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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #736

 1. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 2. Re: Interesting (dream) Job Posting
    by Dave Marks <dave.marks [at] insightbb.com>
 3. Re: Interesting (dream) Job Posting
    by "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
 4. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
 5. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 6. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
 7. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 8. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
 9. Re: Conversion tables (was: Re: Article of fall protection)
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
10. Re: tricking directors
    by <productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org>
11. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
12. Re: Firearms Regulations
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
13. Re: tricking directors
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
14. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
15. Play Flap
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
16. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
17. Re: tricking directors
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
18. D.C. Fan Motor
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
19. Re: D.C. Fan Motor
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
20. Re: Firearms Regulations
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
21. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
22. Re: WAS Re: Article of fall protection NOW Weather
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
23. Re: Play Flap
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
24. Re: D.C. Fan Motor
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
25. Re: Interesting (dream) Job Posting
    by Greg Persinger <greg [at] vividillumination.com>
26. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
27. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
28. Re: tricking directors
    by "Mat Goebel" <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
29. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
30. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
31. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
32. Re: Firearms Regulations
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
33. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
34. Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
35. Re: Electricians needed-last minute call
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
36. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
37. Re: WAS Re: Article of fall protection NOW Weather
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
38. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
39. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
40. Re: micromanaging directors
    by "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
41. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
42. Re: Firearms Regulations
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
43. Source 4 maintenance
    by "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
44. USITT Stagecraft gathering??
    by "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
45. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
46. Re: Technical Timeline
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
47. Re: Firearms Regulations
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
48. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
49. Re: SCR effects on Incoming voltage?
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
50. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
51. Re: Construction of Stage Flats
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
52. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
53. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
54. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
55. Re: Interesting (dream) Job Posting
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
56. Re: WAS Re: Article of fall protection NOW Weather
    by Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
57. Re: MO drama teacher resigns in play flap
    by Norman Lazarus <normanlazarus [at] yahoo.com>
58. USITT return trip?
    by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
59. Entertainment Industry Drafting Survey
    by "Dennis Dorn" <dldorn [at] wisc.edu>

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 06:19:58 -0500
Message-ID: <000d01c64b47$0efcfd60$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-28611252 [at] prxy.net>



> It is not that they are so opposed to the arts or the subject=20
> matter in any of the plays mentioned, but instead are very=20
> dedicated to the innocence of their children and would rather=20
> see a milder subject matter for the high school students to present.

...And what happens to these kids when they attain their majority and go =
out
into the world unprepared for what it really is?


> Yes the town is intolerant as it was unwilling to endure=20
> plays that went against their values, which is their right,=20
> but the drama teacher is just as intolerant pushing her=20
> "artistic" choices as she was unwilling to choose different=20
> material that would be better accepted by the community.

Excuse me?  The play that was cancelled was "The Crucible" -- one of the
greatest works of a Pulitzer-winning playwright.  It's not as if she =
were
producing "The Beard".

Mind you, I can see where some conservatives, after 8 years in which "I
don't like him" was raised to the status of "high crimes and =
misdemeanors",
might be discomfited by a play which condemns witch hunts....


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Message-ID: <441D4347.5050205 [at] insightbb.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 05:40:55 -0600
From: Dave Marks <dave.marks [at] insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Interesting (dream) Job Posting
References: <list-28613426 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-28613426 [at] prxy.net>

Ben Blackburn wrote:
> You will
> be in charge. No one will tell you what to do or challenge your ideas.
> Instead, you will tell the staff and worship team what they need to
> do, where they need to stand, what microphones they will use and more.
>   


Oh my.  I work in a church, and while it's a great place, and we just 
did an $120,000 Meyers/Yamaha installation,
EVERYONE challenges the sound guys! Not quite so much since the new 
system however.......

Dave Marks, media director
Northwoods Community Church
Peoria, IL


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Message-ID: <BAY112-F1531080241A9D4C7074ED8DADA0 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-28613426 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Interesting (dream) Job Posting
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:22:05 -0500

>Instead, you will tell the staff and worship team what they need to do

I'd certainly like to have a staff and worship team on every gig.  I know 
most directors do.  ;)


Matthew Breton
Technical Director
Cambridge Family YMCA Theater
(617) 447-5261 (cell)
www.cambymca.org

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Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20060319084946.02b4ac78 [at] pop.lightlink.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:03:46 -0500
From: John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
In-Reply-To: <list-28611252 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-28594949 [at] prxy.net>

At 01:23 AM 3/19/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>Essentially the people of the area fought against "artistic freedom" to
>protect their freedom to raise their children in the best manner they see
>fit. Artistic freedom lost as it was a lower priority for the people of the
>area. Is this so terrible?

IMO, yes!  Not that I espouse the notion of performing any kind of play, 
whatever its language or content, simply for the sake of "artistic 
freedom," but banning A Midsummer Night's Dream?"  Where else will humans 
learn their history and their cultures--no, excuse me, histories and 
cultures (plural) if not during their formative years in the educational 
system?  For probably 99% of humans, the times when laws compel them to 
study and learn are really the only times in their lives when they will 
seriously pay attention to such things.  For most people, the post-school 
life is concerned with day-to-day matters--making a living, finding a mate, 
dealing with a mate, raising kids, handling life problems that come randomly.

The word for the attitudes in expressed in the beginning of this thread is, 
I think, parochialism.  At a time when the nation is more polarized than 
it's been in a long time, the temptation to circle the wagons and burn 
books that don't agree with a particular point of view is not helpful to 
the national interest.  A lot of science fiction writers have drawn word 
pictures of a North America factionalized into regional enclaves that 
secede from the country, usually because of closely held belief that is so 
rigorously defended as to engender a totalitarian state, threatening armed 
reprisal against any group--internal or external--that does not agree with 
the ruling point of view.

Greg, however much you may sympathize with the people of Fulton, and 
however much you may rationalize their concerns, I would still submit that 
this kind of over-zealous protection of youth is not good for the kids and 
not good for the country.


-- JLB 


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:39:34 -0500
Message-ID: <001201c64b62$f12a7e90$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-28619800 [at] prxy.net>


> Essentially the people of the area fought against "artistic 
> freedom" to 
> protect their freedom to raise their children in the best 
> manner they 
> see fit. Artistic freedom lost as it was a lower priority for the 
> people of the area. Is this so terrible?

When "the way they see fit" is to teach their children to be afraid of
ideas?  You bet.


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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060319082927.02231678 [at] earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:32:03 -0700
From: Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
Subject: re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap

This article talks about a bill which thank goodness was defeated 
here in Arizona.   Food for thought.

Robbie Sherwood
The Arizona Republic

Mar. 10, 2006 12:00 AM


The Senate rejected a bill Thursday that would have allowed 
university and community college students to refuse assignments that 
they found offensive on religious or moral grounds.

Senate Bill 1331, introduced by Gilbert Republican Sen. Thayer 
Verschoor, failed by a vote of 17-12. That means students will not 
have an alternative to reading or watching important but 
controversial works of film and literature such as Schindler's List, 
The Invisible Man or The Color Purple.

But that is because there is no alternative to those great works and 
their lessons, said Sen. Jim Waring, R-Phoenix, who led an 
impassioned floor fight against the bill. Waring held up a copy of 
Ralph Ellison's groundbreaking novel The Invisible Man, which is 
still opening eyes to the pain of racism more than 50 years after its 
publication. The book contains a graphic eight-page depiction of 
incest. advertisement




"This book changed a lot of minds," Waring said. "If this policy was 
in place in the 1950s and '60s, and students didn't want to treat 
Blacks as equals, they would have an out. They wouldn't have to read it."

Verschoor said none of those books or movies would have been banned 
from the classroom. And he was prepared to water down his bill to 
allow students only to object to material deemed "patently offensive" 
under the law and not on religious grounds.

"We're not banning the professor from using that material in their 
class," Verschoor argued. "We're not banning that professor from the 
college. We're just saying an adult student has the right of their 
conscience to object rather than subject themselves to that material."

But again, critics of the bill brought up great works of literature 
that are still fighting censorship. Sen. Carolyn Allen used the 
example of Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, widely 
considered among the greatest American novels, but the subject of 
recent censorship debates because of the language it uses to depict Blacks.

"(Twain) was making a point about the South and about discrimination, 
about the treatment of people of color," said Allen, R-Scottsdale. 
"That book has been banned because some people were patently 
offended. I can find something patently offensive in a heck of a lot 
of things. Does that means students in college should not be exposed 
to what the world is?"

Verschoor and a pair of East Valley House members took on the issue 
after a Chandler-Gilbert Community College student complained that 
one of the books required for a class, The Ice Storm, offended him 
because of its sexual content. The student filed a grievance with the 
school, but the school denied it and offered him another class. The 
student refused and approached Verschoor about changing the law.

To demonstrate his objection to the bill, Waring also produced an 
e-mail from an Arizona State University student sent earlier this 
month to an instructor of a film class on Steven Spielberg. The 
student asked for an alternate assignment to watching the director's 
Oscar-winning Holocaust drama Schindler's List. The class also showed 
the R-rated World War II film Saving Private Ryan.

"I came to class yesterday but left early because I do not watch 
R-rated movies," the unidentified student wrote. "This being the 
case, I was wondering if you had some sort of alternative assignment 
that you would like me to do instead of the Schindler's List journal."

ASU officials reminded the student that the course syllabus warned 
that the films in the class might contain language that is considered 
obscene and denied the request.

"It begs the question why you'd sign up for a class on Spielberg if 
you don't want to watch Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan," Waring said.

Jerry Gorrell





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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:43:17 -0500
Message-ID: <001301c64b6b$d7926fc0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-28621186 [at] prxy.net>



> "It begs the question why you'd sign up for a class on Spielberg if 
> you don't want to watch Schindler's List or Saving Private 
> Ryan," Waring said.

My bet: Because they *wanted* to be offended, so they could walk out.


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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:04:00 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
In-reply-to: <list-28611252 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <5C9006E3-0162-4404-B619-E48F82C821B0 [at] klad.com>
References: <list-28594949 [at] prxy.net> <list-28611252 [at] prxy.net>


no, the teacher needs to be a in a different place.

When we initially read of this story in "The New York Times," my wife =20=

and I both commented that the teacher needed to be teaching in a =20
different place and wondered why (family, finances, history,etc) she =20
would not up and leave. In this case, the school board pushed her. =20
Probably the best thing they could have done for her, although it =20
will be some years before she can see the favor.

I am sure, given her reputation, she will have no problem finding a =20
job. In fact, I am sure that many jobs are being offered to her.





On Mar 19, 2006, at 2:23 AM, Greg Persinger wrote:

> It's too bad that this teacher got hung up on what she couldn't do =20
> instead
> of thinking that the show must go on and being creative and =20
> dedicated to
> finding a great show that the kids would have fun doing and the =20
> community
> would accept and enjoy as well.


-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com
=F0




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Message-ID: <441D80F9.3080805 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:04:09 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To:  Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Conversion tables (was: Re: Article of fall protection)
References: <list-28598284 [at] prxy.net>

Most of the time, I'm not either.  :(
S


CB wrote:

> I keep sayin' as to how I ain't qualified!  ; >
> 				Chris "Chris" Babbie
> 				Location Sound


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Message-ID: <000c01c64b6f$daf28de0$0600a8c0 [at] lpt>
From: <productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org>
References: <list-28616309 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: tricking directors
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:12:00 -0600
Organization: Minnesota Ballet

<Some analogy to 'Phantom Mixing' in sound. I was opping for a fairly renown
designer who said, and I quote, "Take it down one dB.  No, split the
difference."  It took me a while, but I finally figured out that the
director was saying "It should be quieter here", and the designer thought
that the level was fine.  Rather than try to convince the director, He gave
me a note over the headset, with the director standing right there, to
lower teh volume on that cue.>

Often when on tour with a new crew in every theater, cues do not always 
happen "exactly" they way the director wants it to go. As soon as that cue 
is done, I'm already fixing it over the headset with that crew member as to 
how to make it better. Then the director back stage would walk over to my 
stage manager and say :"Tell Ken that.........(place cue here)." Since I've 
already fixed the problem , or in the process of, my stage manager knows 
that to pass on that message would just rub me the wrong way. But with the 
director standing right there waiting to hear the message passed on, she 
speaks into the headset with the mic turned off. The cue gets fixed, and the 
director stays happy.

Kenneth Pogin
Production Manager
Minnesota Ballet 



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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:18:34 -0700
Message-ID: <011201c64b70$c5cf37f0$f5ee0918 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-28616747 [at] prxy.net>

Amazing that some of you remember The Beard. I do so well. 
Having produced, directed, and teched more plays, musical,productions, etc.
than I can dwell on, in a number of different venues across this land of
ours, in deeply religious enclaves, including Missouri, et al, and having
received some very strongly worded comments in newspapers and at Board
meetings, I can understand the problems quite well. The drama teacher lives
in that community, and the mores of that community must dictate, prudently
and wisely, her choice of productions. They pay her salary, etc. These are
their children and they have the right, as parents, as taxpayers, and
supporters of that school system, to make judgments. This has occurred ad
infinitum across the world, for centuries. 
Whether it is geography, history, English or drama classes or plays, the
district is a microcosm of the community, and their views must be respected.

It is not that one cannot be creative, they should and must, and a dialogue
with the parents would have been a good move, before the production or
before selecting the play. 
Certainly it is good to expose the youngsters to new ideas and classics,
etc. I recall when I directed and produced Royal Hunt of the Sun by Peter
Shaffer, the hue and cry was high, but fortunately, with a cast of 200, and
the backing of the county, etc. a long run occurred and finally the backing
of the community and of the Hollywood set too. 
Just an opinion. Dr. doom 

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Salzberg
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:20 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap

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> It is not that they are so opposed to the arts or the subject 
> matter in any of the plays mentioned, but instead are very 
> dedicated to the innocence of their children and would rather 
> see a milder subject matter for the high school students to present.

...And what happens to these kids when they attain their majority and go out
into the world unprepared for what it really is?


> Yes the town is intolerant as it was unwilling to endure 
> plays that went against their values, which is their right, 
> but the drama teacher is just as intolerant pushing her 
> "artistic" choices as she was unwilling to choose different 
> material that would be better accepted by the community.

Excuse me?  The play that was cancelled was "The Crucible" -- one of the
greatest works of a Pulitzer-winning playwright.  It's not as if she were
producing "The Beard".

Mind you, I can see where some conservatives, after 8 years in which "I
don't like him" was raised to the status of "high crimes and misdemeanors",
might be discomfited by a play which condemns witch hunts....


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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Firearms Regulations
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:24:28 -0700
Message-ID: <011801c64b71$98e267c0$f5ee0918 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-28605142 [at] prxy.net>

I am not always claiming the high ground, nor am I here, but I have worked
with the ATF lads across the country, in about twenty five states, and DC,
and on law suits, also developing Codes, Standards, Regulations.
Undoubtedly, I may have run into a different breed of cat than you. Of
course, being on the Pyro and Special Effects committee and working with the
Explosives and Chemical committees, I may have a tad bit of prejudice. 
Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Dale Farmer
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:45 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Firearms Regulations

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Jerry Durand wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> At 11:01 AM 3/18/2006, you wrote:
>> Because I am on so many committees with NFPA since 1970, I meet regularly
>> with them, all year, and with the BATF groups, six of them. We last 
>> met in
>> Pittsburgh a month ago, and I asked about the new ATF book, it is not 
>> ready
>> yet, but will be out son. Dr. doom
> 
> My point is that our permit does not cover firearms, only explosives.  
> The last paper book of regulations on that is the "Orange Book" from 2000.
> 
> Several pyros have said they also received this book, the ATF can't 
> explain why.
> 
> (For anyone confused, gun powder (smokeless and black) is not a 
> dangerous explosive if you intend to use it in a gun.  If you don't own 
> a gun, then it's a dangerous explosive and a felony to have any quantity 
> of unless you have an explosives permit and store it in a magazine way 
> out in a field.  Clear?)
> 
> 
> 
	From where I sit, the ATF is just a clueless as many of the other 
federal agencies.  They write contradictory regulations, fine or jail 
you for not following the other one.  Their agents don't know their own 
regulations, and if you follow their advice, which turns out to be 
against another of their regulations, you are the one who gets to go to 
jail.   This ignoring the unethical and lazy ones who spend their time 
chasing after small time players for obscure bookkeeping errors, and 
ignoring the cowboys who think they are more badass than dirty harry 
callahan and smarter than the characters on CSI.

    --Dale


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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: tricking directors
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:32:40 -0700
Message-ID: <012801c64b72$bdb37ed0$f5ee0918 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-28621895 [at] prxy.net>

There is a section in my new book (oops) that speaks to that point. Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:12 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: tricking directors

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<Some analogy to 'Phantom Mixing' in sound. I was opping for a fairly renown
designer who said, and I quote, "Take it down one dB.  No, split the
difference."  It took me a while, but I finally figured out that the
director was saying "It should be quieter here", and the designer thought
that the level was fine.  Rather than try to convince the director, He gave
me a note over the headset, with the director standing right there, to
lower teh volume on that cue.>

Often when on tour with a new crew in every theater, cues do not always 
happen "exactly" they way the director wants it to go. As soon as that cue 
is done, I'm already fixing it over the headset with that crew member as to 
how to make it better. Then the director back stage would walk over to my 
stage manager and say :"Tell Ken that.........(place cue here)." Since I've 
already fixed the problem , or in the process of, my stage manager knows 
that to pass on that message would just rub me the wrong way. But with the 
director standing right there waiting to hear the message passed on, she 
speaks into the headset with the mic turned off. The cue gets fixed, and the

director stays happy.

Kenneth Pogin
Production Manager
Minnesota Ballet 



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Message-ID: <441D87AC.2070802 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:32:44 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
References: <list-28611252 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-28611252 [at] prxy.net>

Greg Persinger wrote:
> I grew up 30 miles from where this incident took place and that particular
> county is very conservative but is more strongly non-denominational then
> Lutheran.
> 
> It is not that they are so opposed to the arts or the subject matter in any
> of the plays mentioned, but instead are very dedicated to the innocence of
> their children and would rather see a milder subject matter for the high
> school students to present.

Thanks for providing this viewpoint, Greg.

As a parent, I can understand and empathize with their goal. It almost
sounds like they are trying to create a utopian school atmosphere, which
one would see in 50s or 60s sitcoms. However, I would question whether
such an insular approach would work.

In order for this to work, their children would have to be completely
insulated from _all_ external sources, including television, radio, the
Internet, and so on. In addition, it would require _all_ members of the
community to create the same atmosphere for their children - highly
unlikely.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <20060319163938.80463.qmail [at] web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:39:38 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Play Flap
In-Reply-To: <list-28616309 [at] prxy.net>


Ahhh, yes, ignorance is bliss...if the kids are in
High School, then they have already been exposed to
the smoking, drinking, cursing and kissing of
"Grease".  The big difference is, I am sure the
"Grease" way is a bit tamer. What's next? I bet the
Library has all sorts of racy stuff in it. (unless
they have already "edited" that as well.) As I
understand it, the best way to keep kid away from such
activities is to enroll them in some extra activity
like theatre. Sorry I have a real problem with the
bury your head in the sand way of raising children,
and maintaining innocence. 

A while back, I toured with "The Best Little
Whorehouse in Texas".  Now, I am not a fan of the show
or it's message, however it is just entertainment.
Teach the difference. When we toured the Bible Belt we
were asked if the word "Whorehouse" could be removed
from the billboard and advertising. We were asked if
the language in the show could be changed. We had
pre-show Announcements telling the audience EXACTLY
how many swear words and 'God Damns" were in each act.
We even had protesters with picket signs reading,
"Satins Whorehouse". So, I guess even adult
productions have the problem of insulting innocence.
We did not hide who or what we were, plain old
entertainment, and the local presenter bought the
show. If ya don't like it or don't know it, don't go
see the show and certainly don't bring your kids.

What ever happened to education. If you teach your
children guns can kill, the hope is they won't play
with guns. Same rule for pot, stealing things,
honesty, credibility, religion, and anything else.

Sorry for the pseudo rant, but I had the same thing
happen to me a few decades ago when I was in High
School. Same Play (Grease), and it was the English
Teacher who lost her job. The play did not affect us,
as I said what was happening on stage was a lot tamer
than what was happening in the halls. 

It goes to show: the one thing we have learned from
history is that we do not learn from history.



 >>It is not that they are so opposed to the arts or
>>the subject matter in 
>>any
>>of the plays mentioned, but instead are very
>>dedicated to the innocence 
>>of
>>their children and would rather see a milder
>>subject matter for the 
>>high
>>school students to present.

>>Adult actors could do these plays without any
>>controversy and have 
>>performed
>>much racier things in this area without incident.


Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:39:40 -0700
Message-ID: <012901c64b73$b8485c30$f5ee0918 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-28622391 [at] prxy.net>

They may indeed be opposed to some of the items mentioned in the play, but
your are correct, in their own mind, culture, attitudes, backgrounds,
present milieu of TV, etc. they may want to at least shield their children
from some aspects of our present culture. 
Also, when one performs in a production, as some of you might know, you get
into the part rather strongly, and perhaps, some of the areas involved in
the production are just those areas that they do not want their children to
be initiated into, either now, at least under their aegis, nor later.

As a parent of 7 children, five girls, two boys, I believe I gave a great
deal of latitude to my children as they grew up, but there were some rules
and guidelines, and we shared many warm conversations about them. Yes, they
all were in theater, design, dance, etc. among other things, film production
included, in schools, and I did change several schools for them, when I
believed the administration, etc. was not in keeping with my own thinking of
raising children. Despite me, they grew up wonderful. 
Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hyslop
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:33 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap

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Greg Persinger wrote:
> I grew up 30 miles from where this incident took place and that particular
> county is very conservative but is more strongly non-denominational then
> Lutheran.
> 
> It is not that they are so opposed to the arts or the subject matter in
any
> of the plays mentioned, but instead are very dedicated to the innocence of
> their children and would rather see a milder subject matter for the high
> school students to present.

Thanks for providing this viewpoint, Greg.

As a parent, I can understand and empathize with their goal. It almost
sounds like they are trying to create a utopian school atmosphere, which
one would see in 50s or 60s sitcoms. However, I would question whether
such an insular approach would work.

In order for this to work, their children would have to be completely
insulated from _all_ external sources, including television, radio, the
Internet, and so on. In addition, it would require _all_ members of the
community to create the same atmosphere for their children - highly
unlikely.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <441D898F.9020209 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:40:47 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: tricking directors
References: <list-28616309 [at] prxy.net> <list-28621895 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-28621895 [at] prxy.net>

OK, since we've diverged into "how to fool the [fill in the blank]",
when I was at college, our stage carpentry teacher worked for the Shaw
Festival Theatre in Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario. The main stage there
is huge - the prosc opening, as I recall, is 100 feet wide by 60 feet high.

One production he was on, the set pieces were very tall
tubular-steel-framed flats, and very heavy.

When they were setting up the flats, the set designer was at the back of
the house, and shouted out "Move it about an inch stage left." The two
guys on the flat just looked at each other, and made a great show of
grunting and shoving (without really doing anything), then called out
"How's that?"

"Perfect!" the set designer replied.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


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Message-ID: <20060319164642.24511.qmail [at] web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:46:42 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: D.C. Fan Motor
In-Reply-To: <list-28616309 [at] prxy.net>

Curiosity here, 
The heater fan in my car seems to have a mind of its
own. The fan works great while the car is warming up
but, when it gets to operating temp. the fan decides
to go on strike. 
Anyone have any idea on the malfunction? Why will it
work when cold but not hot?
As we still have a few months of cold to look forward
to here in the North East, I would like to at least
keep the window from fogging up.
Thanks,

Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:53:28 -0500
Subject: Re: D.C. Fan Motor
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C042F6B8.A8A9%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-28622740 [at] prxy.net>

You have to call Tom & Ray of "Car Talk"  www.cartalk.com
They may not know but they'll make something up.
Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
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On 3/19/06 11:46 AM, "b Ricie" <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Curiosity here, 
> The heater fan in my car seems to have a mind of its
> own. The fan works great while the car is warming up
> but, when it gets to operating temp. the fan decides
> to go on strike. 
> Anyone have any idea on the malfunction? Why will it
> work when cold but not hot?
> As we still have a few months of cold to look forward
> to here in the North East, I would like to at least
> keep the window from fogging up.
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian Rice 
> 508-685-0716
> b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
> "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the
> light."
> 
> __________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:54:44 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Firearms Regulations
In-reply-to: <list-28622189 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <3983F8A0-2F66-419C-B898-65FFFC2EC3B6 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-28622189 [at] prxy.net>


On Mar 19, 2006, at 8:24 AM, RD wrote:

>  am not always claiming the high ground, nor am I here, but I have  
> worked
> with the ATF lads across the country, in about twenty five states,  
> and DC,
> and on law suits, also developing Codes, Standards, Regulations.
> Undoubtedly, I may have run into a different breed of cat than you. Of
> course, being on the Pyro and Special Effects committee and working  
> with the
> Explosives and Chemical committees, I may have a tad bit of prejudice.
> Doom

Note that I didn't say the bit you're replying to, that was a reply  
to my comment.  I understand the ATF inspectors (and fire inspectors,  
police, etc.) have a hard time because they're often required to  
enforce rules from that come from various sources (such as the  
current politician that signs their paychecks) and they do what they  
can.  My inspector has a wide range of things to keep track of, she's  
intelligent, friendly, and fair but doesn't know much about any one  
field (her college degree was something in law).  She also agrees  
that there are conflicting and just plain stupid laws (my favorite is  
#27 in the Q&A section of the Orange Book, automotive airbags are 1.4  
explosives and must follow all the rules, implying that every  
automobile has to be in a magazine, and no non-US citizen or person  
under 18 can be allowed anywhere near them, etc.).  My inspector says  
she's not about to arrest herself or her boss for possession of  
explosives without a license.  :)

Perhaps the most efficient way to run a government is a dictatorship  
(more than we have now).  Of course efficient doesn't equal a place  
I'd want to live, though some dictators seem to care more about their  
people than some elected officials do.

So, since we live where we do (Earth, Sol System), we have to work  
WITH the people over us and help them to see what we need and why  
while at the same time understanding what rules they have to follow.   
Normally a solution can be found where everyone bends or ignores the  
SAME rules, that way everyone can get on with their job.

Keep this in mind for the people under you, too.  They are also  
receiving conflicting requirements from you and others.

Somebody famous said that people get the government they deserve.


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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:11:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C042FAF4.E8F2%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-28619800 [at] prxy.net>

> For probably 99% of humans, the times when laws compel them to
> study and learn are really the only times in their lives when they will
> seriously pay attention to such things.

    Wow, I knew I was special, but only 1% ???  Back in school, I was there
because I had to be, but was uninterested in what was being taught. (Somehow
I suppose some of it seeped into my stubborn brain anyway.) In high school
I was more interested in hanging out in the auditorium, the AV room or the
dark room, than going to classes.

    When I was out on my own, and no one was "Forcing" me to learn, my
natural curiosity kicked in. Kind of like reading the dictionary. Each
definition contained at least one word that caused me to think "I wonder
what that word means" so I looked it up - and the cycle continued.

    I read and taught myself countless subjects, once it was MY choice to do
so. I recognise that trait in many school kids that are "having trouble in
school". They aren't dumb, they just need to understand WHY they need to
know the subject, and be ALLOWED -not forced -to learn. We may not be in the
majority, but I have to believe we make up more than 1% of the populace!

    No day is wasted if you learn something new!

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:20:20 -0500
Subject: Re: WAS Re: Article of fall protection NOW Weather
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C042FD04.E8F3%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-28598174 [at] prxy.net>

> Believe it or not, there actually are some of us who prefer -10'F to +100'F!
> I've spent my entire life living above 42'N latitude.

    Count me in that camp. Although I'd prefer 60 - 70 degrees (Especially
as I get older) If I had to choose between the two extremes, I'd definitely
go with the colder end of the spectrum.

    If it's cold, you can always add another layer. If it's hot, there's a
limit to how much you can remove!

 > Cold weather, I like to say, keeps the bugs small and keeps the riff-raff
<out!

    I LIKE that!

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:41:59 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: Play Flap
In-reply-to: <list-28622547 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <265BED22-6D29-4707-8F89-AF003DD9B6D1 [at] klad.com>
References: <list-28616309 [at] prxy.net> <list-28622547 [at] prxy.net>


sadly.

This is the great lesson of Prohibition.


On Mar 19, 2006, at 11:39 AM, b Ricie wrote:
> It goes to show: the one thing we have learned from
> history is that we do not learn from history.


-----
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Architect of Dreams
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201.280.3841.mobile
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=F0




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Message-ID: <0+V0TrElxZHEFwnn [at] ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:01:09 +0000
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: D.C. Fan Motor
References: <list-28616309 [at] prxy.net> <list-28622740 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-28622740 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-28622740 [at] prxy.net>, b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com> writes
>Curiosity here,
>The heater fan in my car seems to have a mind of its own. The fan works 
>great while the car is warming up but, when it gets to operating temp. 
>the fan decides to go on strike. Anyone have any idea on the 
>malfunction? Why will it work when cold but not hot? As we still have a 
>few months of cold to look forward to here in the North East, I would 
>like to at least
>keep the window from fogging up.

Sounds like a bad connection that is affected by the expansion of metals 
and materials as the thing warms up.

If you can access the unit look for burnt connections or even just 
wiggle all connections to see if you can get it going again.

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:14:11 -0600
Subject: Re: Interesting (dream) Job Posting
From: Greg Persinger <greg [at] vividillumination.com>
Message-ID: <C042FB93.8F06%greg [at] vividillumination.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-28617100 [at] prxy.net>

Dave,

That's because your sound guys need a challenge. If EVERYONE stopped
challenging then life would get boring and stale.

Greg Persinger
Vivid Illumination 


on 3/19/06 5:40 AM, Dave Marks at dave.marks [at] insightbb.com wrote:

> 
> Oh my.  I work in a church, and while it's a great place, and we just
> did an $120,000 Meyers/Yamaha installation,
> EVERYONE challenges the sound guys! Not quite so much since the new
> system however.......
> 
> Dave Marks, media director
> Northwoods Community Church
> Peoria, IL
> 
> 



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Message-ID: <441DA3EB.604 [at] charliefraser.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:33:15 -0500
From: Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
References: <list-28611252 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-28611252 [at] prxy.net>

Greg, Obviously everyone has an opinion about this and we could fill a
drive array debating this, I just have one question. Under the morals
and mores of this town what would constitute a "great play"? Most of
Shakespeare is out, West Side Story, the entire library of Eugene
O'neill, most of Odets, Miller, and Williams what is left???????? Give
me any "great" play and I bet one could find some objectional material
in it. What are these poor souls going to do when they get to college? I
would rather have my children learning about these issues in an
environment I can have some influence and control over rather than have
then blindsided when they leave the nest. I try never to knock anyone's
values or beliefs, but is it practical to shield teenagers from the real
world?  Both of my sisters tried to shield their children from toys that
portrayed violence and that lasted until they got to school and began
playing with other children with these toys. So, they would explain to
their children about the weapons and have discussions. I have my own
idea of morality as well, but are we serving our children by letting
them go out in the world not properly prepared?

Charlie



Greg Persinger wrote:

>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>on 3/18/06 12:36 PM, RD at doomster [at] worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have been following this case for some time in the news, having lived many
>>places in Missouri and having taught drama there .... and know of the
>>problems. A very strong Missouri Lutheran Synod group there ....very strong.
>>    
>>
>
>
>I grew up 30 miles from where this incident took place and that particular
>county is very conservative but is more strongly non-denominational then
>Lutheran.
>
>It is not that they are so opposed to the arts or the subject matter in any
>of the plays mentioned, but instead are very dedicated to the innocence of
>their children and would rather see a milder subject matter for the high
>school students to present.
>
>Adult actors could do these plays without any controversy and have performed
>much racier things in this area without incident.
>
>The people in this area have chosen to live and raise family's there because
>of its slower pace, low crime rate, low cost of living, and the conservative
>moral convictions of the people in the area.
>
>Just as many on this list feel very strongly that these people are crazy for
>their beliefs, they feel just as strongly that they have the right to fight
>against what they feel is a negative influence on their children.
>
>As Doom mentioned some communities are not accepting of some subject
>matters. You either find what works well in your community and present it or
>you will always be fighting a battle.
>
>Yes the town is intolerant as it was unwilling to endure plays that went
>against their values, which is their right, but the drama teacher is just as
>intolerant pushing her "artistic" choices as she was unwilling to choose
>different material that would be better accepted by the community.
>
>I think she was correct in saying she needed to find a better match in
>schools as to where to teach. One that would support the material she
>desired to produce.
>
>Essentially the people of the area fought against "artistic freedom" to
>protect their freedom to raise their children in the best manner they see
>fit. Artistic freedom lost as it was a lower priority for the people of the
>area. Is this so terrible? The community asked for something more acceptable
>to them, not that the theater program be shut down.  The teacher said no,
>the community said they didn't want what she was offering and canceled her
>play. They didn't ban Grease from ever being performed in town or try to
>legislate what type of plays can be written, it never even was an issue
>outside of their town, they just asked for something that was more
>reflective of their conservative values. Something that better fit them.
>
>Of course this wouldn't go over very well in most larger cities and it
>probably wouldn't even be up for discussion in New York City, but this is
>why these people live in Fulton, MO. They don't want to be New York and they
>certainly don't have New York tastes in art and obviously "artistic freedom"
>for high school theater is not high on their priority list.
>
>There are lots of great plays that could have been done that would have
>appeased the community and have been just as fun for the kids. Isn't that
>what high school theater is all about. Getting to experience performing and
>all of the things that come with live theater and having a good time doing
>it.
>
>It's too bad that this teacher got hung up on what she couldn't do instead
>of thinking that the show must go on and being creative and dedicated to
>finding a great show that the kids would have fun doing and the community
>would accept and enjoy as well.
>
>Greg Persinger
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>


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Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20060319131526.03842390 [at] pop.lightlink.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:33:12 -0500
From: John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
In-Reply-To: <list-28623254 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-28619800 [at] prxy.net>

At 12:11 PM 3/19/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Wow, I knew I was special, but only 1% ???


OK.  Bad use of a number.  I certainly have no scientifically valid survey 
to validate my choice of that percentage, just personal observation.  I'll 
willingly rephrase the statement to say that "most of the people," after 
their school years are primarily concerned with the practical matters of 
day to day living.

Naturally, a lot of people do find natural curiosity about various areas 
and continue to pursue lifelong learning.  My point was simply that one 
needs to be exposed to the widest possible range of ideas, beliefs, and 
points of view during the school years or one is likely never to contact 
some of these modes of thought.

I think I speak from a certain degree of personal experience here.  During 
a portion of my working years, I became so engrossed with specific subject 
areas that I ignored a great many others, to my detriment.  I'm just very 
glad that I had a wide-ranging education in public school and university.

In line with this particular thread, a story that my mother, a life-long 
elementary school teacher, told me comes to mind.  In southern Alabama 
where she grew up, a farmer sent a note in to a teacher one day that said 
something like the following.  I am keeping my daughter home from school 
because you are teaching about what's inside the human body and I do not 
want her to know about her innards.

I'm afraid that I'm one who tends to think that the nation has an interest 
in ensuring that the young are exposed to a wide range of data.  Naturally, 
not every individual will use that information in the same ways nor should 
they, but in any functioning society, some concepts need to be matters of 
common knowledge, even if different individuals hold opposing points of 
view about these matters.  Restricting education is not protecting the child.

Let me hasten to add that, should someone care to push this matter to an 
extreme, I do believe that there are necessary boundaries.  Extreme points 
of view are not helpful.  Of course, having said that, I also recognize 
that I've just brought us right back to the same place where all this 
started.  Sorry.

-- JLB



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Message-ID: <d983c4a0603191047p6a381649u [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:47:42 -0800
From: "Mat Goebel" <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: tricking directors
In-Reply-To: <list-28622602 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-28616309 [at] prxy.net> <list-28621895 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-28622602 [at] prxy.net>

My favourite is when you're leveling a flown video screen and they ask
you to lower one side by 1/4 inch. I pluck the pull line and let the
screen wiggle - perfect every time!

On 19/03/06, Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> OK, since we've diverged into "how to fool the [fill in the blank]",


--
Mat Goebel
www.matgoebel.com
Mobile: 510.693.1448

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:21:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C043195A.E90D%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-28625124 [at] prxy.net>

> Under the morals
> and mores of this town what would constitute a "great play"? Most of
> Shakespeare is out, West Side Story, the entire library of Eugene
> O'neill, most of Odets, Miller, and Williams what is left???????? Give
> me any "great" play and I bet one could find some objectional material
> in it. What are these poor souls going to do when they get to college?

    As much as I like the songs in the (Original version of) Grease, I would
not consider that to be amongst the "Great plays", and that was one of the
plays involved in this particular controversy.

> I would rather have my children learning about these issues in an
> environment I can have some influence and control over rather than have
> then blindsided when they leave the nest.

    I doubt that Grease would teach them or prepare them for the "Real
world". 

    Charlie and John, please understand that whilst I may sound otherwise, I
actually agree completely with your points.

    I might even stick my neck out so far as to suggest that the school
should present ideas contrary to those of the parents, for the kid's sake.
(This should stir up the conservatives!)

    I don't believe that anyone can truly make an informed decision without
examining a controversial subject from both sides. While parents (Involved
ones at least) might teach their values as absolute, the school should
expose the student to what Paul Harvey would refer to as "The rest of the
story". 

    This does not suggest that the school should say "Your parents are
wrong!", but rather "Here's another way of looking at it!" Only after being
exposed to both sides, and having a forum to openly discuss them, can a
person form his own value system.

    Parents often want to maintain control of their children's morals and
values, and resist any other influence. They are better off teaching their
children "This is what I believe" and more importantly WHY.

    Parents that say "This is the way it is, and that's that! Don't even
listen to the other side" will ultimately either loose their battle anyway,
or produce equally closed minded children that share the same biases and
bigotry.

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <361.bfbd6.314f14e8 [at] aol.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:11:20 EST
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap

Having walked in similar shoes, I can understand her situation well. Only  
takes one verbal parent to make life hell for a teacher and administrator. 
 
greg [at] vividillumination.com writes:
<<  Yes, the town is  intolerant as it was unwilling to endure plays that 
went against their values,  which is their right, but the drama teacher is just 
as intolerant pushing her  "artistic" choices as she was unwilling to choose 
different material that would  be better accepted by the community. >>

The town didn't hold a referendum to voice their opinion. The article  
clearly states "a HANDFUL of Callaway Christian Church members." Sounds to me  like 
someone didn't like her because she's an outsider (read: more  knowledgeable 
about the real world than the folks who've never left that area)  and no matter 
what she would have suggested, it would have been met with  criticism. One 
parent slanders to another and before you know it, the  Cruicble's witch hunt is 
being acted out in real life. Happens FAR too  often in small towns where 
gossip and rumor are accorded the same "truth" as  newspaper headlines. Can't 
begin to count the excellent people I've  known who've suffered the same fate.

<< I think she was correct in saying she needed to find a better  match in 
schools as to where to teach. One that would support the material she  desired 
to produce. >>
 
The school administration told her that her contract wouldn't be renewed.  
March 15th is the day most schools offer contracts for the next year. Few public 
 school teachers have tenure and fighting to keep a teaching job isn't worth 
the  money. If she resigns now, she won't have the non-renewal on her record 
and the  administrators don't have to go through the process to terminate her. 
This is  common practice for "artistic differences" in schools. 

<<There are  lots of great plays that could have been done that would have 
appeased the  community and have been just as fun for the kids. Isn't that what 
high school  theater is all about. Getting to experience performing and all of 
the things  that come with live theater and having a good time doing it.  >>

High school theatre, though an "extra curricular" program, has  national 
academic standards.  ( _http://www.byu.edu/tma/arts-ed/9-12/9-12pro0.htm_ 
(http://www.byu.edu/tma/arts-ed/9-12/9-12pro0.htm)  )   "Having fun" and "appeasing 
the community" aren't part of it. It's about  EDUCATING students. It's about 
teaching them how drama interacts with other  arts, about using the reading, math 
and science things they learn in those  classes and about practical 
application of communication skills. If you have a  good time while doing that, great!
 
Scenes like this are becomming more common.
_http://www.artsjournal.com/adaptistration/archives/2006/02/whos_afraid_of_1.h
tml_ 
(http://www.artsjournal.com/adaptistration/archives/2006/02/whos_afraid_of_1.html) 
_http://www.metoperafamily.org/operanews/news/pressrelease.aspx?id=1118_ 
(http://www.metoperafamily.org/operanews/news/pressrelease.aspx?id=1118) 
_http://www.wmdt.com/topstory/displaystory.asp?id=1826_ 
(http://www.wmdt.com/topstory/displaystory.asp?id=1826) 
_http://www.indyscribe.com/theater/ragtime_at_perry_meridian_high_school.html_
 
(http://www.indyscribe.com/theater/ragtime_at_perry_meridian_high_school.html) 
 
If we, as arts professionals, do not support our fellow artists' right to  
select material they deem appropriate for their situation, then we lose our  
right to object when our choices are similarly limited.
 
Kristi
 
 
 

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Message-ID: <441DC12D.3080904 [at] charliefraser.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:38:05 -0500
From: Charles Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
References: <list-28626145 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-28626145 [at] prxy.net>

Bruce, Point of clarification, when I made the statement "great plays" I
was referring to Greg's comment:

"There are lots of great plays that could have been done that would have
>appeased the community and have been just as fun for the kids."



I was not speaking of Grease in particular, but more of the crucible and
the other play writes I mentioned.

Charlie

Bruce Purdy wrote:

>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>  
>
>>Under the morals
>>and mores of this town what would constitute a "great play"? Most of
>>Shakespeare is out, West Side Story, the entire library of Eugene
>>O'neill, most of Odets, Miller, and Williams what is left???????? Give
>>me any "great" play and I bet one could find some objectional material
>>in it. What are these poor souls going to do when they get to college?
>>    
>>
>
>    As much as I like the songs in the (Original version of) Grease, I would
>not consider that to be amongst the "Great plays", and that was one of the
>plays involved in this particular controversy.
>
>  
>
>>I would rather have my children learning about these issues in an
>>environment I can have some influence and control over rather than have
>>then blindsided when they leave the nest.
>>    
>>
>
>    I doubt that Grease would teach them or prepare them for the "Real
>world". 
>
>    Charlie and John, please understand that whilst I may sound otherwise, I
>actually agree completely with your points.
>
>    I might even stick my neck out so far as to suggest that the school
>should present ideas contrary to those of the parents, for the kid's sake.
>(This should stir up the conservatives!)
>
>    I don't believe that anyone can truly make an informed decision without
>examining a controversial subject from both sides. While parents (Involved
>ones at least) might teach their values as absolute, the school should
>expose the student to what Paul Harvey would refer to as "The rest of the
>story". 
>
>    This does not suggest that the school should say "Your parents are
>wrong!", but rather "Here's another way of looking at it!" Only after being
>exposed to both sides, and having a forum to openly discuss them, can a
>person form his own value system.
>
>    Parents often want to maintain control of their children's morals and
>values, and resist any other influence. They are better off teaching their
>children "This is what I believe" and more importantly WHY.
>
>    Parents that say "This is the way it is, and that's that! Don't even
>listen to the other side" will ultimately either loose their battle anyway,
>or produce equally closed minded children that share the same biases and
>bigotry.
>
>Bruce
>  
>


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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Firearms Regulations
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:01:10 -0700
Message-ID: <005a01c64b98$401ca890$f5ee0918 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-28622947 [at] prxy.net>

Perhaps if I passed on your private comments, sotto voce to people I know,
selectively, there might be some changes, or do I come off as too naive. ?
doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Durand
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:55 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Firearms Regulations

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------


On Mar 19, 2006, at 8:24 AM, RD wrote:

>  am not always claiming the high ground, nor am I here, but I have  
> worked
> with the ATF lads across the country, in about twenty five states,  
> and DC,
> and on law suits, also developing Codes, Standards, Regulations.
> Undoubtedly, I may have run into a different breed of cat than you. Of
> course, being on the Pyro and Special Effects committee and working  
> with the
> Explosives and Chemical committees, I may have a tad bit of prejudice.
> Doom

Note that I didn't say the bit you're replying to, that was a reply  
to my comment.  I understand the ATF inspectors (and fire inspectors,  
police, etc.) have a hard time because they're often required to  
enforce rules from that come from various sources (such as the  
current politician that signs their paychecks) and they do what they  
can.  My inspector has a wide range of things to keep track of, she's  
intelligent, friendly, and fair but doesn't know much about any one  
field (her college degree was something in law).  She also agrees  
that there are conflicting and just plain stupid laws (my favorite is  
#27 in the Q&A section of the Orange Book, automotive airbags are 1.4  
explosives and must follow all the rules, implying that every  
automobile has to be in a magazine, and no non-US citizen or person  
under 18 can be allowed anywhere near them, etc.).  My inspector says  
she's not about to arrest herself or her boss for possession of  
explosives without a license.  :)

Perhaps the most efficient way to run a government is a dictatorship  
(more than we have now).  Of course efficient doesn't equal a place  
I'd want to live, though some dictators seem to care more about their  
people than some elected officials do.

So, since we live where we do (Earth, Sol System), we have to work  
WITH the people over us and help them to see what we need and why  
while at the same time understanding what rules they have to follow.   
Normally a solution can be found where everyone bends or ignores the  
SAME rules, that way everyone can get on with their job.

Keep this in mind for the people under you, too.  They are also  
receiving conflicting requirements from you and others.

Somebody famous said that people get the government they deserve.


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:16:21 -0500
Message-ID: <003401c64b9a$5f1f6e60$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-28626145 [at] prxy.net>


>     I might even stick my neck out so far as to suggest that=20
> the school should present ideas contrary to those of the=20
> parents, for the kid's sake.

I'm all in favor of the parental right to raise children with the values =
the
parent wants, but when those values become a danger to society (extreme
case: imagine if Charlie Manson had children.  Hell, imagine Charlie
Richmond....but I digress), then those rights must be truncated.

=20
>     I don't believe that anyone can truly make an informed=20
> decision without examining a controversial subject from both=20
> sides.

While I'm presenting extreme examples....

Imagine a society in which issues that affect the entire society are =
decided
by people who don't believe that they need to inform themselves -- =
people
who are convinced that that which they find it convenient to believe is =
so,
is indeed so.  How long could such a culture remain dominant (or even
viable)?

Now realize that in the 2004 election, exit polls showed that =
approximately
75% of the people who voted for George W. Bush believed that we'd found =
WMDs
in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein had been involved in 9/11, despite the =
fact
that every credible news source (and also Fox News Channel) had reported
that neither was true.=20


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060319142047.00d35050 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:20:47
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap

>But after a handful of Callaway Christian Church members complained 
>about scenes in the fall musical "Grease" that showed teens smoking, 
>drinking and kissing, Superintendent Mark Enderle told DeVore to find 
>a more family-friendly substitute.

A handfull of zealots inisting that all students be taught teh morality of
their personal beliefs.  I think there might be a ply there that she could
produce with her students that might educate them to the power of theatre...

>Publicity over the drama debate, including a front-page story in The 
>New York Times, has cast an unflattering light on Fulton as an 
>intolerant small town, several of DeVore's colleagues said.
>"We have become a laughingstock," teacher Paula Fessler told The Fulton Sun.

Well, if the shoe fits...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060319142717.00d35050 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:27:17
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Electricians needed-last minute call

>No, Chris....

Its one of those very rare, rainy (especially rainy) cold (well, that too)
day out here inthe middle of the desert.  Back before global warming and
greenhouse gases, I'd be calling whatever work I had to do tomorrow and
calling in skiing, but I think it's just a bit too slushy now.
Anyhoo, the cold rain brings no joy, as it isn't even fun to take the
scooter out and get wet when it this cold, so that was my lil ray of
sunshine this afternoon.  Thanks!
LMAO

				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:25:14 -0700
Message-ID: <006401c64b9b$9d2f61a0$f5ee0918 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-28628711 [at] prxy.net>

Incredible. WMD's again. Well, I seem to be coming over to your side, now
that you have tossed in the explosives. Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey E.
Salzberg
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:16 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------


>     I might even stick my neck out so far as to suggest that 
> the school should present ideas contrary to those of the 
> parents, for the kid's sake.

I'm all in favor of the parental right to raise children with the values the
parent wants, but when those values become a danger to society (extreme
case: imagine if Charlie Manson had children.  Hell, imagine Charlie
Richmond....but I digress), then those rights must be truncated.

 
>     I don't believe that anyone can truly make an informed 
> decision without examining a controversial subject from both 
> sides.

While I'm presenting extreme examples....

Imagine a society in which issues that affect the entire society are decided
by people who don't believe that they need to inform themselves -- people
who are convinced that that which they find it convenient to believe is so,
is indeed so.  How long could such a culture remain dominant (or even
viable)?

Now realize that in the 2004 election, exit polls showed that approximately
75% of the people who voted for George W. Bush believed that we'd found WMDs
in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein had been involved in 9/11, despite the fact
that every credible news source (and also Fox News Channel) had reported
that neither was true. 


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060319143006.00d35050 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:30:06
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: WAS Re: Article of fall protection NOW Weather

> Cold weathe, I like to say, keeps the bugs small and keeps the riff-raff
out!

Just what is it that you are trying to say?

				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:31 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
In-Reply-To: <list-28628711 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0603192119290.10150 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-28628711 [at] prxy.net>

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:

> case: imagine if Charlie Manson had children.  Hell, imagine Charlie
> Richmond....but I digress), then those rights must be truncated.

Hey!!!!  I saw that!  ;-)

Fortunately my children became valuable members of society.

Sheesh, even my son ran for political office for the then governing party of 
British Columbia when he was 19....but I digress (they lost ;-)

Talk about rising above your upbringing!

> Now realize that in the 2004 election, exit polls showed that approximately
> 75% of the people who voted for George W. Bush believed that we'd found WMDs
> in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein had been involved in 9/11, despite the fact
> that every credible news source (and also Fox News Channel) had reported
> that neither was true.

Now tell us what else they believe in if you dare...

Charlie

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:31:39 -0500
Message-ID: <003501c64b9c$820ab900$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-28629116 [at] prxy.net>


 
> Fortunately my children became valuable members of society.
> 
> Sheesh, even my son ran for political office

Make up your mind.

Actually, that was a joke; I believe that some people really do run for
office because they have a desire to serve.  Not all, to be sure, but some.


 
> > Now realize that in the 2004 election, exit polls showed that 
> > approximately 75% of the people who voted for George W. 
> Bush believed 
> > that we'd found WMDs in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein had 
> been involved 
> > in 9/11, despite the fact that every credible news source (and also 
> > Fox News Channel) had reported that neither was true.
> 
> Now tell us what else they believe in if you dare...

The mind boggles.


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Subject: RE: micromanaging directors
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:40:06 -0800
Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E602038F74 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca>
From: "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>

For all the horror stories of designers who had directors take over the =
levels session, try being the Lighting Board Operator when that happens.

When the director jumped in the first time saying "8 to 75%", and =
"what's that channel on that section, bring it up higher", when all we =
had started to do was the show and tell of what the 48 channels can do =
(wash, wash, cool wash, window gobo).  This was for a summer run in a =
tent, bare stage with some set dressings.

I look over to the lighting designer and go, "um, Help, what do I do?"  =
I finally got the message when the designer laid down on a row of chairs =
for a nap. (I kept working with the director.)

No, I don't remember what the eventual look of the show was, or how it =
turned out.

Andrew M. Riter
Head Lighting Technician
Chan Centre for the Performing Arts
University of British Columbia
6265 Crescent Road
Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1
604-822-2372
604-822-1606 fax
chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca


*************
You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in =
obscurity what it lacks in style
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead
*********************


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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:43:50 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
In-Reply-To: <list-28629205 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0603192138170.10150 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-28629205 [at] prxy.net>

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:

> Actually, that was a joke; I believe that some people really do run for
> office because they have a desire to serve.  Not all, to be sure, but some.

Idealistic youth are always the best ones to govern and the least likely to. 
Someone once said that if you aren't a socialist under the age of 30 you have no 
heart and if you aren't when you are over 30 you have no brain but I actually 
disagree...

Charlie

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:47:27 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Firearms Regulations
In-reply-to: <list-28628412 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060319133026.01f6d670 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-28622947 [at] prxy.net> <list-28628412 [at] prxy.net>

At 01:01 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
>Perhaps if I passed on your private comments, sotto voce to people I know,
>selectively, there might be some changes, or do I come off as too naive. ?
>doom

The following is related to pyrotechnics, but applies to many other fields...

[rant on]

The most important thing is CONSISTANCY in the rules.  Why is it 
legal for a gun owner to have 50 pounds in his house while I can't 
have any detectable quantity?  Either the stuff is dangerous or it 
isn't.  Pick one, enforce the choice.

Why is the Consumer Product Safety Commission saying that chemicals 
that the ATF and other agencies say are perfectly legal to buy, 
store, and own are illegal to sell?  Since when are raw chemicals 
consumer products?  The CPSC claims that the chemical sellers will 
sell you combinations that COULD be made into illegal explosives and 
are siting sellers.  If the items are illegal TO MAKE, arrest the 
people making them, NOT the people selling a wide range of otherwise 
legal items that might be used in the wrong way.  Now, if the seller 
states these items are for making illegal items or sells a "kit", 
then the seller is also guilty, otherwise he's just a seller of 
chemicals and other supplies for legal purposes.

Why are government agencies (like police) not required to lock up 
explosives to the same extent as the rest of are?  Why are the 
inevitable thefts from those same agencies counted as proof that the 
rest of us aren't securing things well?

Why are government agencies constantly found using ILLEGAL explosives 
(even high explosives) in their demonstrations of how dangerous 
consumer fireworks are?  A consumer firecracker will NOT blow up a 
watermelon along with the table it's sitting on.  MOST consumer 
fireworks injuries are burns from sparklers and percentage-wise, it's 
one of the safer hobbies (CPSC's own records).


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand



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Subject: Source 4 maintenance
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:48:35 -0800
Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E602038F75 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca>
From: "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>

Looking towards maintenance this summer (yes, we actually get time), I =
need to go through all the Source 4 and tune and clean them.

I've got the cleaning info for the reflectors and lenses.  I've got =
extra tube glides, springs, knobs and washers.

What I don't have (entirely) is the clear picture of what the problem is =
that causes the lamp to flare strangely when running the lens barrel =
(the straight shutter cut at hard edge becomes mushy at the middle, and =
not soft at the top or bottom, so it gets bigger at the side of the cut, =
creating a curve.  I've moved the lamp in and out (hot spot/dark spot) =
but that hasn't fixed it.

Other problem, different reactions between lamps with the lenses are run =
out.  The soft edge behaves differently between lamps.  Again, is this =
bulb placement in the reflector, bad reflector. . . ?

I've seen on some S4 that the bulb doesn't always back out very far.  =
The nut just spins off the bolt.  I assume something is =
catching/friction is causing the back-cap from moving out.  The spring =
isn't strong enough to push it away from the lamp because something is =
stopping it, correct?

Finally, for the bench focus:

White sheet (we have no cyc), tree or truss to hang light from.  Should =
we bench focus it with a 50 deg, 36 deg, 19 deg?  Obviously the distance =
to the sheet has something to do with it, but do you prefer a really =
large beam of light or a tighter one?  What gives you a better idea of =
the overall image/bulb placement/ etc.?

Thanks for your help.

Andrew M. Riter
Head Lighting Technician
Chan Centre for the Performing Arts
University of British Columbia
6265 Crescent Road
Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1
604-822-2372
604-822-1606 fax
chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca


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You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in =
obscurity what it lacks in style
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead
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Message-ID: <90d9c9980603191350i45df358bx316cbd3136fa739a [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:50:51 -0500
From: "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: USITT Stagecraft gathering??

greetings all,
did I miss a posting? Are we having a stagecraft list get-together in
Louisville?

--
Take care, Scott

=09Scott C. Parker
=09Professor/Technical Director
=09Dept. of Performing Arts
=09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
=09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
=09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
=09New York, NY 10038
=09212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:50:46 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
In-reply-to: <list-28629116 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060319134901.01fa0190 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-28628711 [at] prxy.net> <list-28629116 [at] prxy.net>

At 01:28 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
>Now tell us what else they believe in if you dare...

A lot believe that the end is nigh, so there's no need to save the 
future for the kids, they'll all be in Heaven soon and leave the 
Earth to the rest of us sinners.


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand



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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0603191351r5edc5e98we7457810f674cd8 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:51:22 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Technical Timeline
In-Reply-To: <list-28598244 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-28598244 [at] prxy.net>

>>>>Some analogy to 'Phantom Mixing' in sound. I was opping for a fairly re=
nown
designer who said, and I quote, "Take it down one dB.  No, split the
difference."  It took me a while, but I finally figured out that the
director was saying "It should be quieter here", and the designer thought
that the level was fine.  Rather than try to convince the director, He gave
me a note over the headset, with the director standing right there, to
lower teh volume on that cue. <<<<


Straying slightly from the topic at hand, but not really...

This scenario also works well with audience folk. I always got a laugh
out of a buddy of mine, Brett, who (when serving as FOH OP), would
humor the blue hairs in the crowd on an almost nightly basis. When one
would approach his position and complain about the A/C being set too
cold (vice versa) he'd comply with a "no problem, I'll get that fixed
for ya'". He'd then proceed to run an unused slider/fader (pre-labeled
"Air Conditioner") up/down, give a "how's that?", followed by a "thank
you young man". Worked everytime.

:)

-SS
TTS-EKU

"Just for the record...The weather today is slightly sarcastic with a
good chance of
A) Indifference  and  B) Disinterest in what the critics say"
 --BU

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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Firearms Regulations
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:53:48 -0700
Message-ID: <007701c64b9f$9a4bcce0$f5ee0918 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-28629509 [at] prxy.net>

Golly, in my meetings with the CPSC and their representative, and the ATF
and others who regulate, like OSHA and Coast Guard, who all have to do with
chemicals, there seems to be some changes spawned by the Homeland Security
approach to absolutely everything that moves, re: I moved to Colorado
recently, and applied for a drivers license and license plates. I offered my
birth certificate from Denver, having been born here, and it was refused,
with the explanation that the Homeland Security was tightening up (
wonderful phrase). I offered my other clearances having worked with many
U.S. Govt organizations which shall remain sort of nameless, and I do have a
Defense Dept. clearance for some work .... no way Jose. Ah the vagaries of
government ... so I can commiserate with you, but have no solution, but I am
interested in your personal experience take on all of these groups. 
Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Durand
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:47 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Firearms Regulations

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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At 01:01 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
>Perhaps if I passed on your private comments, sotto voce to people I know,
>selectively, there might be some changes, or do I come off as too naive. ?
>doom

The following is related to pyrotechnics, but applies to many other
fields...

[rant on]

The most important thing is CONSISTANCY in the rules.  Why is it 
legal for a gun owner to have 50 pounds in his house while I can't 
have any detectable quantity?  Either the stuff is dangerous or it 
isn't.  Pick one, enforce the choice.

Why is the Consumer Product Safety Commission saying that chemicals 
that the ATF and other agencies say are perfectly legal to buy, 
store, and own are illegal to sell?  Since when are raw chemicals 
consumer products?  The CPSC claims that the chemical sellers will 
sell you combinations that COULD be made into illegal explosives and 
are siting sellers.  If the items are illegal TO MAKE, arrest the 
people making them, NOT the people selling a wide range of otherwise 
legal items that might be used in the wrong way.  Now, if the seller 
states these items are for making illegal items or sells a "kit", 
then the seller is also guilty, otherwise he's just a seller of 
chemicals and other supplies for legal purposes.

Why are government agencies (like police) not required to lock up 
explosives to the same extent as the rest of are?  Why are the 
inevitable thefts from those same agencies counted as proof that the 
rest of us aren't securing things well?

Why are government agencies constantly found using ILLEGAL explosives 
(even high explosives) in their demonstrations of how dangerous 
consumer fireworks are?  A consumer firecracker will NOT blow up a 
watermelon along with the table it's sitting on.  MOST consumer 
fireworks injuries are burns from sparklers and percentage-wise, it's 
one of the safer hobbies (CPSC's own records).


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:02:41 -0500
Message-ID: <003b01c64ba0$d8112290$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-28629592 [at] prxy.net>

 
> At 01:28 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
> >Now tell us what else they believe in if you dare...
> 
> A lot believe that the end is nigh

...And if ever there's been a self-fulfilling prophesy....


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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:10:40 -0500
Subject: Re: SCR effects on Incoming voltage?
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C0434110.A884%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-28603212 [at] prxy.net>

http://www.strandlighting.com/US/Index.htm

On 3/18/06 8:12 PM, "Chris Warner" <cdw.lighting [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I have inherited some CD80 dimmers, some of which were non-dims and were
> needed as dimmers.  What are the effects on feeds using a non-dim (which
> does not have a choke) as a dimmer?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Chris
> 

-- 
Steve Shelley
(212) 865-2969 home
(917) 334-7625 cell
(212) 749-9117 fax
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:13:13 -0500
Message-ID: <004101c64ba2$50da0b50$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-28629441 [at] prxy.net>


 
> Someone once said that if you aren't a socialist under the 
> age of 30 you have no 
> heart and if you aren't when you are over 30 you have no 
> brain but I actually 
> disagree...

One of the most honorable people I've ever known was a conservative city
councilman in Houston.  I didn't agree with him on a damned thing (except
government arts funding, of which he, interestingly, was in favor) but if
I'd lived in his district, I'd've voted for him.


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060319152610.00d35050 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:26:10
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Construction of Stage Flats

>...Angela Lansbury on stage, the light pipe came crashing down
>..missed her and her co star and they just went on singing.

I'm probably not the only lister that remembers a ten foot piece of lumber
coming of the top of a set piece during the studio gag in 'The Buddy Holly
Story' (I think we were in Pasedena that was caught, on the way down,
without missing a beat, by our own Norm Petty.  He casually set the lumber
down against the set that it had fallen off without taking his eyes off the
actor he was speaking his lines to, and without breaking character.  We
panicked, wondering how that set piece was going to fly out, and the next
one in, without crashes and thumps.  I decided that I would dash out in the
blackout, grab the wood, and dash back to the SM to give the clear.  He
wouldn't give the next light cue or any rail cues until that happened.
Lights went black, I started across the stage, and immedieately ran into
Norm, who handed me the wayward art.
Ya can't train actors like that, they have to be brilliant from birth.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:33:42 -0700
Message-ID: <008401c64ba5$2fb0a2b0$f5ee0918 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-28629592 [at] prxy.net>

Yes, the Porousia or Last Days, or Rapture: and here the story gets a tad
bit jocular: entered a car the other day for a ride, a friend of mine said.
A woman offered him a ride to one of his stores. Where the glove box is
situated in the car was a brass plate and in very graphic letters: YOU RIDE
IN THIS CAR AT YOUR OWN PERIL. WHEN THE RAPTURE COMES, I WILL BE GONE
IMMEDIATELY. 
I respect her belief. 
My friend was a tad bit dubious, and he said: It seems to me that you
possibly would need a sun roof or a convertible. 

Not a good reply, because in her religious ardor, she ordered him out of the
car. 
Well, so much for trying to think about heavy events in our lives. Doom   

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Durand
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:51 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

At 01:28 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
>Now tell us what else they believe in if you dare...

A lot believe that the end is nigh, so there's no need to save the 
future for the kids, they'll all be in Heaven soon and leave the 
Earth to the rest of us sinners.


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060319153920.00d35050 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:39:20
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap

>The community asked for something more acceptable
>to them, not that the theater program be shut down.

Greg, I'm with you right up until the article quoted referred to a handful
of members of a religious organization making the request, not a large
cross-section of the community.  Theatre is supposed to play a large part
of the equation, "Those that don't learn history are sentenced to repeat
it."  Feeling that way, I had a bit of an issue with a religious
organization balking at a play about the Salem witch trials, especially as
they aplly to the McCarthy hearings.
The gist of the article is that a few people who didn't like it were making
'artistic freedom' decisions for the rest of the community, as I read it.
That makes a bunch of us artistic types cringe, as well it should.  
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net
Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:38:00 -0500
Message-ID: <004201c64ba5$c716e010$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-28630794 [at] prxy.net>

=20
> Where the glove box is situated in the car=20
> was a brass plate and in very graphic letters: YOU RIDE IN=20
> THIS CAR AT YOUR OWN PERIL. WHEN THE RAPTURE COMES, I WILL BE=20
> GONE IMMEDIATELY.=20
> I respect her belief.

I had a good friend in college who used to worry, seriously, about =
giving me
a ride, for that very reason.  It was quite endearing, because it was =
100%
honest.  I still think about her; I hope life worked out well for her.


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060319154228.00d35050 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:42:28
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Interesting (dream) Job Posting

> No one will tell you what to do or challenge your ideas.
>Instead, you will tell the staff and worship team what they need to
>do, where they need to stand, what microphones they will use and more.

You will wear togas of silk, bearing my image!  You will worship me and
bring me chocalate.  Those amongst you who are the most skilled will attain
the honor of being my baristi!  You will... what?  Oh, sorry, I
misunderstood.  Nevermind...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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In-Reply-To: <list-28623405 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-28623405 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <aba8386547852ffb213eaf15ad132494 [at] ucla.edu>
From: Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: WAS Re: Article of fall protection NOW Weather
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:17:48 -0800

This man has never spent spring in Alaska.


On Mar 19, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Bruce Purdy wrote:

>> Cold weather, I like to say, keeps the bugs small and keeps the 
>> riff-raff
> <out!


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Message-ID: <20060320023640.68677.qmail [at] web51702.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:36:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Norman Lazarus <normanlazarus [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MO drama teacher resigns in play flap
In-Reply-To: <list-28616309 [at] prxy.net>

In the news articles I read, the complaints regarding
Grease and some of the scenes in it were made by a
“handful” of members of a local church. They did not
appear to be speaking for anyone other than
themselves, not the community or even a portion of it.
I feel they used undue influence to force change. How
else could a small group of individuals pressure a
school principal to talk to the teacher about changing
the show? Or to force that teacher to quit when she
voiced her concerns.

As for the need for more milder material to respect
the community’s desire to protect the innocence of the
children I have to ask, how much more milder do you
need to get. Are the caricatures of teens in the
1950’s really going to make the children who watch the
show want to drink and smoke? Are the parents
incapable of teaching their children the difference
between pretend and real life? 

The community did not want the teacher to change the
musical from Grease to something more appropriate. A
very small group of people from one church did. If
that small group can force this type of change, they
may just as easily stifle the opinions those people
who had no problem with Grease. Forcing them to run
the risk of the same type of intimidation from those
same churchgoers.

There was a much simpler solution, if you found it
objectionable, don’t go to see it. No one is forcing
you. If the box office sales suffered then the school
would have to think about what show they would
perform.

It's too bad that the principal got hung up by the
opinions of a very small group of people, when he
should have talked to the community first. Before
taking any action. 



__________________________________________________
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From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <313.8b6097.314f707d [at] aol.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:42:05 EST
Subject: USITT return trip?

Just wondering if anyone might be driving to the Central Florida area  
following the USITT Conference in Louisville that would have room for a  passenger.  
I have a flight up but not a return as of yet.  Looking to  cut costs a bit.  
Could help with fuel costs and even some driving.   Please contact off list.
 
Thanks,
 
Steve Vanciel
Orlando, FL

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From: "Dennis Dorn" <dldorn [at] wisc.edu>
Subject: Entertainment Industry Drafting Survey
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:07:38 -0600
Message-ID: <PHEDIBALPFGIFABPPDKGOENJCJAA.dldorn [at] wisc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-28403476 [at] prxy.net>


There is currently a web-based survey being conducted that would benefit
greatly from list member responses. Perhaps you are already aware of it from
some other means of contact, since the survey was sent to USITT, CITT and
ESTA member mailing lists. If you weren't contact initially or have not yet
responded, and/or would be interested in responding, please go to the
following address:

 https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=647971856606

The survey takes approximately 10-15 minutes to complete and is seeking
information, both demographic and methodological, about drafter preferences
and practices. It is open to folks from all entertainment-related industries
or organizations, both design and technical. Already 430 individuals have
responded, but that just cracks the surface. Please take a few minutes and
let your voice be known. And help Don Schneider, 3rd-year MFA technology
student at UW-Madison, complete his thesis on time for a May graduation.

Thanks everyone....Dennis Dorn

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