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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 28616337; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 03:01:25 -0800 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.0 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #735 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 03:00:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #735 1. Re: Technical Timeline by "Matthew Breton" 2. Re: Technical Timeline by Charles Fraser 3. Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap by Theatre Safety Programs 4. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap by "Ryan Bible" 5. Re: Avab Dimmers by "Aaron W. Braun" 6. Re: Avab Dimmers by Steve Shelley 7. Tricking directors...was tech timeline by b Ricie 8. Building Cues Live (was tech timeline) by Kim Hartshorn 9. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap by "RD" 10. Re: Firearms Regulations by "RD" 11. Re: Firearms Regulations by "RD" 12. Re: Firearms Regulations by Jerry Durand 13. Electricians needed-last minute call by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 14. Re: Firearms Regulations by "RD" 15. Re: Technical Timeline by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 17. lighting changes by "David R. Krajec" 18. Re: lighting changes by "RD" 19. good book gift from LD's by "David R. Krajec" 20. WAS Re: Article of fall protection NOW Weather by "kosteral [at] juno.com" 21. Re: Technical Timeline by CB 22. Re: Conversion tables (was: Re: Article of fall protection) by CB 23. Re: Technical Timeline by CB 24. Re: Construction of Stage Flats by shifting [at] shifting.ca (Benjamin Eastep) 25. Re: Construction of Stage Flats by "RD" 26. Re: Construction of Stage Flats by Jerry Durand 27. Re: Construction of Stage Flats by "RD" 28. Re: Construction of Stage Flats by "RD" 29. Australia and massive explosions. by Clive Mitchell 30. Re: Rental Elevator by Clive Mitchell 31. Re: Australia and massive explosions. by Andy Ciddor 32. SCR effects on Incoming voltage? by "Chris Warner" 33. University of Arkansas at Little Rock by Shelly A Ford 34. Re: Construction of Stage Flats by Jim Hyslop 35. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap by Kevin Lee Allen 36. Re: Firearms Regulations by Dale Farmer 37. Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap by Greg Persinger 38. Interesting (dream) Job Posting by "Ben Blackburn" <2blackburns [at] gmail.com> *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: Re: Technical Timeline Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 06:55:49 -0500 >the LD felt a lack of direction and needed more. just "I don't feel a strong sense of direction" is sometimes a code-phrase for having other problems with the production, which might be entirely unrelated to you -- but, couching it that way would be a sign of insecurity, yes. "Lack of direction" is a pretty unspecific complaint -- lack of artistic direction? Or is the LD referring to what he or she sees onstage, or among the group? Or it might have more to do with not having the inventory he or she wants, or the time, or the crew, to do it to their level of satisfaction. And, to open up a can of worms, in what way _should_ it be directed (at least in that person's eyes)? As for the notes you gave, they vary between the mechanical (specials on monologues) and the starting-to-get-underneath direction regarding mood (spooky) and tempo (slow and steady). I'm more interested in why we, as a group, are telling the story, with how the story unfolds, and how the audience identifies, and identifies with, the characters in it. You can't boil that down to a single sentence, though; sometimes you can't even put it on paper. That's why we're doing theater, instead of writing poetry -- because the passion of the play can't be understood any other way. Matthew Breton Technical Director Cambridge Family YMCA Theater (617) 447-5261 (cell) www.cambymca.org >From: Kate Daly >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: Technical Timeline >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:50:50 -0500 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > >> > I obviously meant to put an apostrophe and a trailing "s" at the end of >>the >> > last word, although wasting directors may well be an idea whose time >>has >> > come.... > >Here's a question. Last show I directed, I had an LD whose vision and skill >I trusted more than I trusted myself to micro-manage the light design. For >one thing, I'm woefully ignorant about that's possible and what isn't. If I >ask for a thing, I have no idea, really, whether the LD will say >"piece-a-cake" or "are you on drugs?" > >So we sat down in the theater with the script and my notes, and I told her >"I need specials for these monologs, and the actors will be standing here" >and "in this scene I think it should look spooky" and "in general, all >fades should be slow except for these two fast blackouts." And then I said >"You're the pro, you know the show, you know my vision of it - go forth and >light design." And I backed away from it and left her to it. > >I thought I was deferring to her superior art in the light design area, but >my stage manager told me that the LD felt a lack of direction and needed >more. I was surprised. What do you think -- do you want a director keeping >a firmer hand on the wheel, or was my LD a little insecure? > >-Kate > > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <441C0A10.1060008 [at] charliefraser.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:24:32 -0500 From: Charles Fraser Subject: Re: Technical Timeline References: In-Reply-To: Kate, I have been on both sides of the fence and the hardest for me is directing and having someone else tend to the lights. As a designer and tech I have had micromanaging directors and LD's which drove me crazy I try to be more hands off I rarely sit behind my techs and always give at least 2 good notes for 1 bad. I have directed about 5 times over the year and I grit my teeth and let the LD do their work resisting the urge to do a light plot, dimmer schedule and cue sheets myself. I find I want general concepts from my directors and I will fill in the blanks. I have had one director come to me and said I want the stage lit in all blue and very very dim, we were doing "Mousetrap". I knew that was not feasible or practical, instead of the "are you crazy" comment I bit my tongue and said "let me do my design and I will show you what I come up with. I went a little heavier on the blue that I might have without his vision, but I set about being true to the playwright and the director's vision. He loved what I did, but if I got into a debate we would have had blue light that is very very dim. I think a good LD's job is to take the director's vision and put it into practice being true to the production as a whole. I remember reading a textbook many years ago with case studies and war stories Tharon Musser, a famous lighting designer once turn all of the lights off on stage for a Doug Henning production when the assistants and director was complaining you could still see Henning's hands, the director got the point ;-) Now, back to the question ;-) I think the if the LD didn't understand spooky, she should have pressed you further, thats what I do. I might have said "define spooky". Our show in production now, "Hamlet" the director told me "I want a ghost" well I gave him some options, gobo's rear projections, video, etc..... "I want a ghost" My cohort who designs the poster's, programs, and cards, sent me a jpg which I had made into a gobo and success. The director's job (or any of the management (LD, SM, TD, etc....) IMHO is to give good vision and instill confidence in the staff. A good LD is to take that and put it into concept. Your original idea of what should happen is right. Charlie Kate Daly wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> > I obviously meant to put an apostrophe and a trailing "s" at the >> end of the >> > last word, although wasting directors may well be an idea whose >> time has >> > come.... > > > Here's a question. Last show I directed, I had an LD whose vision and > skill I trusted more than I trusted myself to micro-manage the light > design. For one thing, I'm woefully ignorant about that's possible > and what isn't. If I ask for a thing, I have no idea, really, whether > the LD will say "piece-a-cake" or "are you on drugs?" > > So we sat down in the theater with the script and my notes, and I told > her "I need specials for these monologs, and the actors will be > standing here" and "in this scene I think it should look spooky" and > "in general, all fades should be slow except for these two fast > blackouts." And then I said "You're the pro, you know the show, you > know my vision of it - go forth and light design." And I backed away > from it and left her to it. > > I thought I was deferring to her superior art in the light design > area, but my stage manager told me that the LD felt a lack of > direction and needed more. I was surprised. What do you think -- do > you want a director keeping a firmer hand on the wheel, or was my LD a > little insecure? > > -Kate > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060318080638.022014d0 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:08:19 -0700 From: Theatre Safety Programs Subject: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap I didn't make this up -- how's that for artistic freedom in the 21st century Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap March 18, 2006 9:24 AM EST COLUMBIA, Mo. - A central Missouri high school drama teacher whose spring play was canceled after complaints about tawdry content in one of her previous productions will resign rather than face a possible firing. "It became too much to not be able to speak my mind or defend my students without fear or retribution," said Fulton High School teacher Wendy DeVore. DeVore's students were to perform Arthur Miller's "The Crucible," a drama set during the 17th Century Salem witch trials. But after a handful of Callaway Christian Church members complained about scenes in the fall musical "Grease" that showed teens smoking, drinking and kissing, Superintendent Mark Enderle told DeVore to find a more family-friendly substitute. DeVore chose Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream," a classic romantic comedy with its own dicey subject matter, including suicide, rape and losing one's virginity. DeVore, 31, a six-year veteran teacher, said administrators told her that her annual contract might not be renewed. "Maybe I need to find a school that's a better match," she said. Both Enderle and the high school principal declined to discuss DeVore's resignation, citing privacy concerns. The resignation must still be approved by the school board. Publicity over the drama debate, including a front-page story in The New York Times, has cast an unflattering light on Fulton as an intolerant small town, several of DeVore's colleagues said. "We have become a laughingstock," teacher Paula Fessler told The Fulton Sun. from the AP Jerry Gorrell Theatre Safety Programs ------------------------------ Message-ID: <16956f6b0603180726w6208b6ej80912e0c01dfb756 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:26:41 -0500 From: "Ryan Bible" Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap In-Reply-To: References: its sad, simply sad... On 3/18/06, Theatre Safety Programs wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I didn't make this up -- how's that for artistic freedom in the 21st cent= ury > > Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap > March 18, 2006 9:24 AM EST > COLUMBIA, Mo. - A central Missouri high school drama teacher whose > spring play was canceled after complaints about tawdry content in one > of her previous productions will resign rather than face a possible firin= g. > > "It became too much to not be able to speak my mind or defend my > students without fear or retribution," said Fulton High School > teacher Wendy DeVore. > > DeVore's students were to perform Arthur Miller's "The Crucible," a > drama set during the 17th Century Salem witch trials. > > But after a handful of Callaway Christian Church members complained > about scenes in the fall musical "Grease" that showed teens smoking, > drinking and kissing, Superintendent Mark Enderle told DeVore to find > a more family-friendly substitute. > > DeVore chose Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream," a classic > romantic comedy with its own dicey subject matter, including suicide, > rape and losing one's virginity. > > DeVore, 31, a six-year veteran teacher, said administrators told her > that her annual contract might not be renewed. > > "Maybe I need to find a school that's a better match," she said. > > Both Enderle and the high school principal declined to discuss > DeVore's resignation, citing privacy concerns. The resignation must > still be approved by the school board. > > Publicity over the drama debate, including a front-page story in The > New York Times, has cast an unflattering light on Fulton as an > intolerant small town, several of DeVore's colleagues said. > > "We have become a laughingstock," teacher Paula Fessler told The Fulton S= un. > > from the AP > > Jerry Gorrell > Theatre Safety Programs > > > -- Ryan Bible 614-496-1075 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Aaron W. Braun" Subject: RE: Avab Dimmers Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:42:23 -0600 Message-ID: <001201c64aaa$ef321390$6501a8c0 [at] XP2600> In-Reply-To: Andrew, It has been a long time since I have seen one of these dimmers and I haven't found any cheat sheets in my stash regarding the 25-pin connector configuration for DMX. And now for something a little more useful... ETC bought AVAB a couple of years ago. I know this buy-out involved the console line, but I am not sure about the dimmer line. You may want to give ETC tech support a call (1-800-688-4116). They may have access to the information you need. Aaron Braun Ardee Design Group, LLC Nashville, TN -----Original Message----- Do any of you have any experience w. running AVAB DII dimmers w. DMX? My church bought 4 of the packs and we're having a bear of a time getting things working. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:58:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Avab Dimmers From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: It might be useful to contact avab america www.avab.com/ Or avab home http://www.avab.se Etc might provide more clarified direction http://www.avabcontrol.com/about.asp On 3/18/06 11:42 AM, "Aaron W. Braun" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Andrew, > > It has been a long time since I have seen one of these dimmers and I haven't > found any cheat sheets in my stash regarding the 25-pin connector > configuration for DMX. And now for something a little more useful... ETC > bought AVAB a couple of years ago. I know this buy-out involved the console > line, but I am not sure about the dimmer line. You may want to give ETC > tech support a call (1-800-688-4116). They may have access to the > information you need. > > Aaron Braun > Ardee Design Group, LLC > Nashville, TN > > -----Original Message----- > Do any of you have any experience w. running AVAB DII dimmers w. DMX? My > church bought 4 of the packs and we're having a bear of a time getting > things working. > -- Steve Shelley (212) 865-2969 home (917) 334-7625 cell (212) 749-9117 fax MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060318170659.2119.qmail [at] web50605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:06:59 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: Tricking directors...was tech timeline In-Reply-To: When I am building a set with a very needy director, I try to find the one set piece that he/she is concerned about. I will figure out how to work it early but not install it till the end of the build. I will just stall when asked about it..."yup were working on that, still have to figure out a few kinks." By distracting the director, the rest of the build will be smooth sailing. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060318133434.89gsf30o0gggk0ws [at] webmail.plattsburgh.edu> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:34:34 -0500 From: Kim Hartshorn Subject: Building Cues Live (was tech timeline) References: In-Reply-To: One thing I do that directors seem to like is to build cues, or looks, during live rehearsals. I have found that far from being disruptive to the rehearsal, it can often eliminate the need for a traditional dry tech or stop and go with actors. The benefit for the director is that they do not lose stage time at a crucial point in the rehearsal process. An additional benefit for the director is that they begin to see a synthesis of the production, scenery, lighting, blocking as opposed to an isolated...let me look at the actors...let me look at the lights point of view. A great benefit to the light designer is that the director sees the lights the way the audience sees the lights, in other words they really don't pay attention unless it looks really wrong, but afterwords they have a sense that the stage looked pretty cool (as in neat/nice/artistic). This technique also allows the light designer to more fully understand many timing and focus issues. For example there have been many times where I have seriously rethought a particular cue because once i actually had the board in front of me and the actors moving I realized how little consequence a partiuclar cue set may have been. When setting cues in a dry tech with a director you can't really fault them if what they are seeing is primarilly scenic lighting, it is hard enough for us designers not to do that. The main purpose of the dry tech for lights that most of us old guys remember was that we needed that time to figure out how we were going to be running the manual boards, planning the presets, which cues to do on individual dimmers and which were mastered. Those were the old old days when if you waited to figure that stuff out with actors on stage it could only turn very grumpy. The modern light desk has eliminated that traditional need for the dry tech. Now what we have started using the dry tech for, and have found extremely useful, is a dedicated piece of time approximately the same as the show where the crew can gather as a group for the first time. The department heads can take time to go over issues with their crews, the stage manager can organize, the TD can tape down a few things, the headsets can get put out and tested, the work lights can get set. Props can get everything in order. Holes in the planning or manning can be identified. In general it makes for a first technical rehearsal of very low stress. good luck Kim Hartshorn ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:36:27 -0700 Message-ID: <011101c64aba$de6ebe90$f5ee0918 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: I have been following this case for some time in the news, having lived many places in Missouri and having taught drama there .... and know of the problems. A very strong Missouri Lutheran Synod group there ....very strong. I had similar problems, wherever I directed, but managed to convince those who were in power and authority that we were working for the students. A friend of my who coauthored Inherit the Wind, had that problem when his plays were produced. Communities were just not ready for them. My Waiting for Godot and Bernarda Alba and several Brecht plays also had that problem. One has to know their audience and educate the community. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Theatre Safety Programs Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 8:08 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I didn't make this up -- how's that for artistic freedom in the 21st century Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap March 18, 2006 9:24 AM EST COLUMBIA, Mo. - A central Missouri high school drama teacher whose spring play was canceled after complaints about tawdry content in one of her previous productions will resign rather than face a possible firing. "It became too much to not be able to speak my mind or defend my students without fear or retribution," said Fulton High School teacher Wendy DeVore. DeVore's students were to perform Arthur Miller's "The Crucible," a drama set during the 17th Century Salem witch trials. But after a handful of Callaway Christian Church members complained about scenes in the fall musical "Grease" that showed teens smoking, drinking and kissing, Superintendent Mark Enderle told DeVore to find a more family-friendly substitute. DeVore chose Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream," a classic romantic comedy with its own dicey subject matter, including suicide, rape and losing one's virginity. DeVore, 31, a six-year veteran teacher, said administrators told her that her annual contract might not be renewed. "Maybe I need to find a school that's a better match," she said. Both Enderle and the high school principal declined to discuss DeVore's resignation, citing privacy concerns. The resignation must still be approved by the school board. Publicity over the drama debate, including a front-page story in The New York Times, has cast an unflattering light on Fulton as an intolerant small town, several of DeVore's colleagues said. "We have become a laughingstock," teacher Paula Fessler told The Fulton Sun. from the AP Jerry Gorrell Theatre Safety Programs ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Firearms Regulations Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:01:08 -0700 Message-ID: <012f01c64abe$5142c5d0$f5ee0918 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Because I am on so many committees with NFPA since 1970, I meet regularly with them, all year, and with the BATF groups, six of them. We last met in Pittsburgh a month ago, and I asked about the new ATF book, it is not ready yet, but will be out son. Dr. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:14 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Firearms Regulations For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- We have a spare copy of the ATF book "Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide 2005", anyone that wants it can have it for the cost of shipping. Several people I know with ATF explosives permits received this recently, it seems a bunch were sent out by mistake. Since we don't do guns (well, mortars for fireworks don't count), we don't need it. Contact me off-list. Publication #5300.4, September 2005, 244 pages. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Firearms Regulations Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:02:03 -0700 Message-ID: <013001c64abe$720b1b50$f5ee0918 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: I know that most of you meet with the local BATF people, fortunately I meet mostly with the Washington,D.C. group, many of whom are long time friends at the Bureau. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:14 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Firearms Regulations For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- We have a spare copy of the ATF book "Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide 2005", anyone that wants it can have it for the cost of shipping. Several people I know with ATF explosives permits received this recently, it seems a bunch were sent out by mistake. Since we don't do guns (well, mortars for fireworks don't count), we don't need it. Contact me off-list. Publication #5300.4, September 2005, 244 pages. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:08:03 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Firearms Regulations In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060318110217.01f58a68 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 11:01 AM 3/18/2006, you wrote: >Because I am on so many committees with NFPA since 1970, I meet regularly >with them, all year, and with the BATF groups, six of them. We last met in >Pittsburgh a month ago, and I asked about the new ATF book, it is not ready >yet, but will be out son. Dr. doom My point is that our permit does not cover firearms, only explosives. The last paper book of regulations on that is the "Orange Book" from 2000. Several pyros have said they also received this book, the ATF can't explain why. (For anyone confused, gun powder (smokeless and black) is not a dangerous explosive if you intend to use it in a gun. If you don't own a gun, then it's a dangerous explosive and a felony to have any quantity of unless you have an explosives permit and store it in a magazine way out in a field. Clear?) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: Electricians needed-last minute call Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:21:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c64ac1$308da2d0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: I need a coupla electricians on Thursday, 23 March, 2006, in Stamford, = CT (can provide transportation from NYC and you'll be paid for your travel = time from and to Manhattan. The gig pays $15/hour. Email me at jeff [at] jeffsalzberg.com No, Chris.... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Firearms Regulations Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:22:45 -0700 Message-ID: <014301c64ac1$5620ede0$f5ee0918 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Many of the regulations have changed, due to Homeland Security ...and sometimes people who work with certain explosives get into the mix from government regulations. Errors are made .... they say. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 12:08 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Firearms Regulations For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- At 11:01 AM 3/18/2006, you wrote: >Because I am on so many committees with NFPA since 1970, I meet regularly >with them, all year, and with the BATF groups, six of them. We last met in >Pittsburgh a month ago, and I asked about the new ATF book, it is not ready >yet, but will be out son. Dr. doom My point is that our permit does not cover firearms, only explosives. The last paper book of regulations on that is the "Orange Book" from 2000. Several pyros have said they also received this book, the ATF can't explain why. (For anyone confused, gun powder (smokeless and black) is not a dangerous explosive if you intend to use it in a gun. If you don't own a gun, then it's a dangerous explosive and a felony to have any quantity of unless you have an explosives permit and store it in a magazine way out in a field. Clear?) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2e5.4227b39.314dbc9d [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:42:21 EST Subject: Re: Technical Timeline In a message dated 18/03/06 04:31:31 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > You are fortunate to have rehearsals, probably with a full set, before dry > tech. Many of us are not that fortunate, we are lucky to have the set half > painted by dry tech. There is generally little or no chance of setting > even tentative light cues prior to that time. I know. And it's not always the case. Often the paint crew are working during rehearsals, and complain when I turn the lights down. Hell, sometimes the construction team are. But usually the base colours are applied, and the set will be substantially complete. And, of course, the actors are there, which gives me some idea of what my lighting will look like on them. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <231.8e227df.314dc049 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:58:01 EST Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap In a message dated 18/03/06 15:08:47 GMT Standard Time, theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com writes: > DeVore chose Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream," a classic > romantic comedy with its own dicey subject matter, including suicide, > rape and losing one's virginity. Is this really the play Shakespeare wrote? And what is wrong with "The Crucible"? It is a powerful drama written as a response to the McCarthy era. Maybe the locals wish that it were back. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: lighting changes Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:48:41 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Frank, What you're referring to is what some people call "French alterations". You take the note, go home and get a good nights sleep. The next day, when the director asks if you made the changes, you say, "yes." They then look at it and say, "Now isn't that better?" I have been accused of doing this but I have never done it. I take into consideration everything the director says and look at it after rehearal in my own time. I then tweek. However, I have experienced what you state. It just goes to show that lighting is subjective and is bound by time, life, mood and hundreds of other factors. It makes me wonder how we (the LD and director) are effected by a twelve hour tech in the dark. Is the cue written in the first hour as good as the last? Have we become over-tired, over-stimulated, over-caffeinated to do good work? Hmmm. DK -----Original Message----- There's a well known answer to this. You take it down a lot further, and when the response "No, no, that's too far. Bring it back up a bit" comes, you restore it to its previous level. It seldom fails. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu Subject: RE: lighting changes Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:55:28 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c64ace$4a23b3d0$f5ee0918 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Truth will out. Have we not all done this. The one I like the best it: a close friend of the Director, on Broadway, sees the show, and after it is all over, a real bomb, the friend comes up and pats the Director on the shoulder, and with a smile and great glee, say: Well, George, You did it again!" Pays your money takes your choice. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of David R. Krajec Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 1:49 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: lighting changes For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Frank, What you're referring to is what some people call "French alterations". You take the note, go home and get a good nights sleep. The next day, when the director asks if you made the changes, you say, "yes." They then look at it and say, "Now isn't that better?" I have been accused of doing this but I have never done it. I take into consideration everything the director says and look at it after rehearal in my own time. I then tweek. However, I have experienced what you state. It just goes to show that lighting is subjective and is bound by time, life, mood and hundreds of other factors. It makes me wonder how we (the LD and director) are effected by a twelve hour tech in the dark. Is the cue written in the first hour as good as the last? Have we become over-tired, over-stimulated, over-caffeinated to do good work? Hmmm. DK -----Original Message----- There's a well known answer to this. You take it down a lot further, and when the response "No, no, that's too far. Bring it back up a bit" comes, you restore it to its previous level. It seldom fails. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: good book gift from LD's Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:12:13 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: This could be a great "good show" present for some directors. Light on the Subject: Stage Lighting for directors and actors and the rest of us by David Hays (ISBN 0-87910-126-1) DK ------------------------------ From: "kosteral [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:23:27 GMT Subject: WAS Re: Article of fall protection NOW Weather Message-Id: <20060318.132425.9824.514580 [at] webmail56.nyc.untd.com> Believe it or not, there actually are some of us who prefer -10'F to +10= 0'F! I've spent my entire life living above 42'N latitude. Cold weathe= r, I like to say, keeps the bugs small and keeps the riff-raff out! Allison Koster LD/ATD Carleton College Northfield, MN Chris Babbie wrote: I would guess that more than fifty percent of the population of each of those cities would trade snowfall for a winter that didn't fall below 5 = or 10 degrees. = ________________________________________________________________________= Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060318143419.00d32a70 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:34:19 From: CB Subject: Re: Technical Timeline >There's a well known answer to this. You take it down a lot further, and when >the response "No, no, that's too far. Bring it back up a bit" comes, you >restore it to its previous level. It seldom fails. Some analogy to 'Phantom Mixing' in sound. I was opping for a fairly renown designer who said, and I quote, "Take it down one dB. No, split the difference." It took me a while, but I finally figured out that the director was saying "It should be quieter here", and the designer thought that the level was fine. Rather than try to convince the director, He gave me a note over the headset, with the director standing right there, to lower teh volume on that cue. Once we had run the cue at the 'new level', he' suggest as to how it might be too low at that point. If the director agreed with him, he'd give be the note to bump it up half a dB. Yup, half a dB. If he'da told me what he needed ahead of time, I'da been happy to have obliged, running the cue at the original value over and over again till the director thought it was low enough. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060318143625.00d32a70 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:36:25 From: CB Subject: Re: Conversion tables (was: Re: Article of fall protection) >Ahem, sir. >Lists in this instance is possessive and thus an apostrophe is called >for and would be List's. Likewise english should be capitalized using >the big letter E. I keep sayin' as to how I ain't qualified! ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060318144635.00d32a70 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:46:35 From: CB Subject: Re: Technical Timeline >I thought I was deferring to her superior art in the light design area, but >my stage manager told me that the LD felt a lack of direction and needed >more. I was surprised. What do you think -- do you want a director keeping >a firmer hand on the wheel, or was my LD a little insecure? Communication breakdown. Your LD should have been able to come to you and tell you that she wanted more direction, instead of telling the SM. Your cue was to go to the LD and (prolly over a beer or a coffee or sometheing casual) and suggest that you could provide lots more detailed direction if that's what she wanted, but you thought you'd allow her the artistic freedom to creat. At that point she should be able to tell you just how creative she feels like being. OTOH, I have designed cues for directors who down't want to make artistic decisions until cues have been recorded. "Nope, that's not it!" "Well, what would you like?" "Well, I'm not sure. I know that that one is wrong, though. Try some other things and bring them to me." Next day, "Nope, that's not it!" Either you know what you want, of you'll let me give you what you need. The whole "Bring me all of it and I'll pick out what I want" isn't a directorial style, its lack of vision. You aren't one of those, are you Kate? Somehow I didn't think so. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:23:52 -0700 Cc: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com Subject: Re: Construction of Stage Flats Message-ID: <20060318222352.GA29353 [at] shifting.ca> References: In-Reply-To: From: shifting [at] shifting.ca (Benjamin Eastep) Don't tell me I'm the only one having visions of sets crashing through the deck into the trap room... Ben Eastep On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 01:03:49AM -0800, NODEraser wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 3/15/06, Jon Ares wrote: > > > > Personally, I set forms, rig rebar, and pour concrete for my flats. > > > > Ok, not really, but if we're talking about "overkill" for theatre sets..... > > > > - Jon Ares > > www.hevanet.com/acreative > > > > Boy, are they a bitch to move... Fortunately, it's been a few years > since I was a freshling under Jon and I don't have to worry about > those things anymore. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Construction of Stage Flats Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:28:29 -0700 Message-ID: <006401c64adb$483f2970$f5ee0918 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: No, I am having nightmares with a sense of reality. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Benjamin Eastep Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 3:24 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com Subject: Re: Construction of Stage Flats For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Don't tell me I'm the only one having visions of sets crashing through the deck into the trap room... Ben Eastep On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 01:03:49AM -0800, NODEraser wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 3/15/06, Jon Ares wrote: > > > > Personally, I set forms, rig rebar, and pour concrete for my flats. > > > > Ok, not really, but if we're talking about "overkill" for theatre sets..... > > > > - Jon Ares > > www.hevanet.com/acreative > > > > Boy, are they a bitch to move... Fortunately, it's been a few years > since I was a freshling under Jon and I don't have to worry about > those things anymore. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:29:45 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Construction of Stage Flats In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Benjamin Eastep wrote: > Don't tell me I'm the only one having visions of sets crashing > through the > deck into the trap room... > I seem to remember a stage play a year or two ago where they featured their reality. The building walls were real brick! My wife and I worked on a play once with a brand new designer. All the flats were also 2x4 and sheet-rock, and he ran out of budget quite early on. Also, during the run one wall fell over. Missed all the actors, but made QUITE a crash. After a beat, one actor said "Earthquake!" (the play was set in San Francisco). Got a laugh and they went on, stepping over the remains of the wall. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Construction of Stage Flats Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:31:47 -0700 Message-ID: <007901c64adb$be9e0c80$f5ee0918 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: And jerry, there are other instances too horrific to mention in the past .... and some very humorous, but nonetheless not too good. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 3:30 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Construction of Stage Flats For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Benjamin Eastep wrote: > Don't tell me I'm the only one having visions of sets crashing > through the > deck into the trap room... > I seem to remember a stage play a year or two ago where they featured their reality. The building walls were real brick! My wife and I worked on a play once with a brand new designer. All the flats were also 2x4 and sheet-rock, and he ran out of budget quite early on. Also, during the run one wall fell over. Missed all the actors, but made QUITE a crash. After a beat, one actor said "Earthquake!" (the play was set in San Francisco). Got a laugh and they went on, stepping over the remains of the wall. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Construction of Stage Flats Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:33:49 -0700 Message-ID: <007a01c64adc$078cb400$f5ee0918 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Perhaps not as horrendous as the one in NYC on Broadway during the first Sweeny Todd ...Angela Lansbury on stage, the light pipe came crashing down ..missed her and her co star and they just went on singing. Beats hell out of meat pies. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 3:30 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Construction of Stage Flats For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Benjamin Eastep wrote: > Don't tell me I'm the only one having visions of sets crashing > through the > deck into the trap room... > I seem to remember a stage play a year or two ago where they featured their reality. The building walls were real brick! My wife and I worked on a play once with a brand new designer. All the flats were also 2x4 and sheet-rock, and he ran out of budget quite early on. Also, during the run one wall fell over. Missed all the actors, but made QUITE a crash. After a beat, one actor said "Earthquake!" (the play was set in San Francisco). Got a laugh and they went on, stepping over the remains of the wall. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:32:35 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Australia and massive explosions. I know it's quite common for the Yanks to run off into the middle of their desert with truckloads of home made pyro and have spontaneous "Megablasts". But does the same thing occur in the Australian desert? Or is Australia one of these places that clamps down on dangerous fun? (Still deciding which country is worth emigrating to.) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:48:55 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Rental Elevator References: In-Reply-To: In message , Stephen E. Rees writes >Hi All, >Am seeking to rent or borrow a smallish single person elevator for our >production of Wizard of OZ. Max vertical travel is 8'-0". Depth of >opening in deck is 32", and the width could be up to 42" or so. Will >consider any mechanization method. If we have to build it ourselves, >we would do a hand operated winch but motorized is fine too. Have >access to 110 and 208 nearby. This is where it could have been quite handy to roll in a ribbon lift. Just use it sensibly to avoid any nasty incidents. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20060319100634.032f7e80 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:24:42 +1100 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: Australia and massive explosions. In-Reply-To: At 09:32 19.03.2006, Clive Mitchell wrote: >I know it's quite common for the Yanks to run off into the middle of their >desert with truckloads of home made pyro and have spontaneous >"Megablasts". But does the same thing occur in the Australian desert? Or >is Australia one of these places that clamps down on dangerous fun? About 50 years ago, Maralinga, in the South Australian desert was used by the Brits to test their nuclear weapons. (We're still clearing up that mess). Woomera and nearby parts of the SA desert are still used as (non-nuclear) weapons, missile and rocket test ranges by governments, universities and overseas corporations. Several places in the north of Oz are used as bombing test ranges for both Australian and "allied" (US) air forces. Mining companies throughout Oz detonate hundreds of thousands of tons of commercial explosives in their efforts to turn the continent into one large quarry. (Oz is a significant exporter of Iron Ore, Bauxite, Uranium, Lead, Zinc, Tin, Silver, etc, etc) I'm sure that there are many dangerous recreational blasts set off on dad's farm as part of rural boys booze-ups. However, I'm not aware of any groups that get together to set off "Megablasts" for the hell of it. But maybe that's because just I don't get out enough. Andy ------------------------------ From: "Chris Warner" Subject: SCR effects on Incoming voltage? Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:12:19 -0800 Message-ID: <006101c64af2$2bd94c40$6d01a8c0 [at] CHRISLAPTOP> I have inherited some CD80 dimmers, some of which were non-dims and were needed as dimmers. What are the effects on feeds using a non-dim (which does not have a choke) as a dimmer? Thanks in advance Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:11:09 -0500 (EST) From: Shelly A Ford Subject: University of Arkansas at Little Rock Message-id: <6696945.1142730669961.JavaMail.lumadmin [at] northshore> If anyone has information or experience regarding UALR, please contact meofflist. Thanks, Shelly ------------------------------ Message-ID: <441CBC0C.9030806 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:03:56 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Construction of Stage Flats References: In-Reply-To: Benjamin Eastep wrote: > Don't tell me I'm the only one having visions of sets crashing through the > deck into the trap room... Nah - they beef up the support with 36" steel I-beams. No problem. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:14:45 -0500 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap In-reply-to: Message-id: References: as well they should be. On Mar 18, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Theatre Safety Programs wrote: > "We have become a laughingstock," teacher Paula Fessler told The =20 > Fulton Sun. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <441CC5BB.9070104 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:45:15 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: Firearms Regulations References: In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 11:01 AM 3/18/2006, you wrote: >> Because I am on so many committees with NFPA since 1970, I meet regularly >> with them, all year, and with the BATF groups, six of them. We last >> met in >> Pittsburgh a month ago, and I asked about the new ATF book, it is not >> ready >> yet, but will be out son. Dr. doom > > My point is that our permit does not cover firearms, only explosives. > The last paper book of regulations on that is the "Orange Book" from 2000. > > Several pyros have said they also received this book, the ATF can't > explain why. > > (For anyone confused, gun powder (smokeless and black) is not a > dangerous explosive if you intend to use it in a gun. If you don't own > a gun, then it's a dangerous explosive and a felony to have any quantity > of unless you have an explosives permit and store it in a magazine way > out in a field. Clear?) > > > From where I sit, the ATF is just a clueless as many of the other federal agencies. They write contradictory regulations, fine or jail you for not following the other one. Their agents don't know their own regulations, and if you follow their advice, which turns out to be against another of their regulations, you are the one who gets to go to jail. This ignoring the unethical and lazy ones who spend their time chasing after small time players for obscure bookkeeping errors, and ignoring the cowboys who think they are more badass than dirty harry callahan and smarter than the characters on CSI. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 01:23:26 -0600 Subject: Re: Mo. Drama Teacher Resigns in Play Flap From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: on 3/18/06 12:36 PM, RD at doomster [at] worldnet.att.net wrote: > > I have been following this case for some time in the news, having lived many > places in Missouri and having taught drama there .... and know of the > problems. A very strong Missouri Lutheran Synod group there ....very strong. I grew up 30 miles from where this incident took place and that particular county is very conservative but is more strongly non-denominational then Lutheran. It is not that they are so opposed to the arts or the subject matter in any of the plays mentioned, but instead are very dedicated to the innocence of their children and would rather see a milder subject matter for the high school students to present. Adult actors could do these plays without any controversy and have performed much racier things in this area without incident. The people in this area have chosen to live and raise family's there because of its slower pace, low crime rate, low cost of living, and the conservative moral convictions of the people in the area. Just as many on this list feel very strongly that these people are crazy for their beliefs, they feel just as strongly that they have the right to fight against what they feel is a negative influence on their children. As Doom mentioned some communities are not accepting of some subject matters. You either find what works well in your community and present it or you will always be fighting a battle. Yes the town is intolerant as it was unwilling to endure plays that went against their values, which is their right, but the drama teacher is just as intolerant pushing her "artistic" choices as she was unwilling to choose different material that would be better accepted by the community. I think she was correct in saying she needed to find a better match in schools as to where to teach. One that would support the material she desired to produce. Essentially the people of the area fought against "artistic freedom" to protect their freedom to raise their children in the best manner they see fit. Artistic freedom lost as it was a lower priority for the people of the area. Is this so terrible? The community asked for something more acceptable to them, not that the theater program be shut down. The teacher said no, the community said they didn't want what she was offering and canceled her play. They didn't ban Grease from ever being performed in town or try to legislate what type of plays can be written, it never even was an issue outside of their town, they just asked for something that was more reflective of their conservative values. Something that better fit them. Of course this wouldn't go over very well in most larger cities and it probably wouldn't even be up for discussion in New York City, but this is why these people live in Fulton, MO. They don't want to be New York and they certainly don't have New York tastes in art and obviously "artistic freedom" for high school theater is not high on their priority list. There are lots of great plays that could have been done that would have appeased the community and have been just as fun for the kids. Isn't that what high school theater is all about. Getting to experience performing and all of the things that come with live theater and having a good time doing it. It's too bad that this teacher got hung up on what she couldn't do instead of thinking that the show must go on and being creative and dedicated to finding a great show that the kids would have fun doing and the community would accept and enjoy as well. Greg Persinger ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9ba146c80603190045k77300f2bv8de789012511850c [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 00:45:05 -0800 From: "Ben Blackburn" <2blackburns [at] gmail.com> Subject: Interesting (dream) Job Posting http://www.craigslist.org/eby/tfr/142554991.html Here's a snippet ----------- We are a small church, so right now, we just offer complete and total control over the sound system and sound mixing in the church. You will be in charge. No one will tell you what to do or challenge your ideas. Instead, you will tell the staff and worship team what they need to do, where they need to stand, what microphones they will use and more. A salary will be considered as the church grows and gains the ability to pay. Salary will be in accordance to skill and performance... So, if you want to be a huge fish in a small pond, if you want to have absolute freedom and control, if you want to be the one to tell us what to do, instead of being told what to do, and if you have the skills and ability to back all this up, we want you. Come on over and show us what you can do. -------------- Wonder how long till that will last! Thought ya'll might enjoy a laugh. Later, Ben Blackburn KE6GWF Etc. ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #735 *****************************