Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 25729430; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 03:01:47 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 03:00:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #600 1. Actor snaps over ringing mobile by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 2. Masonite redux by IAEG [at] aol.com 3. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by "Bill Nelson" 4. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by "Jon Ares" 5. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by "julie fox" 6. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by Dale Farmer 7. Re: Rigging Certification by Jim Hyslop 8. Re: Rigging Certification by Bill Sapsis 9. Re: Rigging Certification by Jim Hyslop 10. Re: Rigging Certification - Done and Done! by Greg Williams 11. Re: Finally colored bubbles..can fog be far behind? by Joe 12. Undeliverable mail: Re: Pardon my French by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 13. Re: Rigging Certification by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 14. Re: "Not for Lifting" ratings on hardware by CB 15. Re: Rigging Certification by CB 16. Re: In reference to Rigging Certification. by CB 17. Re: In reference to Rigging Certification. by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: "Not for Lifting" ratings on hardware by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 19. Gauge question by Jerry Durand 20. The Problem at Hand by Paul Marsland 21. In reference to ....Revox by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 22. Re: "Not for Lifting" ratings on hardware by Delbert Hall 23. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by "Bill Nelson" 24. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by Jim Hyslop 25. Re: "Not for Lifting" ratings on hardware by "Bill Nelson" 26. Graduate Programs by Justin Ames 27. Re: Walt Disney World Audio Visual Dept by Jason Tollefson 28. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by Dale Farmer 29. Re: Walt Disney World Audio Visual Dept by Dale Farmer 30. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by "Chris Warner" 31. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by "Jon Ares" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: Actor snaps over ringing mobile Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:26:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c5f28d$16e11f10$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: ================================================= Actor Richard Griffiths ordered a woman out of his West End play, after her mobile phone rang for the third time. The performance of Heroes at Wyndham's theatre was nearing the end when Griffiths asked her: "Is that it, or will it be ringing some more?" ================================================= More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4458810.stm If I ever have the honor of working with Mr. Griffiths, I will buy him several pints. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <249.226a1d6.30b9bd32 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:29:22 EST Subject: Masonite redux If you recall, , the topic of "Masonite" and it's existance as a specific name brand product has been a discussion here in the past. You might find it interesting that Masonite , an upscale residential pre hung door company is building it's corporate HQ about a mile from me here in Tampa on Dale Mabry, on the site of the former, well known Malio's Steak House. They've come a long way, , , best regards, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2460.208.51.52.34.1133014839.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:20:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile From: "Bill Nelson" > Actor Richard Griffiths ordered a woman out of his West End play, after > her mobile phone rang for the third time. Hm. Shouldn't the ushers have made sure that the person exited the auditorium and turned off their phone before allowing that person back into the performance? Even better would be confiscating the phone until after the performance. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c5f29c$a21b1130$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:18:19 -0800 > Hm. Shouldn't the ushers have made sure that the person exited the > auditorium and turned off their phone before allowing that person back > into the performance? Even better would be confiscating the phone until > after the performance. Y'know, it really cheezes me when someone flippantly makes a remark such as, "The usher(s) should have taken care of that." Could it be that it would equally or even more distracting to have an usher or two, wading into the midst of a 20-seat deep row of patrons to descend upon, or wrestle the phone out of the hands of a patron? Nasty looks from fellow patrons is much less distracting and much more effective. Sometimes having an egotistical actor throw a tantrum is a great way to lessen the tension, too. :) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004101c5f2a1$2e8769d0$537230d5 [at] missingldbctt1> From: "julie fox" References:

Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:50:53 -0000 Oh I so agree - any attempt to eject an audience member during a show at the Wyndhams would be hugely disruptive. However once might be an error (not acceptible I know), but still an error - but three times for heavens sakes I'm surprised that fellow audience members didnt take action. I think its a bit unfair to describe Richard Griffiths as "egotistical" and accuse him of "throwing a tantrum". He is after all a very respected actor, perhaps a bit "old school" but nevertheless perfectly entitled to show his concern at the disruption of the rest of the audience's enjoyment of his performance! Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Ares" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Hm. Shouldn't the ushers have made sure that the person exited the > > auditorium and turned off their phone before allowing that person back > > into the performance? Even better would be confiscating the phone until > > after the performance. > > > Y'know, it really cheezes me when someone flippantly makes a remark such as, > "The usher(s) should have taken care of that." Could it be that it would > equally or even more distracting to have an usher or two, wading into the > midst of a 20-seat deep row of patrons to descend upon, or wrestle the phone > out of the hands of a patron? Nasty looks from fellow patrons is much less > distracting and much more effective. > > Sometimes having an egotistical actor throw a tantrum is a great way to > lessen the tension, too. :) > > - Jon Ares > www.hevanet.com/acreative > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 25/11/05 > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4388893C.3C611CDF [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:11:40 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile References:

Bill Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Actor Richard Griffiths ordered a woman out of his West End play, after > > her mobile phone rang for the third time. > > Hm. Shouldn't the ushers have made sure that the person exited the > auditorium and turned off their phone before allowing that person back > into the performance? Even better would be confiscating the phone until > after the performance. > > Bill Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, third time is enemy action. I think that his action, while a bit over the top, is not unjustified. I was at a stand up comic's performance and when someone's cell phone rang, she spent the next several minutes talking about cell phone inappropriateness. It was, of course, extremely funny and while she was doing it, I noticed many folks in the audience pulling out their phones and turning them off. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43888874.20700 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:08:20 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Rigging Certification References: In-Reply-To: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com wrote: > For electricians, we are leaning toward a tiered approach. > Perhaps a basic knowledge section followed by up to three separate branches. That would be good. Your general LX tech should know how to correctly wire up twist lock connectors (as an example) - that's pretty much a basic skill applicable to pretty much every venue. However, not every electrician will necessarily need to know how to tie into a building's electrical supply: that's a more advanced skill. > One possibility would be to distinguish between the skills required to be > a power distribution electrician and those needed to be a signal / data > distribution electrician. This does not preclude the tiered approach - you can have both the tiered approach and the categorized approach (high voltage vs. low voltage, so to speak). Again, you can have different levels of signal/data technicians - those who know how to run CAT5 cable (i.e. how to avoid RFI) and how to put connectors on them, through to those who understand issues such as the DMX512 discussion earlier this month, with a thorough understanding of impedance, digital signal propagation, etc. These people don't need to know how to wire up a 120V 20A twist lock connector. > ETCP Electric Skills Working Group member (& Rigging Group also) > ESTA Essential Skills Working Group member By the way - what does ESTA stand for? I scoured the web site and didn't see anything. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:18:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Rigging Certification From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Entertainment Services and Technology Association. The website is Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 11/26/05 11:08 AM, "Jim Hyslop" wrote: > By the way - what does ESTA stand for? I scoured the web site and didn't > see anything. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43888D8D.2080602 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:30:05 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Rigging Certification References: In-Reply-To: Bill Sapsis wrote: > Entertainment Services and Technology Association. The website is > Huh - there it is, right on the main page. I don't know how I missed it before . Thanks! -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:43:46 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Rigging Certification - Done and Done! In-reply-to: Message-id: <5CD2D66F-D8F7-4F87-932A-572627CAA40E [at] appstate.edu> References:

Now that we've all given Bill an extremely small token of the accolades that he and the other SME's, RWG's, etc deserve, let's swerve this off-topic just a bit to yet another subject near and dear to his (and many other's) heart. Warning: Blatant non-commercial charitable request to follow! On Nov 26, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Jim Hyslop wrote: > Bill Sapsis wrote: >> Entertainment Services and Technology Association. The website is >> > > Huh - there it is, right on the main page. I don't know how I > missed it > before . > > Thanks! > > -- > Jim Hyslop > Hey Jim, while you're feeling sheepish, (and everyone else who's not feeling sheepish) head on over to: LRLR.org to check out the Long Reach Long Riders new and improved homepage. This year, we're adding "Behind the Scenes" to our list of worthy charities, and the secure donation links are in place and waiting. Behind The Scenes is an amazing new program by ESTA (that's esta.org!) and we hope you'll help us out as much or more than you have in the past. If you're thinking about riding with us, we'd love to have you for the entire trip, a day, or part of a day along the way. Don't forget that if you give now, you can take it off this year's taxes! Thanks for the bandwidth. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2006 ride dates July 9-18 - c'mon and join us! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20051126173352.015138d8 [at] pop.paonline.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:33:52 -0500 From: Joe Subject: Re: Finally colored bubbles..can fog be far behind? I saw the article as well. It said the dye was formulated to loose its color in about 1/2 hours. Obviously, the fog juice would have to be loaded into the fog machine shortly before use or it would loose its color. I suspect the heating process would make the dye loose its color much faster. I also wonder if the dye would leave a visible residue on everything until it faded (1/2" hour is what the article says it takes for the color to fade). Joe Dunfee joe [at] dunfee.com Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. ------------------------------ Subject: Undeliverable mail: Re: Pardon my French Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:50:57 -0500 Failed to deliver to 'stagecraft [at] theatrical.net' LIST module(list stagecraft [at] theatrical.net) reports: Your message cannot be posted. It has the content-type: multipart/alternative, and this list accepts text only Reporting-MTA: dns; prxy.net Original-Recipient: rfc822; Final-Recipient: LIST; Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Received: from internet.sarasotagov.com ([63.148.206.3] verified) by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 25720882 for stagecraft [at] theatrical.net; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:40:28 -0800 Received-SPF: none receiver=prxy.net; client-ip=63.148.206.3; envelope-from=Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com To: "Stagecraft" Subject: Re: Pardon my French MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.9a January 7, 2002 Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:56 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on IMAIL/SARACITY(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 11/26/2005 12:48:37 PM, Serialize complete at 11/26/2005 12:48:37 PM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0061104A852570C5_=" ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <23d.25e93cc.30ba48a3 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:24:19 EST Subject: Re: Rigging Certification >By the way - what does ESTA stand for? I scoured the web site and didn't >see anything. ESTA = Entertainment Services and Technology Association. This is a trade association. ETCP = Entertainment Technician Certification Program. This is a program of a separate not-for-profit foundation that ESTA setup that also has members from other associations and organizations. (Complete list on the web site.) ESET = Essential Skills for Entertainment Technicians. This is a program under the newly chartered ESTA Foundation. This is where the entry level for entertainment technical workers is being addressed. The "Behind the Scenes" program, launched at this year's ETS-LDI, is one of this Foundation's new initiatives. It is raising funds to assist people in our industry when a tragedy strikes. {no, i don't think comedies are covered.} Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051126162445.00cffc70 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:24:45 From: CB Subject: Re: "Not for Lifting" ratings on hardware >It might, then again, it might not. Once you get into court all bets are >off. Anything can, and probably will, happen. As with any court case, right and wrong don't play into it much. Money can change the world, and can definitely change a verdict. Whomever has the most (or best) lawyers will triumph. As one old judge told me, "The winner is going to be the guy that convinced those twelve people he was right while not pissing off the guy in the black dress." This is a judge who used to teach Torte Law and Trial Advocacy, and who was pretty well known for knowing what was what. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051126163135.00cffc70 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:31:35 From: CB Subject: RE: Rigging Certification >Obvious >pranksters will be summarily ignored. Quote 'em in one post, ignore 'em in the next. Fickle... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051126163928.00cffc70 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:39:28 From: CB Subject: Re: In reference to Rigging Certification. >Great list Chris... >Question though: where does the person who figures all that Log. dB. >and watts stuff fit in? That would be Sound Engineer. You know,the guy that knows the signal path and what's happening all along it at a component level? That guy. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <21b.3dcb294.30ba53f5 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:12:37 EST Subject: Re: In reference to Rigging Certification. In a message dated 26/11/05 23:46:45 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >Question though: where does the person who figures all that Log. dB. > >and watts stuff fit in? > > That would be Sound Engineer. You know,the guy that knows the signal path > and what's happening all along it at a component level? That guy. Just so, and thankful to have the trade recognised. All too often 'sound engineers' are thought of as the fader wagglers. Not that the latter don't need some skills in the field, but artistic judgement is what gets and keeps them in their jobs. I'm not knocking them. They have skills that I haven't. It's a trade I have followed for 28 years and more. I can design and build you an analogue system to do what you want, although maybe not on a commercial basis. Digital systems I am less sure of. They were only just coming in when I left the trade. But still, both microphones and loudspeakers are analogue. What lies between the two, provided that it is well engineered, is probably not terribly important. Digital recording media are a great advance, though. Despite what some die-hards post, they free you from a lot of problems. Signal-to-noise ratios, distortion, headroom all figure in the list. But I still have a Thorens turntable, and a Revox reel-to-reel machine. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:55:31 GMT Subject: Re: "Not for Lifting" ratings on hardware Message-Id: <20051126.165601.16402.20549 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> One other factor. In the US, Juror Nullification is LEGAL. A Judge is pr= ohibited from punishing a Juror for disobeying his commands, unless you = consider being sent home as 'punishment'. This was settled in England by= the William Penn case and in the United States by the John Peter Zenger= case 1735. Juries have the power, if not the right, to acquit a defenda= nt no matter what the judge's instructions to them might be, and the 'no= double jeopardy' language in the Constitution prohibits a retrial. In c= ivil cases, there is 'no double jeopardy' rule, but an appeal must be ba= sed upon a mistake in law or procedure by the judge or misconduct by leg= al counsel, not upon a 'wrong' jury verdict. I can only speak for myself= , but my decisions are NOT based upon 'what I had for breakfast', as the= saying goes. Virtually all judges try VERY hard to administer fair tria= ls, and are usually successful, but the Jury still remains 'The Conscien= ce of the Court.' /s/ Richard _______________________________ Once you get into court all bets are off. Anything can, and probably wil= l, happen. As with any court case, right and wrong don't play into it mu= ch. As one old judge told me, "The winner is going to be the guy= that convinced those twelve people he was right while not pissing off t= he guy in the black dress." = Chris "Chris" Babbie ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Gauge question Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:05:27 -0800 I was just browsing some gauges for a hydraulic ram and noticed among the glycerine filled ones are some ammonia filled ones. Anyone know why the alternate filling? I sure wouldn't want to break the glass on one indoors! I bought a glycerine filled one, only $12 including shipping for 6000 psi. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. Los Gatos, California, USA www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051127022107.97400.qmail [at] web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:21:07 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Marsland Subject: The Problem at Hand In-Reply-To: FWIW -- I believe the Broadway tour from three or four years ago used a couple of 2-ton chain motors to pick up the SL end of their ship deck. Roughly 8' deep 1' thick and 40' wide, hinged on SR. They used in the inclined position with a handrail facing to simulate the gangplank in the begining of the show, then played it flat until the sinking started. The sinking was not one long slow cue, but rather a small number of pronounced changes in position. As I am writing this, it seems quite imprecise for a large scale show, but my memory is not the best. Paul > From: Mike McElroy > Subject: The problem at hand > > Hi everyone! > > I hope y'all can help me out with this before I get > too far in over my > head. My community theatre is doing Titanic in a > few months, and I've > volunteered to do the set design. I want to install > a minor hydraulic > system to provide a visible "slanting" effect for __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <289.8b5592.30ba7c07 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:03:35 EST Subject: In reference to ....Revox FrankWood writes: >But I still have a Thorens turntable, >and a Revox reel-to-reel machine. Hard to beat a Revox reel-to-reel. I still have a model A77 I bought in 1974. It is as steady now as it was then. Handles the 10.5 inch NAB hub reels flawlessly and the sound reproduction is very clean and clear. Back then they sold it in the U.S. with a lifetime warrantee. Have only had to use it once. During a location recording job, I noticed that the reels were moving very, very fast. The manual tape timer I was using indicated that the tape was moving at a constant speed. Since it was not possible to stop the program, I just kept loading 10" reels of tape and continued recording. After the service was over, I dubbed the tapes down to another machine at normal speed before getting the Revox repaired. The recordings were perfectly steady and at roughly four times normal speed were of very high quality. It turned out that a speed regulation diode had failed and the capstan motor was running full out. Even so, it still produced a perfect recording. SteveV Orl, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:47:21 -0500 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: "Not for Lifting" ratings on hardware In-Reply-To: References:

On 11/24/05, Bill Sapsis wrote: > And lets not forget our friend the safety bolt. Common practice has > required a safety bolt for at least 10 years now. This is a bolt that ru= ns > through internal links of the chain connecting the tail side with the > standing side. It exists to back up the shackle should the shackle fail. > In my experience shackles do not break under loads applied by counterweig= ht > systems. Shackles tend to fail because the pin hasn't been safetied and = the > pins simply untwists itself and falls out. I am not a big fan of safety bolts on trim chains. While the idea of a safety bolts as described above sounds good, the reality is far too often not a good idea. More often than not, the safety bolts are too short or tightened too much and they ends up holding some, most, or all of the load. When the safety bolt holds the load, links of the chain are loaded in a way that it are not intended to be loaded, potentially damaging the chain. If the trim was rigged correctly there is not a tremendous load on the shackle to begin with, and if the pin of the shackle is properly moused, it will not come out. Mousing the pin of a shackle is a lot faster, cheaper, and easier than using a safety bolt. So why would anyone want to do something in a more expensive and more difficult way? IMHO, rigging the trim chain properly and mousing the shackle pin eliminates the need for a safety bolts entirely. Plus, when safety bolts are used they make adjusting the trim chain far more difficult and time consuming than needed. Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1059.208.51.52.49.1133066038.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:33:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile From: "Bill Nelson" > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Oh I so agree - any attempt to eject an audience member during a show at > the > Wyndhams would be hugely disruptive. However once might be an error (not > acceptible I know), but still an error - but three times for heavens sakes > I'm surprised that fellow audience members didnt take action. Where did I say anything about ejecting the person - or even doing anything during a scene? However, after the second incident, the person can be contacted during a long scene change or during the interval. Actually, for the venues where I work, I suspect that forcibly ejecting a person would be a real problem - legally. I suspect that most that could be done is refuse reentry to the auditorium at the end of intermission. Policies/contract certainly vary, depending on the venue. Our tickets have no prohibitions listed on them, so there is no contract to enforce. Has anyone here had to handle the situation of a disruptive audience member? Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43893A59.2040203 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:47:21 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > Has anyone here had to handle the situation of a disruptive audience member? Sometimes. One of the problems we wrestle with in our theatre is that it's general admission. We frequently get audience members saving seats for friends who have not yet arrived. There have been occasions where two people will be holding 8 seats. When we point out to these people that saving seats is not allowed, they frequently get quite rude and abusive. Generally, we back off, but I tell ya, I'm sometimes tempted to grab them by the scruff of the neck and shove them out the door: we are a community theatre, and nobody gets paid anything, so why should we have to put up with their s**t? Well, actually, I suppose that's not really "disruptive", is it? No, come to think of it, I can't think of any instances where audience members were disruptive. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1140.208.51.52.49.1133068683.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:18:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: "Not for Lifting" ratings on hardware From: "Bill Nelson" > One other factor. In the US, Juror Nullification is LEGAL. A Judge is > prohibited from punishing a Juror for disobeying his commands, unless you > consider being sent home as 'punishment'. This was settled in England by > the William Penn case and in the United States by the John Peter Zenger > case 1735. Juries have the power, if not the right, to acquit a defendant > no matter what the judge's instructions to them might be, and the 'no > double jeopardy' language in the Constitution prohibits a retrial. In > civil cases, there is 'no double jeopardy' rule, but an appeal must be > based upon a mistake in law or procedure by the judge or misconduct by > legal counsel, not upon a 'wrong' jury verdict. I can only speak for > myself, but my decisions are NOT based upon 'what I had for breakfast', as > the saying goes. Virtually all judges try VERY hard to administer fair > trials, and are usually successful, but the Jury still remains 'The > Conscience of the Court.' Yep. But many/all states have laws/statutes that prohibit the jury being informed of this right. There have been various "Fully Informed Jury" amendment attempts, but I don't believe any of them have been successful. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:50:28 -0500 From: Justin Ames Subject: Graduate Programs Hi, I am new here. I am a student in Production Studies in Performing Arts at Clemson University. I have been lurking for a while and have found quite a bit of really interesting stuff here (I find I learn more reading bits and pieces and filling in the big picture than I do from textbooks). I am not yet sure what I want to do yet. But my main focus is on Stage Management, then Light and Set Design. I plan on doing some work before grad school, but I want to get started searching so long. I was just wondering what good graduate programs you guys recommend. (And yes, I will probably teach somewhere in the future, so I definitely want to get my MFA). Thanks, Justin Ames ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051127065310.28353.qmail [at] web51003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:53:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Tollefson Reply-To: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com Subject: Re: Walt Disney World Audio Visual Dept In-Reply-To: Bill, if you or anyone else here wants to sign on just let me know. I just got a stack of cast referal cards and the casting office is running a promotion right now and if I get something like ten people to apply, get hired and stay with the company through some trial period, I get $1000.00. I probably wouldn't get to work with you all that often as riggers are managed by another dept and only jobbed out to me for events but I'm sure they'd welcome someone of your experience. > Where do I sign up? > > Bill S. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43896D11.6496F72D [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 03:23:45 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile References:

Bill Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Oh I so agree - any attempt to eject an audience member during a show at > > the > > Wyndhams would be hugely disruptive. However once might be an error (not > > acceptible I know), but still an error - but three times for heavens sakes > > I'm surprised that fellow audience members didnt take action. > > Where did I say anything about ejecting the person - or even doing > anything during a scene? However, after the second incident, the person > can be contacted during a long scene change or during the interval. > > Actually, for the venues where I work, I suspect that forcibly ejecting a > person would be a real problem - legally. I suspect that most that could > be done is refuse reentry to the auditorium at the end of intermission. > Policies/contract certainly vary, depending on the venue. Our tickets have > no prohibitions listed on them, so there is no contract to enforce. > > Has anyone here had to handle the situation of a disruptive audience member? > > Bill Well, the majority of the times I had a disruptive audience member, it was a legitimate medical emergency on their part, and the show stopped while we brought up the house lights and once the EMTs took them away, we made an announcement and resumed the show. The other time I dealt with a disruptive set of audience members was in a event where a retired politician was speaking. A set of hecklers started shouting a chant during the speech. speech stopped, house lights up. Head usher read them a prepared statement that they were no longer welcome in his house and the exit was that way. Waited until it was obvious they were not leaving, and then the local police came down and took them away for trespass and disturbing the peace. This was all anticipated and preplanned. I suggested that it would be better for all if they actually took them to court and prosecuted them, but the charges were quietly dismissed the next day. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43896DA1.AD2194E5 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 03:26:09 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Walt Disney World Audio Visual Dept References: Jason Tollefson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bill, if you or anyone else here wants to sign on just let me know. I just got a stack of cast > referal cards and the casting office is running a promotion right now and if I get something like > ten people to apply, get hired and stay with the company through some trial period, I get > $1000.00. I probably wouldn't get to work with you all that often as riggers are managed by > another dept and only jobbed out to me for events but I'm sure they'd welcome someone of your > experience. What's the pay? I'm not a rigger, but I am an AV person too. What's the cost of living there? --Dale ------------------------------ From: "Chris Warner" Subject: RE: Actor snaps over ringing mobile Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:31:08 -0800 Message-ID: <026e01c5f32c$ea16cac0$6401a8c0 [at] chris> In-Reply-To: Actually drunk and disorderly describes the disruptive audience members I ever had to deal with. Chris Warner > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Dale > Farmer > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:24 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Bill Nelson wrote: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Oh I so agree - any attempt to eject an audience member during a show > at > > > the > > > Wyndhams would be hugely disruptive. However once might be an error > (not > > > acceptible I know), but still an error - but three times for heavens > sakes > > > I'm surprised that fellow audience members didnt take action. > > > > Where did I say anything about ejecting the person - or even doing > > anything during a scene? However, after the second incident, the person > > can be contacted during a long scene change or during the interval. > > > > Actually, for the venues where I work, I suspect that forcibly ejecting > a > > person would be a real problem - legally. I suspect that most that could > > be done is refuse reentry to the auditorium at the end of intermission. > > Policies/contract certainly vary, depending on the venue. Our tickets > have > > no prohibitions listed on them, so there is no contract to enforce. > > > > Has anyone here had to handle the situation of a disruptive audience > member? > > > > Bill > > Well, the majority of the times I had a disruptive audience member, it > was > a legitimate medical emergency on their part, and the show stopped while > we brought up the house lights and once the EMTs took them away, we > made an announcement and resumed the show. > The other time I dealt with a disruptive set of audience members was > in a event where a retired politician was speaking. A set of hecklers > started > shouting a chant during the speech. speech stopped, house lights up. > Head > usher read them a prepared statement that they were no longer welcome in > his house and the exit was that way. Waited until it was obvious they > were > not leaving, and then the local police came down and took them away > for trespass and disturbing the peace. This was all anticipated and > preplanned. > I suggested that it would be better for all if they actually took them > to > court and prosecuted them, but the charges were quietly dismissed the > next day. > > > --Dale > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000901c5f333$b9cdef90$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:19:53 -0800 > Actually drunk and disorderly describes the disruptive audience members > I ever had to deal with. Seen that - been there... including the parents of a student of mine... The entertaining aspect of this ongoing predicament is this couple is typically concerned about the "family friendliness" of our choice of shows, as may be affected by their choice of religion. Yet this particular religion is not above the "joys of wine" -- and this has been demonstrated by the appearance of the family with hooting and hollering every time their daughter came onstage - even proffering signs that read, "A star is born." (Luckily they were located in an usher-accessible area where they were asked to 'cool it.') They would also make moral objection-driven grunts and moans every time a 'suggestive' line was delivered. The daughter onstage was mortified. It just amazes us that a family that holds us in such moral contempt comes to the school and humiliates their daughter in this way. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #600 *****************************