sennheiser Infrared Emitters References: In-Reply-To: In message , Lon Butcher writes >Coming out of lurk mode with a question about our Listen Assist >Emitters. We have a set of 4 Sennheiser SZI 1029 emitters. They seem >to be working fine except for one confusing and somewhat irritating >quirk, they seem to take a very long time to "warm up". I've looked at >the manual and there's no mention I can find about a warm up time. It >says that they should begin emitting as soon as they get signal. But >they take up to 45 minutes after turning on the amp in the system to >begin functioning. > >The system is fed by two Audio Technica AT835R's into a TOA 900 Series >II amp then out to the emitters. There is AC power to the Emitters all >the time. The only thing that gets shut down is the amp. There's no warm up time on the infra red panels. There must be a temperature or other issue with another part of the equipment. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980605261632l2eb016acr52942543a0f33f46 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:32:49 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Waco theater needs TD, now! In-Reply-To: References: Just a short additional note to this thread. A few years ago, a report was made about the top 5 paid employees at the Metropolitan Opera. Three of the five were stage technicians. Albeit, after massive overtime and other scenarios of negotiated compensati= on. As for this particular theater... The payroll for 2004 was around $100k for the year. The Executive director was paid less then they are offering for this TD position (two years ago.) Yes, I had the first crack at the salary amount, but they are doing what they can. If anyone is interested in finding out this kind of information, go to www.guidestar.org and look up any non-profit company's tax forms. It's all public. --=20 Thanks and take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <447797EE.1080001 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:06:06 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect References: In-Reply-To: iaeg [at] aol.com wrote: > Gee, if a hockey team were to try to pull this gag, I'd have expected it > to be the Tampa Bay Lightning...but I guess the Avalanche figured that > thousands of tons of snow woulda been too much for the zambonis to plow > outta the way for the game. If you come to Boston, and want to see some lightning, take the time to visit the Boston Museum of Science. Over at the end of the building is the Theatre of Electricity.... Featured performer is the worlds largest (Well, it was the worlds largest when it was obtained from the DoE as surplus property) Tesla coil. It throws bolts about twenty feet before they ground out on the Faraday cage around it. Performances every two hours, bring earplugs. --Dale ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Lightning bolt effect Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:09:20 -0600 Message-ID: <000a01c68121$cdffb8f0$c083c447 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: You aint seen nothing yet until you see the ones they use in special effects in the movies .... whammo. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Dale Farmer Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 6:06 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- iaeg [at] aol.com wrote: > Gee, if a hockey team were to try to pull this gag, I'd have expected it > to be the Tampa Bay Lightning...but I guess the Avalanche figured that > thousands of tons of snow woulda been too much for the zambonis to plow > outta the way for the game. If you come to Boston, and want to see some lightning, take the time to visit the Boston Museum of Science. Over at the end of the building is the Theatre of Electricity.... Featured performer is the worlds largest (Well, it was the worlds largest when it was obtained from the DoE as surplus property) Tesla coil. It throws bolts about twenty feet before they ground out on the Faraday cage around it. Performances every two hours, bring earplugs. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:10:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Taiko Drums From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Chris, It sounds like (yes pun intended) a High End Systems Studio Spot or Color. I have had them do this many times as the power supplies begin to age. Of course the audio guys wanted them changed out. I tell them if they can't get the mix over the the lights then we have bigger problems then a whining moving light. This was on an arena rock and roll tour I might add. It would be different if we were doing theater. Greg Persinger on 5/26/06 11:08 AM, CB at psyd [at] cox.net wrote: > Yahbut, more often than not it really *is* the movers. On a tour about an > Egyptian woman (Hey Kramer, Kara says. "Hi!") without elephants once we had > a mover that actuallyput out 1K tone. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4477B3D7.1000700 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:05:11 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect References: In-Reply-To: RD wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > You aint seen nothing yet until you see the ones they use in special effects > in the movies .... whammo. Doom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Dale Farmer > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 6:06 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > iaeg [at] aol.com wrote: > >> Gee, if a hockey team were to try to pull this gag, I'd have expected it >> to be the Tampa Bay Lightning...but I guess the Avalanche figured that >> thousands of tons of snow woulda been too much for the zambonis to plow >> outta the way for the game. > > If you come to Boston, and want to see some lightning, take the time > to visit the Boston Museum of Science. Over at the end of the building > is the Theatre of Electricity.... Featured performer is the worlds > largest (Well, it was the worlds largest when it was obtained from the > DoE as surplus property) Tesla coil. It throws bolts about twenty feet > before they ground out on the Faraday cage around it. Performances > every two hours, bring earplugs. > > --Dale > > > > The one in Boston is three stories tall. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Subject: G-Lec Lightframes Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:07:43 -0400 Does anybody know if Scharff-Weisberg's G-Lec Lightframes are manufactured by them, or if they're manufactured by someone else FOR Scharff-Weisberg. And if someone else...who? Cris Dopher ------------------------------ From: "herrick" Cc: brooklyn [at] dopher.com Subject: Re: G-Lec Lightframes Message-ID: Date: 26 May 2006 19:01:28 -0700 I Believe they are made to spec by glec for scharff Sent from my cell phone HGLD 917-797-3624 --Original Message Included From: " " To: "Stagecraft" Cc: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:07:43 -0400 Subject: G-Lec Lightframes For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Does anybody know if Scharff-Weisberg's G-Lec Lightframes are manufactured by them, or if they're manufactured by someone else FOR Scharff-Weisberg. And if someone else...who? Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Message-ID: <51530.72.43.27.226.1148699563.squirrel [at] webmail.logicworks.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 23:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Why am I and My ME not dead?! From: "Diana Kesselschmidt" Reply-To: dk [at] dianak.com Yesterday my ME and I were troubleshooting the rig we'd just hung and discovered that 2/3 of the first rack wasn't turning on. I sugested we step through all the logical tests. In order to diagnose, I had to lay on the pack to see over to the other side. My ME and I had our hands on the cold metal frame over and over again before we eventually detached it from the wall to open it up. Reminder: cold METAL frame. These are somewhat older dimmers from ETC. They do not have a plastic housing. When he opened the housing up he discovered that: when the theatre that had rented the pack for a season had swaped back from cams, they had not connected two hot legs well and they were casually laying against the housing. WHY ARE WE NOT DEAD? -and more importantly why didn't any breakers trip? Does this mean that there is a God? -- Diana Kesselschmidt Lighting Designer 516-643-3185 fax: 413-513-6115 DianaK.com ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <440.2085ec6.31a92cbe [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:17:02 EDT Subject: Re: Why am I and My ME not dead?! In a message dated 5/26/2006 10:43:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dk [at] dianak.com writes: >2/3 of the first rack wasn't turning on... >...hands on the cold metal frame... >...two hot legs...casually laying against the housing... >Does this mean that there is a God? Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Need more information to really discern what the mitigating factors might have been. Electrical switchboards (i.e. dimmers) should be dead front by design so as to give some protection from a hot to case short. Which model of ETC dimmer (or if really older was it the LMI product line)? Touring rack, portable rack, or install rack attached to wall? What is the condition of internal and external surface coatings? Did you make contact with any other metal at the same time as the housing? Were you wearing non-synthetic clothing that covered the majority of skin surface area? Were your hands cool and dry or hot and moist? What loads were connected to the dimmers? Was the control module on? Dimmer breakers on? Did you discover anything else during troubleshooting that might have contributed to a reduced current demand? Perhaps there was a high enough impedance at the points of contact to limit the current. Were any of the wires at all warm? Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1119.205.215.253.196.1148713597.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Taiko Drums From: "Bill Nelson" > However, if you don't want par-boiled spot ops, you will have to use noisy > A/C to cool the booth down. You lighting guys just can't stand silent > photons. At least the glowy red indictors on the speakers are quiet and > can be covered, if it is a REAL problem, with gaff tape or disconnected. Nah! Just call it a dry sauna and tell the ops to wear bathing suits. SOME lighting guys may not care about noisy instruments. Don't paint us all with the same broad brush. I dislike ANY sound from my lights - even quiet fan noises from scrollers. But sometimes we have to live with the noise. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1123.205.215.253.196.1148714021.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Sennheiser Infrared Emitters From: "Bill Nelson" >>The system is fed by two Audio Technica AT835R's into a TOA 900 Series >>II amp then out to the emitters. There is AC power to the Emitters all >>the time. The only thing that gets shut down is the amp. > > There's no warm up time on the infra red panels. There must be a > temperature or other issue with another part of the equipment. Or, the system (non Senheiser) may be like the one at the local theatre. If the incoming signal is too low, the emitter head shuts down. Once a high enough level is detected, the head stays on for several minutes - even if the sound level drops down again. The head has two red leds. One comes on if the head has power. The other comes on when the head is active. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1151.205.215.253.196.1148715160.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Sennheiser Infrared Emitters From: "Bill Nelson" > There's no warm up time on the infra red panels. There must be a > temperature or other issue with another part of the equipment. I just took a look at the Sennheiser web page. The panels require at least 50 mV of rf or they will go into standby. There are two leds on the front, a red one and a green one. If power is on and no rf is being received, then the red led will be lit. When at least 50 mV or rf is input, the red will go out and the green led will come on. If both leds are lit, then there is a problem with the head. I don't know if there is a delay before shutdown when rf drops below the minimum or not. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <5fI7VwBxaAeEFwcl [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:58:41 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Why am I and My ME not dead?! References: In-Reply-To: In message , Diana Kesselschmidt writes >Yesterday my ME and I were troubleshooting the rig we'd just hung and >discovered that 2/3 of the first rack wasn't turning on. I sugested we >step through all the logical tests. In order to diagnose, I had to lay >on the pack to see over to the other side. My ME and I had our hands >on the cold metal frame over and over again before we eventually >detached it from the wall to open it up. Reminder: cold METAL frame. >These are somewhat older dimmers from ETC. They do not have a plastic >housing. When he opened the housing up he discovered that: when the >theatre that had rented the pack for a season had swaped back from >cams, they had not connected two hot legs well and they were casually >laying against the housing. WHY ARE WE NOT DEAD? -and more importantly >why didn't any breakers trip? Does this mean that there is a God? Hopefully the racks were earthed. Even if a wire is laying against the side of the case it doesn't mean the copper at the end is making contact. The insulation might be raising the copper off the case by a whisker or the case may be painted? Paint is generally an insulator even if a somewhat dodgy one. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <5$K79AB7WAeEFwep [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:54:35 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect References: In-Reply-To: In message , RD writes >You aint seen nothing yet until you see the ones they use in special >effects in the movies .... whammo. Doom These do tend to be computer generated FX though. http://www.teslacoil.com Have them installed in night clubs blasting onto the truss from above. I wonder if there are ant problems with DMX or integrity of the electronics in the moving lights. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1379.205.215.253.196.1148722001.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 02:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Lightning bolt effect From: "Bill Nelson" > http://www.teslacoil.com > > Have them installed in night clubs blasting onto the truss from above. > I wonder if there are ant problems with DMX or integrity of the > electronics in the moving lights. There is a lot of hype on their pages. They should talk about the current in their discharges, not the voltage. I designed and built a Tesla coil with a theoretical 20,000,000 volt discharge, way back in 1964. However, the current was minute. I started with 20,000 volts at 50 mA and, after the 1000:1 air core transformer step-up, the current would have been 50 uA. I managed to generate 3+ foot long discharges before my glass capacitor bank punctured while I was still trying to tune it for maximum performance. It did get me an A for my high school physics project. What they have managed, and I would like to read how they do it, is to control the bandwidth of the discharge. My coil was a broadband radiator, causing interfering static on just about every electronic device. Apparently theirs do not interfere with moving lights - I don't know about wireless DMX. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #823 *****************************