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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 25060424; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:01:05 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #548 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:00:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, SARE_URI_REPLICA autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #548 1. Re: Dimmer and control recommendations by "G. D. George" 2. Re: Sources for rattan by Tom Grabowski 3. Re: I know enough to be dangerous (or: dimmer/electrical problems) by "Paul Sanow" 4. Re: Sources for rattan by Jeffrey Ferrell 5. Re: Emergency Prodecures by theatre safety programs 6. Re: Legality of money on stage? by "Kevin Linzey" 7. Re: Emergency Prodecures by 8. Re: Charles Electrical problem. by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 9. Re: Platforms for a portable stage by Bob Frame 10. Re: Legality of money on stage? by Mike Brubaker 11. Re: Emergency Procedures by Bob Frame 12. Dimmer Problems by Paul Marsland 13. Portable staging by Paul Marsland 14. Re: faux food by Michael Millar 15. Gluing HDPE/UHMW Plastic by doran [at] bard.edu 16. Re: Dimmer Problems by Mike Brubaker 17. Re: I know enough to be dangerous (or: dimmer/electrical problems) by "Aaron W. Braun" 18. Re: Legality of money on stage? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 19. Re: Faux food by Mick Alderson 20. Re: Legality of money on stage? by Mike Brubaker 21. One for the pot? by "Tony Deeming" 22. Re: One for the pot? by "Waxler, Steve $waxlers$" 23. Re: One for the pot? by Steve Larson 24. I know enough to be dangerous (or: dimmer/electrical problems) by CB 25. Faux food by CB 26. Re: One for the pot? by "Tony Deeming" 27. Re: One for the pot? by "Tony Deeming" 28. Re: Legality of money on stage? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 29. Re: One for the pot? by "Frank E. Merrill" 30. Re: I know enough to be dangerous (or: dimmer/electrical problems) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. Plastic Signs by "Ken" 32. Re: One for the pot? by "Tony Deeming" 33. Re: I know enough to be dangerous (or: dimmer/electrical problems) by Scott Parker 34. Re: Fires by Dale Farmer 35. s4 36 deg lens tubes. by Richard Bakos *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: Dimmer and control recommendations Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:41:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually, there's no fault indicated as far as I can see on the front panel. The thing just doesn't work. I'm thinking that these are older than two years. I've got to dig out the purchase info as well as the manuals... Thanks! Jerry G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tony Deeming Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:26 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Dimmer and control recommendations For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of G. D. > George > Sent: 10 October 2005 15:53 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Dimmer and control recommendations > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I just added two sets (six packs, 2.4k) of the smart packs to our existing > twenty-four 1.2k ones. I'm not sure how old the existing ones > are, but they > are easy to configure from the front panel. Our old ones > appear to have a dimmer out, so after this show, I'll be in the process of > discovering how easy it is. > > That said, I like the things. They're cheaper than modular and seem to be > reliable. The one that we have out right now is the first I've heard of > going bad. If the fixing isn't too bad, I'll be right happy. > > What's the fault on the dimmer that's down? You may find it's a power cube that's gone - there was a batch that were faulty about 2 years or so ago, and we had a couple go. If this is the case, then ETC will replace the cube (serves 4 channels on a 12-pack). I'll try and dig out the circular they sent me at the time which details the suspect modules. TD ------------------------------ From: Tom Grabowski Subject: Re: Sources for rattan Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:58:55 -0500 Message-ID: <20051012085855703.00000000544 [at] TGRABOWSKI> Thanks for all the help on finding rattan. I should have been more specif= ic that the designer was looking for the round rattan not flat caning. Sev= eral of the sources that were suggested have the round stuff, but if anyone= knows any other sources other than www.bambooandrattan.com and www.vandyke= s.com. Let me know. Thanks again. -- = Tom Grabowski University of Texas-Pan American Designer Communication Department Tomgrab [at] UTPA.edu Edinburg, Texas 78541 956/381-3588 FAX 956/318-2187 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: I know enough to be dangerous (or: dimmer/electrical problems) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:19:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Paul Sanow" > three "bad" circuits to work. I seem to remember someone=20 > telling me that=20 > using a voltmeter to measure voltage on a dimmable circuit is=20 > pointless. =20 > (Is this true?) It is mostly pointless when there is no load on the circuit. Plug in a = load via 2fer and use your meter on the other open side of the 2fer. = Now you will get useful readings of voltage on a dimmer. A dimmer with = no load will usually have enough leakage current to read as much as = 110VAC+ when no load is present. Put a small load on it, and it will = shut back down to zero. One trick I used in my field service days is to yank a bunch of dimmers = out of the rack to access the lugs where the suspect circuit land. I = highly recommend you turn OFF THE MAIN POWER TO THE RACK, then double = check that power is off. Make sure there is a known good load (light) = on the circuit. Use the continuity check feature on your meter and read = between the Neutral buss bar and the (hot) load circuit lug at the = module space. Assuming a good lamp you should have continuity if the = circuit is complete. I've found that little trick will very quickly = help me identify a contractor wiring problem vs a rack / programming = issue.=20 Since your problem is the dead center circuit in every connector strip I = like the worklight theory. I wonder if the circuit ID tag on the strip = matches where it's really wired. I wonder if it matches the tag in the = connector strip J-Box, Gridiron Junction Box, etc.... More than once = I've seen something wired differently than intended or even labeled. = This is too consistent to be a coincidence. Good Luck Paul *********************************************************** Paul Sanow psanow [at] vls.com Technical Sales www.vincentlighting.com Vincent Lighting Systems 1420 Jamike Ln. #2 Erlanger, KY 41018 (859) 525-2000 x211 FAX (859) 525-2050 *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Message-ID: <434D2115.5070405 [at] midmaine.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:43:33 -0400 From: Jeffrey Ferrell Subject: Re: Sources for rattan References: In-Reply-To: Folks in the Society for Creative Anachronism (a medieval recreation group) use rattan for their combat. There are bound to be folks in your area are involved in the SCA. They would be able to tell you where the best and closest suppliers are. (and if you are only needing a few pieces, they probably have extra in their basement they may part with) Go to sca.org, and there is a page to search for your local group. I have ordered from HH Perkins in Conn, in the past, http://www.hhperkins.com/. They've always been good. But if you only need a few staves, shipping on 10' long stock is as much as the pieces themselves. Jeff Ferrell (who really enjoys hitting his friends with sticks) Tom Grabowski wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for all the help on finding rattan. I should have been more specific that the designer was looking for the round rattan not flat caning. Several of the sources that were suggested have the round stuff, but if anyone knows any other sources other than www.bambooandrattan.com and www.vandykes.com. Let me know. Thanks again. > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051012074942.02104f10 [at] mail.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:53:35 -0700 From: theatre safety programs Subject: Re: Emergency Prodecures For those of you who are interested, I wrote an article on this topic which appeared in the June/July 2001 Stage Directions. If you would like a copy, please e-mail me off list with your fax number -- I will be happy to fax it to you My general request is to know if anyone has any documents (or a source) that covers procedures for medical situations, fires and other emergencies in the Theatre? I have general ideas of what should happen/what I want to happen, I just thought it would be nice to check those against what the standards are/everyone else is doing. Jerry Gorrell Technical Director, Phoenix Stages, City of Phoenix Principal, Theatre Safety Programs ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Linzey" Subject: RE: Legality of money on stage? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:03:41 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01c5cf3e$21fc1de0$d901a8c0 [at] nemetschek.net> In-Reply-To: Steve, I don't know if the rules of the US treasury apply to Confederate Currency, but I think this applies to all valid US currency. So I follow their guidelines just to be safe, plus from the stage the larger bills look better. http://www.moneyfactory.gov/document.cfm/18/117 Reproduction of Currency Authority: 18 UNITED STATES CODE; 504: Treasury Directive Number 15-56 FR 48539 (September 15,1993) 411.1 Color illustrations authorized. (a) Notwithstanding any provision of chapter 25 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code, authority is hereby given for the printing, publishing or importation, or the making or importation of the necessary plates or items for such printing or publication, of color illustrations of U.S. currency provided that: 1. The illustration must be of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of any matter so illustrated; 2. The illustration must be one sided; and 3. All negatives, plates, digitized storage medium, graphic files, magnetic medium, optical storage devices, and any other thing used in the making of the illustration that contain an image of the illustration or any part thereof shall be destroyed and or deleted or erased after their final use in accordance with this section. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf > Of StevevETTrn [at] aol.com > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:06 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Legality of money on stage? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > For an historical drama, what about making copies of > Confederate Currency? > Any problems with that? > > SteveV > Orl,FL > > > ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > This was never true. I am not an employee of the Secret > Service, but I have great deal of confidence in my source of > Dept of Treasury info. > /s/ Richard > _____________________________ > according to Karl C. Bruder's The Theatre Student: > Properties and Dressing the Stage (copyright 1969)"It is > unlawful to use real money > onstage."(p112) Is this still true? > Ryan J. Zirngibl > ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Emergency Prodecures Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:21:30 -0400 Message-Id: <20051012152130.JNVZ22881.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net [at] mail.bellsouth.net> Check with local fire/rescue, teaching hospital, red cross or other civil defence orgs. Your local fire/ rescue will have the most control over your plans, they can be your best friend or your worst thoughts come true. In most citys the fire department is the one agency that can shut down anytime they want to, so always work with them no matter how hard it is. > From: theatre safety programs > Date: 2005/10/12 Wed AM 10:53:35 EDT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Emergency Prodecures > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > For those of you who are interested, I wrote an article on this topic > which appeared in the June/July 2001 Stage Directions. If you would > like a copy, please e-mail me off list with your fax number -- I will > be happy to fax it to you > > > My general request is to know if anyone has any documents (or a source) > that covers procedures for medical situations, fires and other > emergencies in the Theatre? I have general ideas of what should > happen/what I want to happen, I just thought it would be nice to check > those against what the standards are/everyone else is doing. > > > Jerry Gorrell > Technical Director, Phoenix Stages, City of Phoenix > Principal, Theatre Safety Programs > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E602038DCC [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: RE: Charles Electrical problem. Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:28:22 -0700 Hi Charles: Good luck with this. I recently had the university electricians track down a circuit that was no longer working (but which I know was working). After 17 hours (!) he worked his way back to the neutral bar of the dimmer rack, and discovered that the neutral for the circuit had come loose. They had worked their way back from the circuit, through a few Junction boxes, up the multi-cable, through more junction boxes, and into the rack. I think your best bet is to make sure that the dimmer slots have the load wire (to the batten) attached; follow those wire through each junction box. There will be a break somewhere. A nice little project to keep you busy for a few days. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2FDDC3C2F5B5F4499C096779EF5493B902CE415C [at] EXCHANGE_NT.cayuga-cc.edu> From: Bob Frame Subject: Re: Platforms for a portable stage Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:49:24 -0400 Personally I like SICO mobile units, or should I say I have and use them. I can easily move and set them up by my self unlike the Wenger staging we also have http://www.sicoinc.com/mobile_folding_stages.php Bob Robert M. Frame, Coordinator of Theatre Operations Cayuga Community College 197 Franklin St. Auburn, NY 13021-3099 (Voice): 315-255-1743 ext. 2340 (Fax): 315-255-2117 (E-mail): Framer [at] Cayuga-cc.edu If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. Frank E. Merrill wrote: > > Howdy! > > O wise oracles I beseech thee! > > A customer has inquired concerning upper-middle-quality platforms to > construct a 16' x 20' "stage" in a shopping mall. Kindly endorse > your favorites for me, please. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051012104419.01cc8a60 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:46:34 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Legality of money on stage? In-Reply-To: References:

There is no "Confederate States of America". Therefore, legally, there is NO Confederate currency. There are pieces of paper that were issued by the CSA--but since the end of the CSA, they are just pieces of paper. US Treasury guidlines only apply to valid UNITED STATES currency. Mike At 10:03 AM 10/12/2005, Kevin Linzey wrote: >I don't know if the rules of the US treasury apply to Confederate Currency, >but I think this applies to all valid US currency. So I follow their >guidelines just to be safe, plus from the stage the larger bills look >better. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2FDDC3C2F5B5F4499C096779EF5493B902CE415D [at] EXCHANGE_NT.cayuga-cc.edu> From: Bob Frame Subject: re: Emergency Procedures Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:07:02 -0400 wow twice in one day- haven't done that in awhile! but I digress I created my own for the space here- mostly common sense items- even to the degree of stating things like "Call 911 First" and "Audience Safety is of Paramount importance". My suggestion is to create a rough outline of the document and then share with various authorities i.e.: House manager, TD, Local Fire official, EMTs, law enforcement, Board of Directors, etc. I doubt that there is any document available that fits your specific site/situation. Like where does the "company" meet to count heads to ensure a full evacuation. But with your managerial experience and the input of "experts" you should be able to create a good working document- Oh, keep the instructions simple- you're creating a guideline not a novel. I have my document (1 1/2 pages) laminated and posted in appropriate areas. plus it has been approved by Campus Security and is included in the official Policy handbook for the College- Including the line: "In case of nuclear catastrophe, Kiss your Ass Goodbye" Contact me off list if you would like to see an e-copy of my "emergency procedures" Bob Robert M. Frame, Coordinator of Theatre Operations Cayuga Community College 197 Franklin St. Auburn, NY 13021-3099 (Voice): 315-255-1743 ext. 2340 (Fax): 315-255-2117 (E-mail): Framer [at] Cayuga-cc.edu If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. >Subject: Emergency Procedures >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:39:55 -0400 >Message-ID: <8045B56E582D944783E6ECC0B67A8ECAE24CE6 [at] exch2.elmira.edu> > >The recent discussion about the proper use of fire curtains, etc. got me >to wondering exactly what procedures for emergencies were written down >and followed here. Imagine my surprise when I found nothing concrete to >really go off of . . . add that to some of the theatre students asking >me today what the purpose of the smoke door is . . .=20 >=20 >My general request is to know if anyone has any documents (or a source) >that covers procedures for medical situations, fires and other >emergencies in the Theatre? I have general ideas of what should >happen/what I want to happen, I just thought it would be nice to check >those against what the standards are/everyone else is doing. >=20 >Help would be appreciated. Off list emails would be perfectly fine. > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051012161941.46637.qmail [at] web52211.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Dimmer Problems In-Reply-To: > From: "Charles J Korecki" > Subject: I know enough to be dangerous (or: > dimmer/electrical problems) > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:30:14 -0400 > > I apologize if this post is long. I would really > appreciate any insight > anyone can provide. TIA! > > I volunteer at a local community theater. Several > years ago they financed a > major upgrade in their lighting inventory and > dimming cababilities. It now > appears that one circuit (in the middle) of each of > their three main > electrical pipes above the stage does not work. I > am guessing these > particular three circuits never worked. Each pipe Along with these many other fine suggestions, check the control module in the dimmer rack. Your goal would be to ask the rack about the dimmer(s) in question. On my CEM's, the sequence is [About][Dimmer](dimmer number in question) [Enter]. Then scroll arrow right to get info about many settings that can be applied to a dimmer. The Sensor CEM user manual (avaiable at etcconnect.com if you don't find a hard copy) will coach you through that myriad of settings. You may have CEM+ control modules or have everything run through a large Unison dimmer rack with the Unison CME in charge, either of which will entail a different approach, but the end result should be the same. Things you might find at the control module; * the dimmer is set for a boost level of zero (meaning no output no matter what); * the dimmer is assigned as a panic or worklight dimmer that should be further controlled by a Unison control station, and not addressable by your Expression; * the dimmer is mistakenly set as something other than the standard D20 or D20E that it should be (like a non-dim or fluorescent) The tech service folks at the ETC factory (800-688-4116) are always very nice and helpful and can put you in touch with the system person who actually configured and commisioned your system. If it wasn't too long ago, they may have insight for you. Paul __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051012162941.73889.qmail [at] web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:29:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Portable staging In-Reply-To: > > A customer has inquired concerning > upper-middle-quality platforms to > construct a 16' x 20' "stage" in a shopping mall. > Kindly endorse > your favorites for me, please. > > Best regards, > Frank E. Merrill > MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT A staple in these parts is Biljax 4x4's. Nice and modular, variable leg heights. Maybe a bit more labor intensive than your client may be looking for. Paul __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <434D3B81.2030102 [at] ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:36:17 -0700 From: Michael Millar Subject: Re: faux food References: In-Reply-To: For two weeks, rental may be the way to go. I've had great experience with the following: http://www.historyforhire.com/ but on searching Debbies Book online http://debbiesbook.com/browse.html I found http://www.faxfoods.com/replica_foods/common_breads.html#COMMON and http://www.lcwprops.com/php/catalog.php?mode=browse&categoryID=97 as good possibilities. I've done the dried out, laquered bread trick. Depending upon what kind of bread you want, buying day-old and using it for a couple of days, leaving it in a bread box to dry so it doesn't mold readily and is protected from critters, then replacing it every few days might be cheaper than the whole process of laquering, manufacturing, buying props or renting. HTH, Michael Millar ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1129135315.434d3cd339b70 [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:41:55 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Gluing HDPE/UHMW Plastic References: In-Reply-To: Hey, all, Recently, someone here asked about gluing UHMW or HDPE. There's a brief discussion this week in the Woodworker's Journal E-zine, at the address below. http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/ezine/webreview.cfm Good luck, Andy Champ-Doran ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051012113859.01d04c20 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:42:56 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Dimmer Problems In-Reply-To: References:

Interesting...there was a similar problem with one circuit at our local civic theatre. A circuit that never seemed to work. The connections were fine at the receptacle, but no juice (metered). The connection at the top of the rack was fine, still no juice. Turns out that the load wire was terminated in the block at the back of the dimmer with its jacket still on. Stripped the wire, relanded it, tightened everything down. JUICE!! You could not see it, but it was the only thing left short of a control/program issue in the rack. All of the other connections were good and the dimmer was fine. Mike At 11:19 AM 10/12/2005, Charles J Korecki wrote: > > appears that one circuit (in the middle) of each of > > their three main > > electrical pipes above the stage does not work. I > > am guessing these > > particular three circuits never worked. Each pipe ------------------------------ From: "Aaron W. Braun" Subject: Re: I know enough to be dangerous (or: dimmer/electrical problems) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:50:10 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Charles, Since you have the Unison dimmer racks, there are a few things to check. First, turn off the breakers and pull out a dimmer module for the non-working dimmer and make sure that wires are landed in both lugs behind it. Next, put the module back in and turn the breakers on. At the control module, use the test mode to bring all dimmers to full. This will bypass and control issues that may exist in the Unison configuration or console patch. You can test circuits with a multimeter, but you don't get an accurate reading unless their is a load attached. I usually use a twofer with a fixture attached to one output and the meter to the other. This eliminates the ghost voltage that an SCR produces without a load. Make sure that you test hot to neutral, hot to ground, and neutral to ground. It is always possible that something got wired incorrectly. If you get power at the circuit with the rack in test mode, the rack may have the wrong module type assigned to that slot, or more likely, the Unison configuration file doesn't have the console's incoming DMX value patched to that circuit. If you don't get power at the circuit, start working backwards. Check the terminal block inside the connector strip at the end where the power enters it. If you don't see power at the terminal here, their is a wiring issue between the dimmers and the connector strip. If you get power at the terminal block, their is a bad connection in the connector strip. Their are two typical causes for this. First, the strip may have pinched a wire to that circuit when the electricians unfolded an assembled it. Second, some manufacturers use some "interesting" splicing devices to connect to the circuits. One of these splices is probably bad. Good luck in troubleshooting this. If you don't have a good understanding of electrical safety protocols, have someone qualified try these steps. If you need help with the dimmer rack test procedure, or if it ends up that the Unison configuration needs to be fixed, call ETC technical services at 1-800-688-4116. They will be happy to assist you. Sincerely, Aaron Braun Ardee Design Group, LLC Nashville, TN -----Original Message----- From: "Charles J Korecki" Subject: Re: I know enough to be dangerous (or: dimmer/electrical problems) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:41:11 -0400 thanks for all the reponses so far. the theater uses ETC unison dimmers and an ETC Expression board. I checked the patch in the board--everything is correctly patched and at 100%. the theater does have control stations at various points so that you can remotely turn on preprogrammed settings. we've tried all of these settings and none of them seem to control the circuits in question. could not find a hidden patch bay or a hidden switch for worklights. considering the cricuits in question all sit in the middle of the three main electrics, the worklight theory does seem plausible--i just can't figure out how to activate them. or the person who wired it all up originally had a bias against lights in the middle? charles ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:19:36 GMT Subject: Re: Legality of money on stage? Message-Id: <20051012.122006.2534.6630 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Some of the currency used during the Civil War was issued by private banks which may still be in existence. Do you want to trade the crime of Counterfeiting for the crime of Forgery? Forging Banknotes is still a crime almost everywhere. Example: Cal. Penal Code Section 476. /s/ Richard There is no "Confederate States of America". Therefore, legally, there is NO Confederate currency. There are pieces of paper that were issued by the CSA--but since the end of the CSA, they are just pieces of paper. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:41:50 -0500 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: Faux food Message-id: Pat Kight wrote: > You can try giving a loaf of extremely stale bread a thorough coating > of > clear acrylic medium or some other sealant. But in my experience, real > food rarely looks as good on stage as fake food. If the bread isn't > thoroughly dry, it may mold under the sealant, and if the coating > cracks, you'll get insects. > I like using several coats of Flexglue for this. Water down the first layer and apply liberally so it soaks way in. When this is dry, I apply a coat or two of glue as it comes from the jug. The glue layer is pretty thick this way, and both flexible and durable, so "casual" cracking doesn't seem to happen. If there is mold in there, it is sealed way inside and doesn't show on the outside, although I've never been brave enough to cut one open! :-). I had a loaf of "Italian bread" that was treated that way for an opera, and six years later (when I left for another job) it has been used in a couple of shows, was still in good shape, and didn't sound like a hunk of styrofoam when an actor dropped it. (And it didn't crack.) Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wisconsin Oshkosh alderson [at] uwosh.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051012145237.04002608 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:57:54 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Legality of money on stage? In-Reply-To: References: Richard, Now you've piqued my curiosity. Would any of those private banks (or their successors) actually honor currency that they issued in the 1860s? How would the bank verify that it was authentic (and not a 145-year-old forgery)? Would someone who presented a note for payment (presumably in silver or gold) be paid in hard currency, since it is not used as a currency in this country? If not, how would such a note be honored? If you (presumably unknowingly) presented that 145 year old forgery, would you be prosecuted? Mike At 02:19 PM 10/12/2005, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: >Some of the currency used during the Civil War was issued by private >banks which may still be in existence. Do you want to trade the >crime of Counterfeiting for the crime of Forgery? Forging Banknotes >is still a crime almost everywhere. Example: Cal. Penal Code Section 476. >/s/ Richard ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: One for the pot? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:29:44 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Challenge here for the props makers.... I need ideas on how best to construct a cannibals cooking pot (cauldron shaped) for panto in January. It needs to be big enough to hold 3 men, though not necessarily side by side, so we're probably talking around 4 ft wide at the extreme. Obviously needs to be strong enough to take their weight, as well as stable. Access is probably going to have to be a hatchway in the middle of the back, cos we want to keep the rim intact. (imagine the gag as they 'escape'.... "How do we get out of here?" "Look the cauldron's got a leak!" "No it hasn't - that's an onion .....!") We've considered chicken wire & canvas, fibre glass, 'adjusting' the bulb of a septic tank, and one or two other ideas, but have yet to conclude the best way to achieve it. Thoughts, guys? Or does anyone HAVE a 4 ft cauldron in the props shed?? Cheers TD ------------------------------ Subject: RE: One for the pot? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:35:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve $waxlers$" Think about memory foam with an aluminum armature. The foam can be flat patterned and edge glued together. Did something like this for an opera called "The Love of Three Oranges" and the oranges "grew" from small size to the final three with a princess inside each of them. =20 Steve Waxler=20 Technical Director=20 College Conservatory of Music=20 University of Cincinnati=20 waxlers [at] uc.edu http://www.ccm.uc.edu/tdp/=20 513 556-3709 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tony Deeming Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:30 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: One for the pot? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Challenge here for the props makers.... I need ideas on how best to construct a cannibals cooking pot (cauldron shaped) for panto in January. It needs to be big enough to hold 3 men, though not necessarily side by side, so we're probably talking around 4 ft wide at the extreme. Obviously needs to be strong enough to take their weight, as well as stable. Access is probably going to have to be a hatchway in the middle of the back, cos we want to keep the rim intact. (imagine the gag as they 'escape'.... "How do we get out of here?" "Look the cauldron's got a leak!" "No it hasn't - that's an onion .....!") We've considered chicken wire & canvas, fibre glass, 'adjusting' the bulb of a septic tank, and one or two other ideas, but have yet to conclude the best way to achieve it. Thoughts, guys? Or does anyone HAVE a 4 ft cauldron in the props shed?? Cheers TD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:40:57 -0400 Subject: Re: One for the pot? From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I know I'm working too hard when I read the first line of the post like this- "I need ideas on how best to construct a cannabis cooking pot". Is it Friday yet? Steve > From: "Tony Deeming" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Challenge here for the props makers.... > > I need ideas on how best to construct a cannibals cooking pot (cauldron > shaped) for panto in January. It needs to be big enough to hold 3 men, > though not necessarily side by side, so we're probably talking around 4 ft ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051012133701.00d02158 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:37:01 From: CB Subject: I know enough to be dangerous (or: dimmer/electrical problems) >Anyone have any good suggestions for tracking down the break without >physically taking apart every junction box, etc? My best suggestion is to find someone that knows electrical systems, preferably those used in the theatrical world, and give them enough money to solve your problem. This *is* going to be the easiest, least painful, fastest, and least dangerous method of problem resolution available to you. The next nearest to that in expense and safety, but far behind in immediacy, is to have the "electrically challenged" removed from your sig. This operation will take time, and some money, but will eventually solve this and many other electrical proiblems. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051012134235.00d02158 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:42:35 From: CB Subject: Faux food >I am looking for advice on where to buy some fake meat. (ham, roast, >etc.) some pies, and how to "preserve" some bread that will last a >couple of weeks. First make sure that your budget for food-like props is smaller than your budget for stagehand snax. You *could* buy new food every show fairly inexpensively, and have the crew dispose of it properly on breaks. Get a ham and a loaf of bread, some fruits and veggies, and a block of cheese, and have flat-meat and salad after shows! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: One for the pot? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:09:56 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: ROTFLMFAO!!! Nah - Friday's in the pot first! 8-))))))))))))) > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Steve > Larson > Sent: 12 October 2005 21:41 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: One for the pot? > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I know I'm working too hard when I read the first > line of the post like this- > > "I need ideas on how best to construct a cannabis cooking pot". > > Is it Friday yet? > > Steve > > > From: "Tony Deeming" > > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > > Challenge here for the props makers.... > > > > > I need ideas on how best to construct a cannibals cooking pot (cauldron > > shaped) for panto in January. It needs to be big enough to hold 3 men, > > though not necessarily side by side, so we're probably talking > around 4 ft > > ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: One for the pot? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:10:19 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Memory foam?? Details, please. TD > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Waxler, > Steve (waxlers) > Sent: 12 October 2005 21:35 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: One for the pot? > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Think about memory foam with an aluminum armature. The foam can be flat > patterned and edge glued together. Did something like this for an opera > called "The Love of Three Oranges" and the oranges "grew" from small > size to the final three with a princess inside each of them. > > Steve Waxler > Technical Director > College Conservatory of Music > University of Cincinnati > waxlers [at] uc.edu > http://www.ccm.uc.edu/tdp/ > 513 556-3709 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tony > Deeming > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:30 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: One for the pot? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Challenge here for the props makers.... > > I need ideas on how best to construct a cannibals cooking pot (cauldron > shaped) for panto in January. It needs to be big enough to hold 3 men, > though not necessarily side by side, so we're probably talking around 4 > ft > wide at the extreme. Obviously needs to be strong enough to take their > weight, as well as stable. Access is probably going to have to be a > hatchway > in the middle of the back, cos we want to keep the rim intact. (imagine > the > gag as they 'escape'.... "How do we get out of here?" "Look the > cauldron's > got a leak!" "No it hasn't - that's an onion .....!") > > We've considered chicken wire & canvas, fibre glass, 'adjusting' the > bulb of > a septic tank, and one or two other ideas, but have yet to conclude the > best > way to achieve it. > > Thoughts, guys? > > Or does anyone HAVE a 4 ft cauldron in the props shed?? > > Cheers > TD > > > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:27:46 GMT Subject: Re: Legality of money on stage? Message-Id: <20051012.142805.17789.7015 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Dear Mike, Yes, you could be prosecuted, but that is astronomically unlikely because you did not have the intent to defraud, which is an element of the crime. The individual bank officer who accepted the bill would most probably pay you face value, then either sell the banknote on eBay for a 100+ times what he paid you and pocket the difference or display it on his or her wall even if it was a 145 year old forgery. /s/ Richard _______________________ Richard, Now you've piqued my curiosity. Would any of those private banks (or their successors) actually honor currency that they issued in the 1860s? How would the bank verify that it was authentic (and not a 145-year-old forgery)? Would someone who presented a note for payment (presumably in silver or gold) be paid in hard currency, since it is not used as a currency in this country? If not, how would such a note be honored? If you (presumably unknowingly) presented that 145 year old forgery, would you be prosecuted? Mike At 02:19 PM 10/12/2005, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: >Some of the currency used during the Civil War was issued by private >banks which may still be in existence. Do you want to trade the >crime of Counterfeiting for the crime of Forgery? Forging Banknotes >is still a crime almost everywhere. Example: Cal. Penal Code Section 476. >/s/ Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:37:14 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1601713756.20051012163714 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: One for the pot? In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Wednesday, October 12, 2005, Tony Deeming wrote: > Or does anyone HAVE a 4 ft cauldron in the props shed? Be still, my heart! FORTUNATELY: I've had a cauldron in my rental stock for about 20 years, that needs about 18 more rentals to pay for itself. Sticks in my mind I bought it from a fellow in Lousiville, Kentucky that specializes in forming stuff out of fiberglass UNFORTUNATELY: It is about 30" diameter and 26" high FORTUNATELY: Tony's inquiry might stimulate a rental to a show of lasser grandeur UNFORTUNATELY: That customer will probably be a Brazillion miles from here. FORTUNATELY: FedEx picks up here and delivers there. UNFORTUNATELY: The cost of all that will exceed the budget FORTUNATELY: It comes in handy for storing rolls of architectural drawings. and FORTUNATELY: I'm out of ideas for continuing this silly thread! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.60 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <13f.1db20f37.307edda2 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:44:02 EDT Subject: Re: I know enough to be dangerous (or: dimmer/electrical problems) In a message dated 12/10/05 21:47:50 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >Anyone have any good suggestions for tracking down the break without > >physically taking apart every junction box, etc? The telephone companies use cable tracers. This is a two-part gadget. One piece sends a high level 1KHz tone, and the other listens for it with a pair of headphones and an induction loop receiver. Having thoroughly disconnected all the mains, feed it in at one end of the system, and go around listening, along all the cable runs. When the signal stops, there is your problem. Having disconnected all the terminal equipment, you could use it to trace out DMX lines, too. You might find some you didn't know you had. That said, and given where the outlets are, my bet is that if you start at the outlets, you will find the wires run to a dead-end junction box, provided for some facility that has never been installed. Probably working lights, since, with us, it is not allowed that panic lights share their cable paths with any other service. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Ken" Subject: Plastic Signs Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:37:09 -0500 In-reply-to: Message-ID: I am replacing the face of a 4 foot x 24 foot outdoor sign. My thought was to use 4 4x8 sheets of 3/16 polycarb white and seam it together with regular vinyl letters. Any suggestions or has anyone else tried this? I am being quoted $148 for a 52x100" sheet of polycarb is that a good price? Ken Holyoak St. Luke's UMC ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Subject: RE: One for the pot? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:20:17 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: And, of course, even if it were big enough (which UNFORTUNATELY you're right it's not) then UNFORTUNATELY I in fact AM a gazzillion miles away in dear ol' Blighty! 8-)) > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Frank E. > Merrill > Sent: 12 October 2005 22:37 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: One for the pot? > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy ! > > Wednesday, October 12, 2005, Tony Deeming wrote: > > > Or does anyone HAVE a 4 ft cauldron in the props shed? > > Be still, my heart! > > FORTUNATELY: > I've had a cauldron in my rental stock for about 20 years, that needs > about 18 more rentals to pay for itself. Sticks in my mind I bought > it from a fellow in Lousiville, Kentucky that specializes in forming > stuff out of fiberglass > > UNFORTUNATELY: > It is about 30" diameter and 26" high > > FORTUNATELY: > Tony's inquiry might stimulate a rental to a show of lasser grandeur > > UNFORTUNATELY: > That customer will probably be a Brazillion miles from here. > > FORTUNATELY: > FedEx picks up here and delivers there. > > UNFORTUNATELY: > The cost of all that will exceed the budget > > FORTUNATELY: > It comes in handy for storing rolls of architectural drawings. > > and > > FORTUNATELY: > I'm out of ideas for continuing this silly thread! > > Best regards, > Frank E. Merrill > MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT > Indianapolis > Established 1946 > www.merrillstage.com > > Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.60 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980510111929g1f16402dq59d5c0d17d278928 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:29:33 -0400 From: Scott Parker Subject: Re: I know enough to be dangerous (or: dimmer/electrical problems) In-Reply-To: References:

Say, how many circuits are supposed to be on the electric? You say one circuit is bad on each. You wouldn't have an odd number of plugs, would you? I'm sticking to my, and now Steve's head, theory of a missing pair of wires= ... On 10/11/05, Steve Larson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > My head tells me that I should have said, > "they aren't wired". > > Steve > -- Take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <434DDA31.9F3404AA [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:53:21 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Fires References:

Loren Schreiber wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Having fought mock fires (with real flames!) in close spaces, courtesy of > the US Navy, I can tell you that there is nothing quite as exciting as a > brass nozzle at the end of a high-pressure hose when it has escaped its > operator. Most people who have not handled a fire hose will not anticipate > the writhing, twisting power of the hose as it charges. Imagine a five > pound nozzle at the end of fifty feet of 1-1/2" hose at 100+ PSI. Oh! The > places it will go! I got quite a bit of fire fighting training when I was in the navy as well. We don't have a fire department when out at sea, we are the fire department. I was trained to deal with nearly anything, from a screaming alpha to a crashed aircraft with live weapons on it. I'd be much happier to have the hoses available to me, but I also recognize that a charged fire hose is not only good for putting out fires, but is a dangerous tool if not properly controlled. Having had the unpleasant experience of being on a hose that burst, I am far too familiar with the dangers they pose. Every person on the staff ought to have annual fire extinguisher training, which includes using the extinguishers to actually put out fires. this is a basic level of training everyone ought to have. Next level of training is use of hoses, how to use them on various kinds of fires. Smoke and heat control, ventilation, and recognizing just how quickly a small fire can turn into a huge fire. Procedure for anyone upon seeing a fire. 1. Sound the alarm. 2. Decide if you can fight the fire or just evacuate now. 3. Ensure that the alarm has been sounded. 4. Take measures to reduce fire spread. ( close doors, fire curtains, sprinklers, etc. ) 5. Fight the fire and see that anyone who needs help to evacuate gets it. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <434DDB04.5010501 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:56:52 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: s4 36 deg lens tubes. I have two dozen source 4 36 deg lens tubes that need to have the lenses cleaned. Ok I am Lazy and do not want to disassemble all of them to clean them. Has any one cleaned them ala dish washing machine type cleaning. I would think there is a cleaning liquid that I could dip clean the entire assembly in then blow them out. Has anyone tried this in the past that could weigh in on this matter? Rick -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #548 *****************************